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DEEP Oceanboards 7'2" Minion // Review

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Created by Casso > 9 months ago, 4 Jun 2014
Tang
VIC, 580 posts
15 Sep 2014 9:16PM
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Wavesareus said..
Trying to decide what size in these minions tempted to go crazy and try 7'8 but I also want to be able to stand on it out the back in chop so tempted for the 7'10 very hard choice I just don't want to be sitting on the board and only stand when a wave comes, defeats the purpose


What are your dimensions?

i rode the 7'8" x 28 1/4" x 4 1/4" in a stack of chop on sat arvo and it was fine, and I'm 6'4" and 85kgs....you'll get used to the chop.

Foam
WA, 768 posts
15 Sep 2014 7:28PM
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7'8 at 119 l. And 7"10 at 124l. 88kg int rider

hard red choice because I feel they are well over priced , great boards just asking too much

Tang
VIC, 580 posts
15 Sep 2014 9:34PM
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Well I'm back from the maldives and haven't really got a lot to add in the form of a review to what has already been said by others. But I have a few observations that might contribute to things moving along. Of course I have no decent photos as my lovely wife was always surfing, and then when she did some camera duty she thought the zoom issue could be corrected on the computer at home. So if anyone wants to see some footage of a surfing speck in the distance please do let me know. The South Africans and other Aussies are going to send me CDs of photos sometime soon.

I've ridden my 7'8"x28 1/4"x4 1/4" 110L minion for the last 5-6 weeks in everything from 1ft fat rubbish to 5ft walls, and with shapers fins, cdrives and several other combos. I reckon it is fair to say that with all the switching (including getting back on my starby 8'5" a bit for comparison) that I'm still dialling it in. My first couple of surfs were sensational but I have struggled to tune back into the speed I could generate since.

Fins
I have shapers S7 fronts and MGX 1 rears in it, with the darc drive. It's goes well, but I reckon I need S9s and larger rears to get it going better. Too slidey for me. Cdrives were great, but even after some engineering work I couldn't avoid the whiz zing sound in bottom turns that I think kicks in from the gap between the fin base (they're very long in the base) and the tail lift. It pushed thru bottom turns well but the sound gives you the sheets. I've put starby 4.5" rears in it and that seems to make it hang on a bit better

Getting it going
I'm a bit old school, as I learnt on a single fin and surfed thrusters my whole surfing time. As a result, I find it hard to jam it back on the tail, which is where you really need to be to get the best out of it. It's also hard in slightly fat waves for me to get myself right to the. Back of the board, with my back foot ending up just in front of the tail pad and not on it. I did find it best at Riptides, which is a pure fun peak with a wall on the right ones, not very round, and you could just go top to bottom off the lip or a hook and straight into another bottom turn. At kandooma, which is a lot quicker and down the line, I have to say my starby 8'5" was the best bet. Maybe it's the cdrives in it as a thruster, but it surfs those kind of waves so well. I just could not get the minion wound up like it and struggled to make a few waves that the starby would have made.

Paddling
What can I say? It paddles better than the 8'5" and people were amazed at what I could catch, and so was I. Its way more stable than it looks.

The only thing I would do differently is reduce the volume. I found and find the rails have too much foam for my weight, especially if there is any chop, and they pop out more than I'd like. It's also a little corky at 110litres, thought spends a bit of time with its backside underwater. Hopefully I'll be up for another next year and will look to thin it out and go a little narrower, maybe 27 1/2", around the 100-105 litre mark, to get the rails thinner

Foam
WA, 768 posts
16 Sep 2014 9:26AM
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Keen to know how a 7'10 128 lite minion compares to a 8'3 x32 I find the x32 yew a pain in the ass one paddle stroke and it's on a 45 angle

very hard to navigate this yellow beast , in fact for a wide board it's fairy unstable to much rocker I guess

