The first method was very effective in reducing deaths
The second hasn't worked. People in nursing home, not palliative
have been locked down and are still dying?
Compare Oz to sweeden.
One used a system you say didn't work, one used the system you are advocating for. Who has lower deaths?
Economically as well sweeden is worse off.
As for the ICU thing. That's is still the goal. You said a few pages back it wasnt an issue and said you would get back to us but never did? Seems you do that with a lot of things that don't fit to your conspiracy logic..
Did you hear the Vic medical team yesterday on iICU capacity? Was intereting to hear them discuss the risks and issues they face.
The first method has not run its course, this if far from over SP. The country is still in lockdown & people in nursing homes are dieing just as they allways have...like I said the other day, it doesn't take much to tip the balance when your elderly. If not C19, the seasonal flu can be game over. Meanwhile the response has other long term side effects which are far worse than the virus itself.
I will look at Sweden today (later) & get back to you.
ICU I don't recall, if you havn't noticed I've responded too a lot of stuff here. Was it about the total number of people in ICU across Australia or that the overwhelming majority of people don't need a hospital to recover from C19 yet alone ICU.
Victoria, no way do I wanna hear another word out of Andrews mouth yet alone an hr long press conference of him pushing the fear narrative.
There have been just as many if not more points I've made to you guys that you have overlooked & driven the discussion in another direction and I'd say I have probably addressed a lot of things in a way that was simply not the reply you wanted.
Bhahahahaha the country is still in lockdown ...now who's the drama queen.
1 state is. Next ,your mates are the biggest spreaders of covid 19 the group that don't care for others only think about their life their freedom their party life or It's only a cold blah blah blah, oh let's not forget the major issues in life ATM like 5G Pokamon go BLM and loving job keeper. ****n sooks.
lol , I'm 48yo in West Oz, getting my vitals checked on entry too my job multiple times a week & your guess at my key interests couldn't be further from the truth.
Don't worry M8 it's only scaremongering by the extremist you don't need testing it's only a flu. I got that advice from your YouTube video cheers.
Lots of smiles down town today all shops are in full swing people doing the right thing waiting in line social distancing. caravan parks Full as a goog workers in the building trade are flat out cruising boats are out whale watching and tourists are heading out to great Keppel island .life's great in sunny QLD.
No smiles down town today all shops are fully shut people doing the wrong thing waiting for coffee without social distancing. caravan parks a Dim memory workers in the building trade are trying to sneak to work cruising boats are banned from going on the water and tourists are caught and trapped and imprisoned. Life is **** in miserable Melbourne
Welllllll after your Vic leader gutlessed out of shutting down the BLM rally "white guys stirring sh!t""with infection not under control I can't understand why
don't worry QLD isn't free of stupidity we had Clive Palmer and Pauline Hanson trying to take QLD government to court to open borders early if it wasn't by the stance of QLD government we'd be in the same boat as you.
stay safe Nozza do the right thing and you'll be right.
Failed to mention there basically is no flu Because of the practices in play. Yet covid 19 still Sits in the community waiting for some **** to infect others. Next ![]()
So here's a thought....
If 20-40 yr olds are the largest numbers of cases would they also be the biggest spreaders?
& Hence on the most in need of controls to stop them spreading it to the vulnerable?
NSW is an example. Our current cases all but 7 can be traced to a known source. And were spread through community transmission till we had a death.
Lockdown / mask etc aren't to protect the young and healthy they are to protect more vulnerable members of a society.
A society is defined as a group of people working towards a common good. In this case protecting the lives of the vulnerable and at risk.
The response to C19 was too "flatten the curve" so our hospital system was not over loaded.
This boils it down to your possible opinion vs mine in regard to the response.
Option 1) lock everyone down, which has not been effective coz its going on far too long. How long can we maintain the lockdown before many other issues pile up which are worse than the virus itself. We can expand on this if you like.
Option 2)Just lock down those that are at risk & educate our elderly on effective PPE as well as putting protocols in place to assist their safety. Like for example Woolies opening an hour earlier so they can shop or those assisting them can shop with less contact with others within the community.
I'm up to talk about your two options.
option 1
that you claim hasn't been effective.. has worked, Every state bar Victoria worked.
