Select to expand quotehipopp said..AzureF305 said..
"Jode he wants me to pay him for sleeping get real"
So what - do you expect him to stay awake for 168 hours straight while he safely delivers your boat??. Dont be an idiot -of course he'll need to sleep, but he'll be lucky to catch 20mins at a time whilst ensuring the safety of your vessel and getting it delivered in the shortest possible time - probly much quicker than if you sailed it.
again someone jumps to conclusions...i taught myself everything in life...now i will teach myself blue water sailing by observing others. I am the owner of the boat and will be the crew for delivery. Yuo must be of the younger generation saying that. Life has become merely the expression of opinions not knowledge and so far this thread has been all that. No one should expect payment for doing nothing especially sleeping. The deliverer will be on for 8 hour shifts not full time. What you are really saying is that i am incapable of learning to sail on the ocean. strange days. Now the moderator has not put up my previous post as well.
Do you really think I'm going to sleep at night while surfing down 5 meter southern ocean waves with you on the helm/tiller holding coarse for Robe? Your dreaming mate.
Select to expand quotehipopp said..AzureF305 said..
"Jode he wants me to pay him for sleeping get real"
So what - do you expect him to stay awake for 168 hours straight while he safely delivers your boat??. Dont be an idiot -of course he'll need to sleep, but he'll be lucky to catch 20mins at a time whilst ensuring the safety of your vessel and getting it delivered in the shortest possible time - probly much quicker than if you sailed it.
again someone jumps to conclusions...i taught myself everything in life...now i will teach myself blue water sailing by observing others. I am the owner of the boat and will be the crew for delivery. Yuo must be of the younger generation saying that. Life has become merely the expression of opinions not knowledge and so far this thread has been all that. No one should expect payment for doing nothing especially sleeping. The deliverer will be on for 8 hour shifts not full time. What you are really saying is that i am incapable of learning to sail on the ocean. strange days. Now the moderator has not put up my previous post as well.
Go for it. I taught myself too but also grew up on the water and under it living to weather and swell. Hope it goes great for you.
I've done coastal trips and I've had a boat trucked from Sydney to eastern Victoria ($4 500 all up including travel lifts, rigging help) because the reliability of the rig, motor, rails, etc was not up to scratch. The perils of buying a cheap boat.
A delivery skipper needs to be paid for all the hours, because even while having 20 minute catnaps, they are still in charge of your asset, and the risk to their life.
The cheapest way to move the yacht will be to train yourself to sail that yacht in coastal trips, first in Adelaide for a few months. Then in the better summer weather you might hop along the coast yourself in good weather. A truck will be the next cheapest option. There is no mention of the final destination in Victoria, nor of the condition of the yacht. Most problems occur on delivery trips when not every bit of repair and maintenance has been done to a newly-purchased yacht. There is no such thing as an 8 hour shift on a yacht. It is 24 hours non-stop, until hours after reaching port.
Bitching about a professional - lawyer, doctor, brain/heart surgeon, etc is to not appreciate all the training, risk, etc they do for you.
Select to expand quotesaltiest1 said..hipopp said..AzureF305 said..
"Jode he wants me to pay him for sleeping get real"
So what - do you expect him to stay awake for 168 hours straight while he safely delivers your boat??. Dont be an idiot -of course he'll need to sleep, but he'll be lucky to catch 20mins at a time whilst ensuring the safety of your vessel and getting it delivered in the shortest possible time - probly much quicker than if you sailed it.
again someone jumps to conclusions...i taught myself everything in life...now i will teach myself blue water sailing by observing others. I am the owner of the boat and will be the crew for delivery. Yuo must be of the younger generation saying that. Life has become merely the expression of opinions not knowledge and so far this thread has been all that. No one should expect payment for doing nothing especially sleeping. The deliverer will be on for 8 hour shifts not full time. What you are really saying is that i am incapable of learning to sail on the ocean. strange days. Now the moderator has not put up my previous post as well.
Go for it. I taught myself too but also grew up on the water and under it living to weather and swell. Hope it goes great for you.
At 71 with no offshore experience? You kidding me, I'm friends with Ian sanders he's 75 been round the would 10 times currently stuck in panama on his 11th round trip. He is experienced!
Select to expand quotehipopp said..AzureF305 said..
