Select to expand quotepohaku said..goggo said..
A demo day will bring clarity.
What's you location ? There will be a demo in Cronulla are maybe on Sunday next week
20 km West of Arrawarra until August departure for Hawaii.
Select to expand quotegoggo said..pohaku said..goggo said..
A demo day will bring clarity.
What's you location ? There will be a demo in Cronulla are maybe on Sunday next week
20 km West of Arrawarra until August departure for Hawaii.
Another demo is Scott's head in June
Here's some photos and also size available in Australia.
There's 3 categories:
LP - long performance
AP - all performance
CP - compact performance
Sizing available in Australia is limited due to market conditions but have carefully selected sizes
Your question is how much better is it? Put it this way, Dave didn't want me to know there was anything new until after M2O because he knew it would get in my head.. he then introduced to me the Gator concept the following week. This is what I found: more stable than V2Tracks straighter and doesn't yawMuch faster and comes off the water quicker. Once up tail touch downs are way less noticeable Nose slap downs come straight back up opposed to shooting the board off to the side Turning is significantly easier, board feels and rides a foot shorterFeels more balanced & the deck to bottom is parallel oppose to the integrated 1 degree of angle on V2Here's the available sizes:
GATOR - LP
-8'10'' x 19'' - 115L
-8'8'' x 18.5'' - 105L
-8'6'' x 18'' - 95L
GATOR - AP
-8'7 X 24 - 130L
-8'4'' x 21.5'' - 115L
-8'0'' x 20'' - 105L
GATOR - CP
-7'5 X 26" - 117L
Select to expand quoteAnyBoard said..Hank1 said..jondrums said..
should we start the over-under betting pool on how far back the boxes will be? V1 was a full 6" too far back even in the most forward position, V2 is only 2-3" too far back.
Jondrum, are you riding a custom foil ?
Most guys and girls on Maui are not needing to be all the way forward in the box on any brand of foil on the V2
I doubt it. Probably just another paddler who doesn't understand that the design centers around, both the center of mass and buoyancy, of both V1 and V2, being significantly more rearward than any other brand. This negates the need for most paddlers to be so far forward in the boxes and create such an prohibitively long tail. But more realistically just another stirrer with nothing better to contribute.
To Jondrums point, they have been moving the tracks forward each iteration. Even for this latest gen it was stated and shown here they are moving them significantly more forward.
Also my experience and those of other buddies riding axis and code they all have them slammed forward in their Kalamas and often want more. One even had a new track placed so he could run it more forward. Maybe we all need a lesson in how to paddle these Kalamas and if so likely they should help educate the customer on that.
I also am interested to try the stand further back approach and really lean as mentioned.
Also, look at the kalama v2 board with Axis posted in this thread, it too is slammed.
Select to expand quotejbwiden said..AnyBoard said..Hank1 said..jondrums said..
should we start the over-under betting pool on how far back the boxes will be? V1 was a full 6" too far back even in the most forward position, V2 is only 2-3" too far back.
Jondrum, are you riding a custom foil ?
Most guys and girls on Maui are not needing to be all the way forward in the box on any brand of foil on the V2
I doubt it. Probably just another paddler who doesn't understand that the design centers around, both the center of mass and buoyancy, of both V1 and V2, being significantly more rearward than any other brand. This negates the need for most paddlers to be so far forward in the boxes and create such an prohibitively long tail. But more realistically just another stirrer with nothing better to contribute.
To Jondrums point, they have been moving the tracks forward each iteration. Even for this latest gen it was stated and shown here they are moving them significantly more forward.
Also my experience and those of other buddies riding axis and code they all have them slammed forward in their Kalamas and often want more. One even had a new track placed so he could run it more forward. Maybe we all need a lesson in how to paddle these Kalamas and if so likely they should help educate the customer on that.
I also am interested to try the stand further back approach and really lean as mentioned.
Also, look at the kalama v2 board with Axis posted in this thread, it too is slammed.
I would suggest the education you are seeking is taken care of by the box placement. Correct box placement is calculated off the centre of balance of the board, tracks move as design changes and the resulting centre of balance moves.