Vic failed to carry it out and folded under the pressure of your brethren.
option 2 that you seem In favour of has flaws.
like the fact your brethren believe they are beyond rules restrictions and loss of freedoms. they range from people that
breach lockdowns to spread c19..
marching The streets for what ever cause, you even posted one of those rally's videos complaining about their treatment from police.
health workers in the facilities you say need lockdown Sneak into work feeling sick and say nothing.
Quarantine breaches that are in there 100s.
and We've ALL seen how your woolies idea Will fail ....with freedom fighters staging their own Videos Showing they won't wear masks in grocery stores or Bunnings are even hiding in car boots and telling police they don't need to tell them their name.
its a ****n circus out there
Failed to mention there basically is no flu Because of the practices in play. Yet covid 19 still Sits in the community waiting for some **** to infect others. Next ![]()
So here's a thought....
If 20-40 yr olds are the largest numbers of cases would they also be the biggest spreaders?
& Hence on the most in need of controls to stop them spreading it to the vulnerable?
NSW is an example. Our current cases all but 7 can be traced to a known source. And were spread through community transmission till we had a death.
Lockdown / mask etc aren't to protect the young and healthy they are to protect more vulnerable members of a society.
A society is defined as a group of people working towards a common good. In this case protecting the lives of the vulnerable and at risk.
The response to C19 was too "flatten the curve" so our hospital system was not over loaded.
This boils it down to your possible opinion vs mine in regard to the response.
Option 1) lock everyone down, which has not been effective coz its going on far too long. How long can we maintain the lockdown before many other issues pile up which are worse than the virus itself. We can expand on this if you like.
Option 2)Just lock down those that are at risk & educate our elderly on effective PPE as well as putting protocols in place to assist their safety. Like for example Woolies opening an hour earlier so they can shop or those assisting them can shop with less contact with others within the community.
I'm up to talk about your two options.
option 1
that you claim hasn't been effective.. has worked, Every state bar Victoria worked.
Vic fair to carry it out and folded under the pressure of you brethren.
option 2 that you seem In favour of has flaws.
like the fact your brethren believe they are beyond rules restrictions and loss of freedoms. they range from people that
breach lockdowns to spread c19..
health workers in the facilities you say need lockdown Sneak into work feeling sick and say nothing.
Quarantine breaches that are in there 100s.
and we have ALL seen your woolies idea Will fail ....with freedom fighters staging their own Videos Showing they won't wear masks in grocery stores or Bunnings are even hiding in car boots and telling police they don't need to tell them their name.
its a ****n circus out there
So you have identified a few reasons why the lockdown is failing & why extra precautions to ensure our seniors would have been a far more effective strategy. Happy to converse further M8
Failed to mention there basically is no flu Because of the practices in play. Yet covid 19 still Sits in the community waiting for some **** to infect others. Next ![]()
So here's a thought....
If 20-40 yr olds are the largest numbers of cases would they also be the biggest spreaders?
& Hence on the most in need of controls to stop them spreading it to the vulnerable?
NSW is an example. Our current cases all but 7 can be traced to a known source. And were spread through community transmission till we had a death.
Lockdown / mask etc aren't to protect the young and healthy they are to protect more vulnerable members of a society.
A society is defined as a group of people working towards a common good. In this case protecting the lives of the vulnerable and at risk.
The response to C19 was too "flatten the curve" so our hospital system was not over loaded.
This boils it down to your possible opinion vs mine in regard to the response.
Option 1) lock everyone down, which has not been effective coz its going on far too long. How long can we maintain the lockdown before many other issues pile up which are worse than the virus itself. We can expand on this if you like.
Option 2)Just lock down those that are at risk & educate our elderly on effective PPE as well as putting protocols in place to assist their safety. Like for example Woolies opening an hour earlier so they can shop or those assisting them can shop with less contact with others within the community.
I'm up to talk about your two options.
option 1
that you claim hasn't been effective.. has worked, Every state bar Victoria worked.
Vic fair to carry it out and folded under the pressure of you brethren.
option 2 that you seem In favour of has flaws.
like the fact your brethren believe they are beyond rules restrictions and loss of freedoms. they range from people that
breach lockdowns to spread c19..
health workers in the facilities you say need lockdown Sneak into work feeling sick and say nothing.