Loz79
QLD, 459 posts
16 Sep 2014 12:01PM
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Wavesareus said...
Keen to know how a 7'10 128 lite minion compares to a 8'3 x32 I find the x32 yew a pain in the ass one paddle stroke and it's on a 45 angle

very hard to navigate this yellow beast , in fact for a wide board it's fairy unstable to much rocker I guess


You need to paddle with your feet not at 90 degrees to board. I have a jp 8'2 x 32 and worked this out pretty quickly. Stand square to board when stationary but once i get moving I pull my left foot back a fair bit ( I'm goofy footed), I find I can the paddle on one side and turn the board as I go to keep straight... Works for me anyways;)

Foam
WA, 768 posts
16 Sep 2014 12:06PM
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Any vids of the 7'8 119 litres

BenjiD
NSW, 97 posts
16 Sep 2014 2:08PM
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Wavesareus said...
Keen to know how a 7'10 128 lite minion compares to a 8'3 x32 I find the x32 yew a pain in the ass one paddle stroke and it's on a 45 angle

very hard to navigate this yellow beast , in fact for a wide board it's fairy unstable to much rocker I guess

For a short board They dont get much more stable than the x32 mate. You need to develop a c stroke to stop the yaw.

Foam
WA, 768 posts
16 Sep 2014 12:40PM
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I should use the words boxy rails and Corky

mazdon
1198 posts
16 Sep 2014 2:53PM
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Wavesareus said..
I should use the words boxy rails and Corky


or simply "SUP"?

MickMc
VIC, 456 posts
16 Sep 2014 5:23PM
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Tang said..
Well I'm back from the maldives and haven't really got a lot to add in the form of a review to what has already been said by others. But I have a few observations that might contribute to things moving along. Of course I have no decent photos as my lovely wife was always surfing, and then when she did some camera duty she thought the zoom issue could be corrected on the computer at home. So if anyone wants to see some footage of a surfing speck in the distance please do let me know. The South Africans and other Aussies are going to send me CDs of photos sometime soon.

I've ridden my 7'8"x28 1/4"x4 1/4" 110L minion for the last 5-6 weeks in everything from 1ft fat rubbish to 5ft walls, and with shapers fins, cdrives and several other combos. I reckon it is fair to say that with all the switching (including getting back on my starby 8'5" a bit for comparison) that I'm still dialling it in. My first couple of surfs were sensational but I have struggled to tune back into the speed I could generate since.

Fins
I have shapers S7 fronts and MGX 1 rears in it, with the darc drive. It's goes well, but I reckon I need S9s and larger rears to get it going better. Too slidey for me. Cdrives were great, but even after some engineering work I couldn't avoid the whiz zing sound in bottom turns that I think kicks in from the gap between the fin base (they're very long in the base) and the tail lift. It pushed thru bottom turns well but the sound gives you the sheets. I've put starby 4.5" rears in it and that seems to make it hang on a bit better

Getting it going
I'm a bit old school, as I learnt on a single fin and surfed thrusters my whole surfing time. As a result, I find it hard to jam it back on the tail, which is where you really need to be to get the best out of it. It's also hard in slightly fat waves for me to get myself right to the. Back of the board, with my back foot ending up just in front of the tail pad and not on it. I did find it best at Riptides, which is a pure fun peak with a wall on the right ones, not very round, and you could just go top to bottom off the lip or a hook and straight into another bottom turn. At kandooma, which is a lot quicker and down the line, I have to say my starby 8'5" was the best bet. Maybe it's the cdrives in it as a thruster, but it surfs those kind of waves so well. I just could not get the minion wound up like it and struggled to make a few waves that the starby would have made.

Paddling
What can I say? It paddles better than the 8'5" and people were amazed at what I could catch, and so was I. Its way more stable than it looks.

