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Armstrong HA1125 front wing

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Created by Pat WA 1965 > 9 months ago, 10 Mar 2021
Jeffs256
NSW, 57 posts
3 May 2021 11:59AM
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Just to correct myself - the wing/fuse holes need no drilling, you can mount HA/V2 straight on the old A-minus fuse, with the barrel nut easily tightening from the upper side.
Haven't looked at it - but probably not hard to drill V1 wings countersunk hole to keep everything standard.

I've had half a dozen prone sessions on the HA, trying out both my stabs (232 and KDM13) and TTF shims (0 & +1) (72M and TC60)

Bit of lesson in humility, as the 1125 responds so directly to front/rear weight shifts. With my HS wings, when I stuff up popping up with my feet too far back, I'd reposition my front foot by lifting and planting it fwd. With HA any foot off the wax is breach or nosedive - now it's a weird shuffle to keep weight on the deck. Might also be my stumpy 72cm mast isn't helping?

So after some work on getting a clean pop-up and calming any movement, the reward is phenomenal glide. Last weekend was the first time after my last wave in from Makaha, I've walked back east to get to the start of the path and the swell was only just waist high. Never glided so high on the mast, looking around to work out if I was still on a wave. I'm not a pump demon, but the HA goes so quick on the 10 or so pumps I can link together that I'm going twice the distance. But the last pump for me is a straight flop-down, board-smacking stall. Same outcome trying to jump up and get a quick take-off pump when you're just behind the peak. Swapped with a much better foiler then me for a few waves - he was pumping his Signature 210 around like an efoil, but his feedback was the KDM13 tail was too small to get drive, and he stalled the HA1125 out for his first long paddle back of the morning. But he was frothing at the speed and glide!

Really enjoying the HA1125 in small surf, and still trying to work out if there's a better/bigger tail/shim combo to get it on rail at speed. I'm blowing heaps of top turns the HS1050 would tip into without thinking. Interested to hear if anyone's been surfing the full HA and V200 combo?

kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
3 May 2021 1:53PM
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Yep Ive been on the 1125/v200 tail with 60 fuse 72 mast.Amazing glide ,speed and pump. It will collapse if you are going too slow and try to pump it hard ,or in a rip going with the current. Still getting used to it and I agree with your comments regarding it being sensitive in pitch and foot placement. I have been able to turn it with the mast position back further but not like the other foils. Took it out wake foiling and it was almost too fast, as the speed others foils were Comfortable at it was almost stalling. It does pump fast and cover lots of ground quickly which is great, but I have to admit it's taking me a little while to get used to it.I can definitely see the potential in it , I just need to get used to the HA feel.

Jeffs256
NSW, 57 posts
4 May 2021 9:54AM
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Great to hear Kobo - what sort of difference have do think the v200 tail makes, other than being able to play some face-melting air guitar?

kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
4 May 2021 3:57PM
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Dunno , I swapped back to the 212 tail on the 1125 and can't say I noticed any difference but it was a short sesh in crappy conditions, I'll probs know more when I pair it with the 1250 which I'm very familiar with.

ibid
NSW, 136 posts
4 May 2021 9:19PM
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Great on water review

Jeffs256
NSW, 57 posts
5 May 2021 5:03PM
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That's a REALLY great review! I've wasted enough time watching guys in showrooms talking, so good to see someone doing the walkin!

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
6 May 2021 6:40AM
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Jesus that fella has the cardio of a race horse. My eye balls are rolling around in my head when pumping like that. Sick review.

kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
4 Jun 2021 11:21PM
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Using the 1125 with 72 mast 50 fuse v200 tail +1. Im 80kg and I've found the perfect combo for me with the 1125 finally. The other big Ahh moment was sliding the mast to the back of the tracks which improved the control enormously and didn't effect the pump which surprised me. Having some amazing pumping speeds and endless glides on nothing with nice control and good turns finally. All I can say is persevere until you find the setup that works because the rewards on this wing are amazing and like nothing else I've experienced.

Jeffs256
NSW, 57 posts
5 Jun 2021 8:51AM
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kobo said..
Using the 1125 with 72 mast 50 fuse v200 tail +1. Im 80kg and I've found the perfect combo for me with the 1125 finally.