Quarantine breaches that are in there 100s.
and we have ALL seen your woolies idea Will fail ....with freedom fighters staging their own Videos Showing they won't wear masks in grocery stores or Bunnings are even hiding in car boots and telling police they don't need to tell them their name.
its a ****n circus out there
So you have identified a few reasons why the lockdown is failing & why extra precautions to ensure our seniors would have been a far more effective strategy. Happy to converse further M8
Yep you've got nothing![]()
you won't admit your brethren are the problem.
Failed to mention there basically is no flu Because of the practices in play. Yet covid 19 still Sits in the community waiting for some **** to infect others. Next ![]()
So here's a thought....
If 20-40 yr olds are the largest numbers of cases would they also be the biggest spreaders?
& Hence on the most in need of controls to stop them spreading it to the vulnerable?
NSW is an example. Our current cases all but 7 can be traced to a known source. And were spread through community transmission till we had a death.
Lockdown / mask etc aren't to protect the young and healthy they are to protect more vulnerable members of a society.
A society is defined as a group of people working towards a common good. In this case protecting the lives of the vulnerable and at risk.
The response to C19 was too "flatten the curve" so our hospital system was not over loaded.
This boils it down to your possible opinion vs mine in regard to the response.
Option 1) lock everyone down, which has not been effective coz its going on far too long. How long can we maintain the lockdown before many other issues pile up which are worse than the virus itself. We can expand on this if you like.
Option 2)Just lock down those that are at risk & educate our elderly on effective PPE as well as putting protocols in place to assist their safety. Like for example Woolies opening an hour earlier so they can shop or those assisting them can shop with less contact with others within the community.
I'm up to talk about your two options.
option 1
that you claim hasn't been effective.. has worked, Every state bar Victoria worked.
Vic fair to carry it out and folded under the pressure of you brethren.
option 2 that you seem In favour of has flaws.
like the fact your brethren believe they are beyond rules restrictions and loss of freedoms. they range from people that
breach lockdowns to spread c19..
health workers in the facilities you say need lockdown Sneak into work feeling sick and say nothing.
Quarantine breaches that are in there 100s.
and we have ALL seen your woolies idea Will fail ....with freedom fighters staging their own Videos Showing they won't wear masks in grocery stores or Bunnings are even hiding in car boots and telling police they don't need to tell them their name.
its a ****n circus out there
So you have identified a few reasons why the lockdown is failing & why extra precautions to ensure our seniors would have been a far more effective strategy. Happy to converse further M8
Yep you've got nothing![]()
you won't admit your brethren are the problem.
Yes a few minutes went by & my brethen & I were so busy laughing that we were unable to respond ![]()
Re: second wave, please tell me when we got our first ![]()
![]()
Failed to mention there basically is no flu Because of the practices in play. Yet covid 19 still Sits in the community waiting for some **** to infect others. Next ![]()
So here's a thought....
If 20-40 yr olds are the largest numbers of cases would they also be the biggest spreaders?
& Hence on the most in need of controls to stop them spreading it to the vulnerable?
NSW is an example. Our current cases all but 7 can be traced to a known source. And were spread through community transmission till we had a death.
Lockdown / mask etc aren't to protect the young and healthy they are to protect more vulnerable members of a society.
A society is defined as a group of people working towards a common good. In this case protecting the lives of the vulnerable and at risk.
The response to C19 was too "flatten the curve" so our hospital system was not over loaded.
This boils it down to your possible opinion vs mine in regard to the response.
Option 1) lock everyone down, which has not been effective coz its going on far too long. How long can we maintain the lockdown before many other issues pile up which are worse than the virus itself. We can expand on this if you like.
Option 2)Just lock down those that are at risk & educate our elderly on effective PPE as well as putting protocols in place to assist their safety. Like for example Woolies opening an hour earlier so they can shop or those assisting them can shop with less contact with others within the community.
I'm up to talk about your two options.
option 1
that you claim hasn't been effective.. has worked, Every state bar Victoria worked.
Vic fair to carry it out and folded under the pressure of you brethren.
option 2 that you seem In favour of has flaws.
like the fact your brethren believe they are beyond rules restrictions and loss of freedoms. they range from people that
breach lockdowns to spread c19..
health workers in the facilities you say need lockdown Sneak into work feeling sick and say nothing.