The only thing I would do differently is reduce the volume. I found and find the rails have too much foam for my weight, especially if there is any chop, and they pop out more than I'd like. It's also a little corky at 110litres, thought spends a bit of time with its backside underwater. Hopefully I'll be up for another next year and will look to thin it out and go a little narrower, maybe 27 1/2", around the 100-105 litre mark, to get the rails thinner


Hey Steve, thanks for that comprehensive report. It's great to get different perspectives. So in summary would it be fair to say that compared to the Starboard 8'5 pro your minion is more stable and catches more waves? I was thinking of going for something a tad longer, maybe 8', just to get a little more glide so that I can catch the fatter waves out at Torquay Point and Supertubes, but I'm beginning to think that 7'8 may be long enough ..... I have to confess that I have gone down the performance path and while it is great to have a super responsive board on a wave, if you have to trade off stability between sets and less glide so you end up missing what should be gettable waves, it just takes the fun out of it for me.

ghost4man
408 posts
16 Sep 2014 9:28PM
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Look I could be wrong but I get the impression that a lot of the guys who are considering going the way of the Minion are being overly conservative in how big a board they wish to choose. My understanding is that these boards lend themselves to a different attitude in terms of volume and length and unless you get your head around this then there is really no point in going in this direction. These boards have a very different design to conventional sups and as such you simply cant look at volume from the perspective of the board that you are currently riding. In other words a 95 L Minion is very different to a 95 L normal sup simply due to the fact that the design principles are worlds apart. These boards are meant to be short and narrow. It comes with the parallel rail design which seemingly allows for a more efficient planing dynamic on a shorter board so strictly speaking you cannot compare these boards as they really are chalk and cheese. Its quite possible that riding a bigger Minion may be far less suitable to your needs than going for a much smaller version. More than anything I think these boards require an altered mindset which gives allowance to the potential that they have to offer.

Just my opinion of course.Ozzie

ghost4man
408 posts
16 Sep 2014 9:30PM
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Wavesareus said..
Any reviews or opinions on the deep vs Rivera door


Can you provide the appropriate links to the Rivera/Riviera mate.

colas
5364 posts
16 Sep 2014 11:05PM
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Tang said..
but even after some engineering work I couldn't avoid the whiz zing sound in bottom turns that I think kicks in from the gap between the fin base (they're very long in the base) and the tail lift. It pushed thru bottom turns well but the sound gives you the sheets.


Normally, fins make noise when the point where the water flows rejoin at the back oscillate from side to side. To counter this, you can either:
- have a sharp trailing edge... but too dangerous for you and your leash
- force the reattachement point on one side: sand the trailing edge asymmetrically, as a wedge.

e.g: http://jp.surffcs.com/eu/technology/fins/faq.aspx
Fins hum because of unstable water flow at the trailing edge of the fin. This generates vortices or turbulence which results in a fin that hums. To fix it, use 100-150 grit sand paper to make a bevel on each side of the trailing edge. The idea is to reduce the likelihood of water separating by thinning out the trailing edge. We recommend you sand the fin a little then surf the board again, if it still hums sand it some more. For safety reasons we intentionally manufacture our fins with a rounded trailing edge. On rare occasions this causes the fins to sing or hum.

beached56
41 posts
17 Sep 2014 12:30AM
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Wavesareus said..
Any reviews or opinions on the deep vs Rivera door


The Door has been reviewed a bit on other forum in the US. did not get good reviews. it's basically a wide flat bottomed board that doesn't turn well. based on reviews of Minion and few i've seen of the Door, there's no comparison. if i could get my hands on a Minion, I would.