Great news Kobo. Did you go A+?
I'm still switching stuff to loosen the 1125 up. Amazing how just 2 stabs, 2 shims and box positions gives a million permutations to consider. I've rebuilt a delta stab off my original 2018 alibaba foil to even give that a run soon. I'll post a photo as its a terrible conversion to the Armstrong fuse mount, but who wants to waste carbon fibre??

Im still A-minus but got the conversion kit to drill the bottom barrel nut onto my v1 wings for extra clamping. Super easy with a trick hollow M6 screw that is a perfect drill guide. Armie is an engineering genius! Any other OEM would have given you a bit of sticky tape and a mallet.

kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
5 Jun 2021 6:10PM
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No I'm on old fuses with no problem, I drilled a 3.5 mm through the center of a countersunk m6 screw and used it to drill a pilot holes in my other 4 wings and convert them to take the barrel nut. Don't need an extra screw in the mast as it's never got loose or been a problem.

Jeffs256
NSW, 57 posts
7 Jun 2021 11:27AM
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Here's the Alibaba leftover. It's a monster size, so the result was amazing pump, not that I'm that good in the first place. On the downside it was like riding a 12' mal! Surprisingly didn't split in half - the mount involved grinding off half the centre then filling with epoxy and glass, covering with tape, then squeeze the shim down into the setting resin to get some Angle of attack result. Drill pilot holes then run an M6 tap into the hard resin. Strangely good outcome other than turning, which is a problem for prone foiling. But the pump Is so much better on the 1125 - way less sensitive to over pushing. Experiment done, I'm going to get a V200!



kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
16 Jul 2021 7:24PM
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For anyone riding the 1125 interested in some great pumping tips

toppleover
QLD, 2067 posts
16 Jul 2021 7:42PM
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kobo said..
For anyone riding the 1125 interested in some great pumping tips


That was awsome, the 1125 looks like a pumping machine - when will you give me a go on yours ?

kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
16 Jul 2021 8:33PM
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toppleover said..

kobo said..
For anyone riding the 1125 interested in some great pumping tips



That was awsome, the 1125 looks like a pumping machine - when will you give me a go on yours ?


Soon as can be arranged, I'm keen to ride the Kujira too.

hilly
WA, 7857 posts
17 Jul 2021 10:07AM
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The chop works to help turning. Apparently a mate took 30mm off each end.

kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
17 Jul 2021 1:53PM
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The chop works to help turning. Apparently a mate took 30mm off each end.


Chopped my 1250 and loved it, not touching the 1125 don't want to risk losing any pump or glide. If I want to turn in the pocket I'll ride the 1250/1050

eppo
WA, 9686 posts
17 Jul 2021 2:50PM
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I've got a chopped 1250 and a non chopped now. Had a prone on the non chopped today. I swear I was going a lot faster and the glide was significantly better. But in serious stuff (and winging in swell) it seems the chopped does do what it doesn't say on the packet lol.



jesus we are chopping our 1125 now.

MidAtlanticFoil
818 posts
19 Jul 2021 9:39AM
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Don't chop your 1125.for at least a few weeks. Additional options are likely.

frenchfoiler
505 posts
8 Aug 2021 3:30PM
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Any reviews of this foil for Sup foil DW ??

hilly
WA, 7857 posts
8 Aug 2021 5:54PM
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Any reviews of this foil for Sup foil DW ??


Dinged it today it was awesome to ride tiny chop downwind. I would guess it would be the best DW Armie foil.

kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
8 Aug 2021 9:00PM
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Can't wait till summer to get a chance to ride DW on it. Pretty sure it will be very good.Hoping to do some short prone DW on it as it pumps easy and goes fast. Not sure how it would go SUP DW might be hard to get started with a paddle as it's stall speed is higher than 1850/1250.

Johndesu
NSW, 561 posts
9 Aug 2021 9:32AM
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Can't wait till summer to get a chance to ride DW on it. Pretty sure it will be very good.Hoping to do some short prone DW on it as it pumps easy and goes fast. Not sure how it would go SUP DW might be hard to get started with a paddle as it's stall speed is higher than 1850/1250.