Quarantine breaches that are in there 100s.
and we have ALL seen your woolies idea Will fail ....with freedom fighters staging their own Videos Showing they won't wear masks in grocery stores or Bunnings are even hiding in car boots and telling police they don't need to tell them their name.
its a ****n circus out there
So you have identified a few reasons why the lockdown is failing & why extra precautions to ensure our seniors would have been a far more effective strategy. Happy to converse further M8
Yep you've got nothing![]()
you won't admit your brethren are the problem.
Yes a few minutes went by & my brethen & I were so busy laughing that we were unable to respond ![]()
Re: second wave, please tell me when we got our first ![]()
![]()
What makes a first wave for Mick PC a death toll to match Sweden..BOOM ,,,I just dropped the mic
like Chrispy said you are beyond help.
but I do look forward to seeing you on TV voicing your loss of freedoms.
Failed to mention there basically is no flu Because of the practices in play. Yet covid 19 still Sits in the community waiting for some **** to infect others. Next ![]()
So here's a thought....
If 20-40 yr olds are the largest numbers of cases would they also be the biggest spreaders?
& Hence on the most in need of controls to stop them spreading it to the vulnerable?
NSW is an example. Our current cases all but 7 can be traced to a known source. And were spread through community transmission till we had a death.
Lockdown / mask etc aren't to protect the young and healthy they are to protect more vulnerable members of a society.
A society is defined as a group of people working towards a common good. In this case protecting the lives of the vulnerable and at risk.
The response to C19 was too "flatten the curve" so our hospital system was not over loaded.
This boils it down to your possible opinion vs mine in regard to the response.
Option 1) lock everyone down, which has not been effective coz its going on far too long. How long can we maintain the lockdown before many other issues pile up which are worse than the virus itself. We can expand on this if you like.
Option 2)Just lock down those that are at risk & educate our elderly on effective PPE as well as putting protocols in place to assist their safety. Like for example Woolies opening an hour earlier so they can shop or those assisting them can shop with less contact with others within the community.
I'm up to talk about your two options.
option 1
that you claim hasn't been effective.. has worked, Every state bar Victoria worked.
Vic fair to carry it out and folded under the pressure of you brethren.
option 2 that you seem In favour of has flaws.
like the fact your brethren believe they are beyond rules restrictions and loss of freedoms. they range from people that
breach lockdowns to spread c19..
health workers in the facilities you say need lockdown Sneak into work feeling sick and say nothing.
Quarantine breaches that are in there 100s.
and we have ALL seen your woolies idea Will fail ....with freedom fighters staging their own Videos Showing they won't wear masks in grocery stores or Bunnings are even hiding in car boots and telling police they don't need to tell them their name.
its a ****n circus out there
So you have identified a few reasons why the lockdown is failing & why extra precautions to ensure our seniors would have been a far more effective strategy. Happy to converse further M8
Yep you've got nothing![]()
you won't admit your brethren are the problem.
Yes a few minutes went by & my brethen & I were so busy laughing that we were unable to respond ![]()
Re: second wave, please tell me when we got our first ![]()
![]()
What makes a first wave for Mick PC a death toll to match Sweden..BOOM ,,,I just dropped the mic
like Chrispy said you are beyond help.
but I do look forward to seeing you on TV voicing your loss of freedoms.
Chill bro, I am not wishing ill upon you or anyone else...
What makes for a pandemic or "first wave". Well much less previously to May 2009 before the WHO had the definitions of a pandemic changed. You can use whatever search engine you like with the query, "pandemic definitions changed may 2009" to see for yourself.
OK so considering your in Northern Queensland & they changed the cyclone category definitions coz they wanted you to take cyclones more seriously. Similar situation & based upon previous categorization. Covid 19 is not a pandemic & is no worse than a bad flu season. Not to say that we should not take extra precautions to protect people at risk.
So now it's a BAD Flu.
ok we have him on his back now.
as for cyclones we've always taken them serious.
It is not a bad flu. But the stats so far are comparable. As the year draws to a close we will be able to make a more definitive comparison.