Stev0
422 posts
17 Sep 2014 5:58AM
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ghost4man said..
Look I could be wrong but I get the impression that a lot of the guys who are considering going the way of the Minion are being overly conservative in how big a board they wish to choose. My understanding is that these boards lend themselves to a different attitude in terms of volume and length and unless you get your head around this then there is really no point in going in this direction. These boards have a very different design to conventional sups and as such you simply cant look at volume from the perspective of the board that you are currently riding. In other words a 95 L Minion is very different to a 95 L normal sup simply due to the fact that the design principles are worlds apart. These boards are meant to be short and narrow. It comes with the parallel rail design which seemingly allows for a more efficient planing dynamic on a shorter board so strictly speaking you cannot compare these boards as they really are chalk and cheese. Its quite possible that riding a bigger Minion may be far less suitable to your needs than going for a much smaller version. More than anything I think these boards require an altered mindset which gives allowance to the potential that they have to offer.

Just my opinion of course.Ozzie


This is good advice as especially requiring 'an altered mindset' It is a leap of faith to really go for it and get the optimal size Minion versus what you are used to as being a small board. The more I look at this Minion concept there more I look at my 8'5 and wonder why I need all that board up front? What if I chop 1' off the nose and straighten the rails (so they are not curving around the middle and getting narrow in the tai) and have a wide tail as that will keep the volume/stability where you need it on a super short board?...

I'm 85kg and ride the 8'5 x 28.75" Fanatic ProWave @109L but I need to look at the Minion 7'4 X 27.75" @104L - which on paper looks like a big difference being 1' shorter, 1" narrower and 5L less volume. But from what I am hearing is that the stability of the Minion will be similar to the ProWave!?…But…and it's a big BUT, I'd need to stump up NZ$2700 to find out if my gut feel is correct…or not!

Supmaori
746 posts
17 Sep 2014 6:45AM
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Hey Stevo..you hit the nauil on the head..like you i ride the 8"10 prowave at 119 L...im aiming for the 7"8 minion at 115L which as you said looks a big difference but from reading all the research and feedback looks to be the one for me...but..$2700 (and thats with no bag or deck grip )to get the wrong one would hurt..big leap of faith i guess.

Stev0
422 posts
17 Sep 2014 7:04AM
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Yeah - it's tricky leap of faith for $2700 and at apparently 8kg they are pretty heavy for their size. Surfboard shapers are pretty old school in terms of using exotic materials and construction. The dudes at ASP Boards in Christchurch are making carbon 8' 5" x 29" 116L weighing in at 5kg! I'm interested to see what JP come up with as in another thread there was a photo of a prototype which looked like a Minion but I'm sure the JP would be much lighter but may cost more.

Reprobate
31 posts
17 Sep 2014 7:05AM
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"Altered mindset" is exactly right! That's the whole idea behind these Vanguard style shapes. From following this thread, I too have gotten caught up in this shorter, narrower, parallel railed phenomenon....so I had to build one and see what all the fuss was about. Me, 56yrs, 185cm, 79kg with 2 yrs SUP experience. Normally I ride and 8'3"x 28" shortboard style shape. What I decided to build is 7'5"x 27"x 3 3/4". I know I could/should have gone shorter and narrower, but frankly I didn't have the minerals to do it this first time. These shapes? Wow! They're a blast! I've had mine out in horrible winds and chop, competing crossing swells, you name it....and I'm amazed at how stable this shape is. Surf? I've run it as a thruster with FCS Nexus h3 fins and it carves a turn nicely for such a wide tail. As a quad I've run the medium C drives and she's smooth and fast and more pivoty in the turns. Either way, I love this shape. Seems I've always heard wide tails don't turn...BS! I guess because of the wider plan shape throughout this shape seems more "skatey", which is cool by me.

I'm not trying to hijack this thread to show my board. I'm certain the DEEP boards are far superior a design. There have just been a lot of questions lately concerning stability, volume, etc, and I wanted to give some relatable experience to try and help out. I'm a convert to this shape, and I think it's particularly well suited to SUP because it does allow you to go shorter and narrower than you might normally. Get a Minion, you won't be disappointed.

And the Riviera Door. I have two buddies that had them. The most excited they were was when they sold them.