Yes Kobo but if you had the push & speed on take off do you think the 1125 would be fine/good - would it pump better then the 1250 & 1550 (that I have) would it be harder to pump or similar / different as I want to foil my sup on super small swell etc?:-)

hilly
WA, 7857 posts
9 Aug 2021 7:57AM
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Johndesu said..would it pump better then the 1250 & 1550 (that I have)

Yes



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Johndesu said..would it be harder to pump or similar / different as I want to foil my sup on super small swell etc?:-)

Different technique to pump and it is super fun on small waves, not so fun on larger waves. Extremely fast and hard to turn at speed.

Johndesu
NSW, 561 posts
9 Aug 2021 10:27AM
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hilly said..

Johndesu said..would it pump better then the 1250 & 1550 (that I have)


Yes




Johndesu said..would it be harder to pump or similar / different as I want to foil my sup on super small swell etc?:-)


Different technique to pump and it is super fun on small waves, not so fun on larger waves. Extremely fast and hard to turn at speed.


Yes thanks sounds good as I will only want to use it on small waves & I can handle the turning no worries just have to find a second hand one (I missed out a while back as I was not sure at that time:-)

kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
9 Aug 2021 11:51AM
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Yes 1850/1550 would be better for SUP on super small waves/swell

Johndesu
NSW, 561 posts
9 Aug 2021 1:54PM
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kobo said..
Yes 1850/1550 would be better for SUP on super small waves/swell


Kobo so you think the 1850 & 1550v2 would be better on a sup (light weight sup with (65kg rider with Foil Drive paddle assist?:-)

kobo
NSW, 1107 posts
9 Aug 2021 5:02PM
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Johndesu said..

kobo said..
Yes 1850/1550 would be better for SUP on super small waves/swell



Kobo so you think the 1850 & 1550v2 would be better on a sup (light weight sup with (65kg rider with Foil Drive paddle assist?:-)


Can't really answer that , I have no experience with foil drive paddle assist , all I can say is @ 80 kg on a SUP in small waves with paddle , personally I would go 1550/1850, because of the early lift and easy handling. The 1125 is very efficient and creates good lift once it gets going, but it would stall on smaller waves and it's not as surfy as the other 2.

hilly
WA, 7857 posts
9 Aug 2021 3:40PM
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kobo said..

Johndesu said..


kobo said..
Yes 1850/1550 would be better for SUP on super small waves/swell




Kobo so you think the 1850 & 1550v2 would be better on a sup (light weight sup with (65kg rider with Foil Drive paddle assist?:-)



Can't really answer that , I have no experience with foil drive paddle assist , all I can say is @ 80 kg on a SUP in small waves with paddle , personally I would go 1550/1850, because of the early lift and easy handling. The 1125 is very efficient and creates good lift once it gets going, but it would stall on smaller waves and it's not as surfy as the other 2.

I would not go near the 1850 at 65kg. Slow and hard to turn. Once the 1125 is up and going it generates so much speed makes small waves fun and the pump is amazing as per video above.

Johndesu
NSW, 561 posts
9 Aug 2021 7:11PM
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hilly said..

kobo said..


Johndesu said..



kobo said..
Yes 1850/1550 would be better for SUP on super small waves/swell





Kobo so you think the 1850 & 1550v2 would be better on a sup (light weight sup with (65kg rider with Foil Drive paddle assist?:-)




Can't really answer that , I have no experience with foil drive paddle assist , all I can say is @ 80 kg on a SUP in small waves with paddle , personally I would go 1550/1850, because of the early lift and easy handling. The 1125 is very efficient and creates good lift once it gets going, but it would stall on smaller waves and it's not as surfy as the other 2.


I would not go near the 1850 at 65kg. Slow and hard to turn. Once the 1125 is up and going it generates so much speed makes small waves fun and the pump is amazing as per video above.


Ok thanks again yes I think I will definitely keep a look out for a second hand 1125 asap:-)

wicka
VIC, 85 posts
9 Aug 2021 8:02PM
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There's a second hand 1125 for sale in Melbourne if your interested. It's my mates nick. I can dm the link if you like?



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