"It" is not a bad flu. But the stats so far are comparable. As the year draws to a close we will be able to make a more definitive comparison.
Which stats? Those skewed by lock down and preventative measure.
Compare an apple to an orange next.
"It" is not a bad flu. But the stats so far are comparable. As the year draws to a close we will be able to make a more definitive comparison.
Which stats? Those skewed by lock down and preventative measure.
Compare an apple to an orange next.
A range of stats not limited to the fatality rate of C19 or Australia.
It is not a bad flu. But the stats so far are comparable. As the year draws to a close we will be able to make a more definitive comparison.
The fakenews dodger showing off his skills again
So i ask again mick,what would the numbers be without all the precautions that have been put in place?
You are gonna need a knee reconstruction with all the sidestepping you do mick
I don't need you to get back to me. ![]()
Awesome coz after spending the whole day trying to fix my website due to a plugin expiring I'd rather do something else.
One thing though. Regarding your latest meme. You appear to be under the impression that scientists are working for the betterment of mankind, for the good of the people. My understanding is that they are working for corporations chasing the almighty $. They're like mercenaries ![]()
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Without going into a big spiel...consider marijuana vs synthetics
Marijuana or Hemp as they called it was something which was a requirement for US farmers too grow in some states up until the development of synthetics.
Although synthetics are inferior too hemp & not so good for the environment. A campaign proceeded too demonise cannabis which subsequently lead to the pretty much worldwide prohibition of the plant.
Step forward too today & now its slowly making a comback as its been shown to have good effect on epilepsy, spasms, cancer treatments & other areas...as well as being a strong easily produced material fibre. Australian growers are currently being sourced for what will be a huge industry in the short term future. Good investment opportunity btw...
Why am I saying all this, well your clearly an intelligent bloke. I'm just trying to get you to think outside the box a little ![]()
Geez I feel sorry for you if you think that people like doctors and scientist are just in it for the money.
You think the bloke that made the cochlear implant
Dr. Fred hollows
The doctor or scientist looking after dying kids in a cancer ward or trying to find a cure..
The thousand of scientist running research projects in Unis.
The ED doctor operating on people at 4am on a Tuesday morning are in it for the cash.
There are scientist studying billions of thing all over the world for everything for a cure to cancer, Global warming and many other issues that are not rich and never will be.
Whats a bleak and cynical outlook you have there.
Its a reflection on parts of today's society we're people with a self entitled sense of importance and a bad case of big mouth believe they know all and have lost the intrinsic good that made the human race what it is the general goal of doing right by your fellow humans.
Just cause you can't act for the greater good desnemean others don't
Lots of smiles down town today all shops are in full swing people doing the right thing waiting in line social distancing. caravan parks Full as a goog workers in the building trade are flat out cruising boats are out whale watching and tourists are heading out to great Keppel island .life's great in sunny QLD.
No smiles down town today all shops are fully shut people doing the wrong thing waiting for coffee without social distancing. caravan parks a Dim memory workers in the building trade are trying to sneak to work cruising boats are banned from going on the water and tourists are caught and trapped and imprisoned. Life is **** in miserable Melbourne
I heard police smashed a persons window to get at them coz they were in the car alone with their windows up not wearing a mask. I'm not anti mask at all in the right situation. But that is farking mental if its true....stay cool bro!
This post demonstrates perfectly the level of research and truth in most of Mick's posts.
99% of people know what happens but old big mouth thinks he knows better and can't be ****ed spending half a second fact checking his dribble.
SP the majority of those people are Dr's not scientists. And I'm not cynical or whatever. The reality is that most scientists are hired by company's to work towards the goal of the company.
And I feel I am working towards a greater good. At work I certainly am at least...in regard to C19 response we can agree too disagree.....
We are no way near the end of this thing.
Wow you boys have obviously been hanging for some KFC all morning
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No it's just leveling some truth against you bombarding this site with fake news
So mick,again, how would the numbers be without a lockdown?
SP the majority of those people are Dr's not scientists. And I'm not cynical or whatever. The reality is that most scientists are hired by company's to work towards the goal of the company.
No they aren't. Spend a few seconds finding out what they actually do before opening your ****e hole and spouting more poorly researched fabricated dribble you got off YouTube.