The goal should always be to have your centre of mass over the top of centre of balance of the board to optimise the design of the board.If you had 16 or for argument's sake 20 inch tracks and you continued to move your foil and your centre of mass forward your just getting further away from the boards centre of balance, your setup is out of balance.
As i mentioned the Maui crew are regarded as the best in the world and they are not needing any more track length on their V2s, those guys and girls know where to stand and place their foils!!
Re mast placement on the Kalamas everyone seems to be over looking Maui is Go Foil territory and Go Foils are now very different from most other brands with the distance from the the front on the mast to the back edge of the front wing . This puts the leverage point further in front of the mast and therefore wants to be further back in the boxes . Pretty well all other brands are now reverse to Gofoil eg Axis advanced ect with boxes needing to go way forward .
Piros, the KALAMA team consists of many other brands for the R&D than Gofoil. This board was created with input and feedback from people who ride Code, Lift, Armstrong, Axis and Gofoil . in more than just Maui. You guys gotta get out of your head that they're made for Gofoil when they're not. Some of Gofoil guys have it slammed at the back of the box.
My post above was in jest. I have owned a few surf sup kalamas great boards. GoFoil, Armi, Axis, Code and AFS foils. What happened with the GoFoil V2 mast was I had to slam it back initially but the moved it forward in increments and got the balance. The GoFoil V1.5 mast is pretty good not sure why they wanted to go further back
The new Kalama DW shape looks interesting with the narrow tail should work well. Would be great if he put his mind to a parawing board about 85l. 
Select to expand quotePiros said..
Re mast placement on the Kalamas everyone seems to be over looking Maui is Go Foil territory and Go Foils are now very different from most other brands with the distance from the the front on the mast to the back edge of the front wing . This puts the leverage point further in front of the mast and therefore wants to be further back in the boxes . Pretty well all other brands are now reverse to Gofoil eg Axis advanced ect with boxes needing to go way forward .
Hey Piros,
You have commented 3 times on this thread and all 3 times you have communicated misinformation.
1, The photo of the V2 Barracuda that you posted that you said was the new Gator.
2, The video of John Hagen riding a V2 Barracuda which you said was the new Gator.
3, That Maui is Go Foil territory. Have you been on Maui lately to experience what the DW crew are riding?
Not sure what you were trying to reference with your photos regarding wing placement distance from mast, that common knowledge and nothing new. If you need an example that the V2 Barracuda works with all brands it documented in the results from the worlds best. 2024 Hawaiian race series standouts male and female. Andrew Gibbons, production Kalama V2 lift Foils. Gabriella Bella, production Kalama V2 Axis foils.
Asking best in class if you want accurate information seems like an educated approach to me.
Select to expand quotehilly said..
My post above was in jest. I have owned a few surf sup kalamas great boards. GoFoil, Armi, Axis, Code and AFS foils. What happened with the GoFoil V2 mast was I had to slam it back initially but the moved it forward in increments and got the balance. The GoFoil V1.5 mast is pretty good not sure why they wanted to go further backThe new Kalama DW shape looks interesting with the narrow tail should work well. Would be great if he put his mind to a parawing board about 85l.
There is one! Just didn't order any. It's 6'4 x 20.5 at 90L, I'm staying at Dave's house this July maybe could get one for you?
Looks like there will be a few shorter board options. Maybe not being imported to Oz. I'm currently riding a 7'2 and can't see myself going back to longer except for races.
Board 8'12" X 16 V2 Barracuda
First picture is where a gofoil light v2 mast, 990x foil sits in the box when balanced the Kane method. Notice the use of the extra baseplate holes to allow the mast far enough back.
Below is where my FONE 14mm HM mast with eagle X 1000 surprisingly sits in the box when the board is balanced.
The below picture is where in the box i actually ride the eagle X 1000 with the 900X another 1/4' further forward again. I like the slight tail heavy position. Still a lot of adjust left in the box for the tiny fone momentum foils 
Where foilers position their foil from the balance point is personal preference and the above is just to show how tail oriented the barracudas are.