Supmaori
746 posts
17 Sep 2014 9:00AM
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Yip the JP looked a nice minion type board but from what i understand wont be ready till 2016..proberly close to 3k ...be nice if someone was able to custom a minion type board in NZ. I know you can get customLSD shapes made up fron Nik at sup shed but id imagine they would be close to same dollars.
wow i thought the minion would be lighter than that.


stm
VIC, 165 posts
17 Sep 2014 11:02AM
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Supmaori said..
Hey Stevo..you hit the nauil on the head..like you i ride the 8"10 prowave at 119 L...im aiming for the 7"8 minion at 115L which as you said looks a big difference but from reading all the research and feedback looks to be the one for me...but..$2700 (and thats with no bag or deck grip )to get the wrong one would hurt..big leap of faith i guess.





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Supmaori said..
Hey Stevo..you hit the nauil on the head..like you i ride the 8"10 prowave at 119 L...im aiming for the 7"8 minion at 115L which as you said looks a big difference but from reading all the research and feedback looks to be the one for me...but..$2700 (and thats with no bag or deck grip )to get the wrong one would hurt..big leap of faith i guess.






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ghost4man said..
Look I could be wrong but I get the impression that a lot of the guys who are considering going the way of the Minion are being overly conservative in how big a board they wish to choose. My understanding is that these boards lend themselves to a different attitude in terms of volume and length and unless you get your head around this then there is really no point in going in this direction. These boards have a very different design to conventional sups and as such you simply cant look at volume from the perspective of the board that you are currently riding. In other words a 95 L Minion is very different to a 95 L normal sup simply due to the fact that the design principles are worlds apart. These boards are meant to be short and narrow. It comes with the parallel rail design which seemingly allows for a more efficient planing dynamic on a shorter board so strictly speaking you cannot compare these boards as they really are chalk and cheese. Its quite possible that riding a bigger Minion may be far less suitable to your needs than going for a much smaller version. More than anything I think these boards require an altered mindset which gives allowance to the potential that they have to offer.

Just my opinion of course.Ozzie




This is good advice as especially requiring 'an altered mindset' It is a leap of faith to really go for it and get the optimal size Minion versus what you are used to as being a small board. The more I look at this Minion concept there more I look at my 8'5 and wonder why I need all that board up front? What if I chop 1' off the nose and straighten the rails (so they are not curving around the middle and getting narrow in the tai) and have a wide tail as that will keep the volume/stability where you need it on a super short board?...

I'm 85kg and ride the 8'5 x 28.75" Fanatic ProWave @109L but I need to look at the Minion 7'4 X 27.75" @104L - which on paper looks like a big difference being 1' shorter, 1" narrower and 5L less volume. But from what I am hearing is that the stability of the Minion will be similar to the ProWave!?…But…and it's a big BUT, I'd need to stump up NZ$2700 to find out if my gut feel is correct…or not!


Same here Stevo but I'm 92 kg and ride a DTM 8'7 x 29 @ 110L and am tossing up the Idea of a 7'4 x 27.75 @ 104L , because I'm only 5'8 myself . I have also used a conventional 106 L board , so I think it would be do able ????

Stev0
422 posts
17 Sep 2014 9:27AM
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Supmaori said..
Yip the JP looked a nice minion type board but from what i understand wont be ready till 2016..proberly close to 3k ...be nice if someone was able to custom a minion type board in NZ. I know you can get customLSD shapes made up fron Nik at sup shed but id imagine they would be close to same dollars.
wow i thought the minion would be lighter than that.




Where did you hear that the JP was not available until 2016? But probably right as the JP 2015 range has just been launched. I had a production 8'6 LSD and it is a really nice shape but the LSD custom shapes are lighter and look good but they don't make a Minion shape. I reckon the windsurfing brands that make SUPs have the lighter/better construction out of the Cobra factory in Thailand as they have all the hi-tech materials. A bit controversial but to me the surfboard brands I see seem heavy and made old school like large surfboards rather than deploying sandwich construction techniques…but I could be wrong. I'll need to pick up a Minion to see if 8kg is going to be 'feel' heavy for such a small board and annoy me, or not...