Wow you boys have obviously been hanging for some KFC all morning
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No it's just leveling some truth against you bombarding this site with fake news
So mick,again, how would the numbers be without a lockdown?
Wow you boys have obviously been hanging for some KFC all morning
![]()
No it's just leveling some truth against you bombarding this site with fake news
So mick,again, how would the numbers be without a lockdown?
The lockdown delays the inebitable & those that have passed "with" C19 would like have passed sooner than later as a result of their underlying health condition or another unbranded virus.
SP the majority of those people are Dr's not scientists. And I'm not cynical or whatever. The reality is that most scientists are hired by company's to work towards the goal of the company.
And I feel I am working towards a greater good. At work I certainly am at least...in regard to C19 response we can agree too disagree.....
We are no way near the end of this thing.
How are we not near the end yet,when It is nothing more than a bad flu according to your scientific knowledge
Wow you boys have obviously been hanging for some KFC all morning
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No it's just leveling some truth against you bombarding this site with fake news
So mick,again, how would the numbers be without a lockdown?
Wow you boys have obviously been hanging for some KFC all morning
![]()
No it's just leveling some truth against you bombarding this site with fake news
So mick,again, how would the numbers be without a lockdown?
The lockdown delays the inebitable & those that have passed "with" C19 would like have passed sooner than later as a result of their underlying health condition or another unbranded virus.
What would the figures be mr dodger ?
Wow you boys have obviously been hanging for some KFC all morning
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No it's just leveling some truth against you bombarding this site with fake news
So mick,again, how would the numbers be without a lockdown?
Wow you boys have obviously been hanging for some KFC all morning
![]()
No it's just leveling some truth against you bombarding this site with fake news
So mick,again, how would the numbers be without a lockdown?
The lockdown delays the inebitable & those that have passed "with" C19 would like have passed sooner than later as a result of their underlying health condition or another unbranded virus.
They would have passed sooner if they did not get covid...seriously, and you want to be taken seriously with idiotic logic such as that?
How would someone pass sooner if they did not contract covid...this will be a cracking reply
Wow you boys have obviously been hanging for some KFC all morning
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No it's just leveling some truth against you bombarding this site with fake news
So mick,again, how would the numbers be without a lockdown?
Wow you boys have obviously been hanging for some KFC all morning
![]()
No it's just leveling some truth against you bombarding this site with fake news
So mick,again, how would the numbers be without a lockdown?
The lockdown delays the inebitable & those that have passed "with" C19 would like have passed sooner than later as a result of their underlying health condition or another unbranded virus.
They would have passed sooner if they did not get covid...seriously, and you want to be taken seriously qith idiotic logic such as that
I meant sooner or later...I havn't had the benefit of finishing my brekky coffee...but anyway, I gotta head off. Hope this has allowed y'all to let off some steam & you feel a little better ![]()
How long is a piece of string![]()
Lol...thought so
At least your knees will be a bit better this morning,as you are only running around in circles ![]()
Wow you boys have obviously been hanging for some KFC all morning
![]()
No it's just leveling some truth against you bombarding this site with fake news
So mick,again, how would the numbers be without a lockdown?
Wow you boys have obviously been hanging for some KFC all morning
![]()
No it's just leveling some truth against you bombarding this site with fake news
So mick,again, how would the numbers be without a lockdown?
The lockdown delays the inebitable & those that have passed "with" C19 would like have passed sooner than later as a result of their underlying health condition or another unbranded virus.
They would have passed sooner if they did not get covid...seriously, and you want to be taken seriously qith idiotic logic such as that
I meant sooner or later...I havn't had the benefit of finishing my brekky coffee...but anyway, I gotta head off. Hope this has allowed y'all to let off some steam & you feel a little better ![]()
Everyone will all pass sooner or later,that is how the cycle of life works mick
Mick that post is even more idiotic than the previous post you made
Do you bombard your work colleagues and friends with this crap,or you just do it online ?
How long is a piece of string![]()
Wouldn't matter how short it was it would still be longer than the amount of thought and research you have put into any of your posts.
Leave mick alone m8,he is scouring YouTube as fast as he can....impatient sheeple harassing seabreezes only self proclaimed critical thinker should calm the farm