I selected the above foils because they are representative of what us punters might choose and in terms of the gofiil 990X it is the latest production DW foil from gofoil. The above pictures certainly don't support the crazy claim that the boxes are positioned for gofoil. Also to correct further misinformation the 990X on the V2 mast has similar front foot feel to my eagle X 1000 despite the difference in distance from foil to the mast with gofoil being about 60 mm further forward. Not so black and white @piros!
If you try the above experiment with Armstrong, Code and Sunova boards you will find they are terribly heavy in the front end by comparison which creates the necessity for the same foils to be maybe 3" further forward in comparison. I did this exact experiment with an 8'2" DWP armstrong board and i could not believe how much further up the board i had to push the eagle X 900 just to get it balanced. This is representative of the difference between most brands and the barracuda in terms of where the centre of mass is and where the center of buoyancy is. Its ok that on other boards the design requires the mast much further up the board by comparison just don't use it as a base to setup a barracuda.
I went to all this trouble because after a few years of misinformation it gets a bit much and this stuff is bloody expensive so above you have my experience and hopefully it helps someone.
I think you have been an efoiler too long Piros
That board under the parawinger will looks absolutely sick. What dimensions is it?
Select to expand quoteAnyBoard said..
That board under the parawinger will looks absolutely sick. What dimensions is it?
I believe it's the 5'6 x 19.75 - 62L, I have one coming Anyboard to try, you are welcome to demo as I'm down that way next week again.
Select to expand quotepohaku said..hilly said..
My post above was in jest. I have owned a few surf sup kalamas great boards. GoFoil, Armi, Axis, Code and AFS foils. What happened with the GoFoil V2 mast was I had to slam it back initially but the moved it forward in increments and got the balance. The GoFoil V1.5 mast is pretty good not sure why they wanted to go further backThe new Kalama DW shape looks interesting with the narrow tail should work well. Would be great if he put his mind to a parawing board about 85l.
There is one! Just didn't order any. It's 6'4 x 20.5 at 90L, I'm staying at Dave's house this July maybe could get one for you?
80l would be better. Interested
Select to expand quoteAnyBoard said..
That board under the parawinger will looks absolutely sick. What dimensions is it?
Agree
Any updates to the e3 specifically shorter sizes (less than 7' ~95L) for SUP surfing over down-winding?
If so bring one to Cronulla demo please ??
Select to expand quotepohaku said..AnyBoard said..
That board under the parawinger will looks absolutely sick. What dimensions is it?
I believe it's the 5'6 x 19.75 - 62L, I have one coming Anyboard to try, you are welcome to demo as I'm down that way next week again.
Definitely would like to demo that board for the parawing. If you could let me know your timing please.
Select to expand quotepohaku said..goggo said..pohaku said..goggo said..
A demo day will bring clarity.
What's you location ? There will be a demo in Cronulla are maybe on Sunday next week
20 km West of Arrawarra until August departure for Hawaii.
Another demo is Scott's head in June
Hey Dylan can you message me when you know the date for Scott's please.
Select to expand quotegoggo said..pohaku said..goggo said..pohaku said..goggo said..
A demo day will bring clarity.
What's you location ? There will be a demo in Cronulla are maybe on Sunday next week
20 km West of Arrawarra until August departure for Hawaii.
Another demo is Scott's head in June
Hey Dylan can you message me when you know the date for Scott's please.
Yeah Scott's head June 12-15
Flat water start on the .5'6 at 62L
www.instagram.com/reel/DJB0EoNS78L/?igsh=bHhwZmllaGhkZ3By
Select to expand quotepohaku said..
Flat water start on the .5'6 at 62L
www.instagram.com/reel/DJB0EoNS78L/?igsh=bHhwZmllaGhkZ3By
Impressive as He--, but I think that flat water start had nothing to do with the board's shape.
Here was 8 years old Kalama tech:
Everything has landed! Sunday crew will get their boards and I will post more photos etc
Select to expand quoteninjatuna said..
Please post some pics of that CP model. The 7'5" one.
Okay will do against the 7'5 VP V2 cuda. My dad uses with a foil drive so will give him the CP for a comparison.
Select to expand quoteninjatuna said..
Please post some pics of that CP model. The 7'5" one.
CP 7'5 next to the VP V2 7'5