Stev0
422 posts
17 Sep 2014 9:28AM
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stm said..
Same here Stevo but I'm 92 kg and ride a DTM 8'7 x 29 @ 110L and am tossing up the Idea of a 7'4 x 27.75 @ 104L , because I'm only 5'8 myself . I have also used a conventional 106 L board , so I think it would be do able ????



We reckon you should get a 7'4 Minion and report back!...

Supmaori
746 posts
17 Sep 2014 9:38AM
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Stevo im sure i read it in a post that they were more than likely going to be put out in 2016..i dont know this for sure sorry. I rode the 8"6 LSD flashback for a bit..enjoyed this board too. I see on Deep FB they are packing the container as we speak.

Stev0
422 posts
17 Sep 2014 11:04AM
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Supmaori said..
I see on Deep FB they are packing the container as we speak.


Yup there is a collective noun of Minion's half way across the Ditch by now...so one of us has to get one ASAP and report back?...

Casso
NSW, 3775 posts
17 Sep 2014 1:50PM
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My DEEP Minion (7'2") is only 5.9kg - not sure if the ones heading to NZ are the same construction but you guys should check them out and see how light they are.

Stev0
422 posts
17 Sep 2014 12:40PM
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5.9kg sounds good! The 8kg number came from page 8 of this thread below:

toppleover said..
Just put it (7'10 @119L) on the scales now - spot on 8kg, inc fins + deck pad also mine has the vacuum bagged deck (stronger but also a bit heavier).

Foam
WA, 768 posts
17 Sep 2014 1:15PM
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Stev0 said..
5.9kg sounds good! The 8kg number came from page 8 of this thread below:

toppleover said..
Just put it (7'10 @119L) on the scales now - spot on 8kg, inc fins + deck pad also mine has the vacuum bagged deck (stronger but also a bit heavier).



I would be wanting vacuumed deck, no deck grip could be compression issues

Kami
1566 posts
17 Sep 2014 3:24PM
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Hi mates, You right to not compare pointed nose to Vanguard style board as the Deep Minion is. I reckon on this board that the main thing is to step back foot on the tail and front foot on the nose of the board.
Getting more length in nose is useless and negative effect riding this board. IMO Casso is too conservative riding 7'2" should go shorter

Casso
NSW, 3775 posts
17 Sep 2014 6:31PM
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Kami said...
IMO Casso is too conservative riding 7'2" should go shorter

Ha. Keep in mind, I'm 86kg and wanted to keep it pretty thin (3 15/16") so my feet are closer to the wave. To go shorter I'd have to go wider and wasn't too keen on anything over 27" - I think the parallel rails work better when they are closer together.

Kami
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17 Sep 2014 6:43PM
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Kami said...
IMO Casso is too conservative riding 7'2" should go shorter






Ha. Keep in mind, I'm 86kg and wanted to keep it pretty thin (3 15/16") so my feet are closer to the wave. To go shorter I'd have to go wider and wasn't too keen on anything over 27" - I think the parallel rails work better when they are closer together.




Casso despite of it seems to me you are more up to date than conservative
When i said shorter i'm talking about 2 or 3 "to your 86kg and long segment of legs, not much Then sure! these boards have to be thin enough to get the back foot as closer as possible from fins rail/planning area thrust like any perfect shortboard.
This way i'm pushing the idea to use smaller fins as possible to minimize distance or cantilever effect between the back foot push and the fins/rail/planning area.
That is a gain of thickness on tail part of the board without loosing advantages's parallel rails as closer as possible.

Last point is fins profils, IMO i use convexe foil as TC aqualine or AB2 because these fins are more " biting" than planning. So need less energy to sink the rail while carving . And for maneuvers plan shape of the board got enough large area to play "fancy way" with .



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