"Jode he wants me to pay him for sleeping get real"
So what - do you expect him to stay awake for 168 hours straight while he safely delivers your boat??. Dont be an idiot -of course he'll need to sleep, but he'll be lucky to catch 20mins at a time whilst ensuring the safety of your vessel and getting it delivered in the shortest possible time - probly much quicker than if you sailed it.
again someone jumps to conclusions...i taught myself everything in life...now i will teach myself blue water sailing by observing others. I am the owner of the boat and will be the crew for delivery. Yuo must be of the younger generation saying that. Life has become merely the expression of opinions not knowledge and so far this thread has been all that. No one should expect payment for doing nothing especially sleeping. The deliverer will be on for 8 hour shifts not full time. What you are really saying is that i am incapable of learning to sail on the ocean. strange days. Now the moderator has not put up my previous post as well.
Delusional, absolutely devoid of either knowledge or experience.
The last delivery was 210 hours port lincoln S.A to Perth on 60 foot cat. They payied for fuel 1200 literes and my flights home back to Adelaide. We only had one window and was short notice in September. We got to middle islands just before a change 25 to 30 sw anchor wouldn't hold. I had to make a decision to head due south to Antarctic for the night and then head back into Albury the next day.scary **** but they got there boat in one piece for Christmas. It's not easy deliverying yachts mate.
This thread has got to be a total wind up surely..........but has been totally entertaining all the same..............
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This thread has got to be a total wind up surely..........but has been totally entertaining all the same..............
Was another guy last year trying to sail round Australia in a 20k concrete boat ended up sinking at Gabo island and getting insurance pay out. He's got a new 20k boat trying again from Sydney. Entertaining.
Select to expand quotehipopp said..AzureF305 said..
"Jode he wants me to pay him for sleeping get real"
So what - do you expect him to stay awake for 168 hours straight while he safely delivers your boat??. Dont be an idiot -of course he'll need to sleep, but he'll be lucky to catch 20mins at a time whilst ensuring the safety of your vessel and getting it delivered in the shortest possible time - probly much quicker than if you sailed it.
again someone jumps to conclusions...i taught myself everything in life...now i will teach myself blue water sailing by observing others. I am the owner of the boat and will be the crew for delivery. Yuo must be of the younger generation saying that. Life has become merely the expression of opinions not knowledge and so far this thread has been all that. No one should expect payment for doing nothing especially sleeping. The deliverer will be on for 8 hour shifts not full time. What you are really saying is that i am incapable of learning to sail on the ocean. strange days. Now the moderator has not put up my previous post as well.
8 hours on 8 hours off, even an experienced skipper would struggle with that, let alone a 71 year old inexperienced helmsman. You could not rely on the autohelm in anything over 12kn of breeze. When racing say Sydney to Hobart we do 3 hours on 3 hours off and that 3 hours is split to 2 experienced helmsman steering 90 minutes each. My advice is if you and some mates can not do it yourselves, stick it on a truck.
From my experience, winter time, Bass Strait has the longest periods of calms.
If you have plenty of time, you might end up motoring.
There are plenty of shelters along the way.
By the way , I used to own Duncanson29 ,,Cascade,,it's a strong, very capable boat. Old fashion long keel, you don't need autopilot.
Make sure the engine is up to task.
Select to expand quotehipopp said..AzureF305 said..
"Jode he wants me to pay him for sleeping get real"
So what - do you expect him to stay awake for 168 hours straight while he safely delivers your boat??. Dont be an idiot -of course he'll need to sleep, but he'll be lucky to catch 20mins at a time whilst ensuring the safety of your vessel and getting it delivered in the shortest possible time - probly much quicker than if you sailed it.
again someone jumps to conclusions...i taught myself everything in life...now i will teach myself blue water sailing by observing others. I am the owner of the boat and will be the crew for delivery. Yuo must be of the younger generation saying that. Life has become merely the expression of opinions not knowledge and so far this thread has been all that. No one should expect payment for doing nothing especially sleeping. The deliverer will be on for 8 hour shifts not full time. What you are really saying is that i am incapable of learning to sail on the ocean. strange days. Now the moderator has not put up my previous post as well.
I don't think anyone is saying you can't learn to sail seaward of sheltered waters, of course you can, best look up martime awards they are structured to reflect the fact that even of watch you could be called apon, and you could fill a book with senarios to call the skipper. 8 hr shifts work out for 3 watch keepers. And I think the milage rate to be in your favour if there's any lay up for any reason
Waste of time doing a ticket learning all the ins and outs and then have some old retired bloke say he doesn't want to pay the money for our services . What a joke. Maybe he just slushed a few to many red wines!
Hipopp, most people who have replied have been on Seabreeze for a long time, and are really trying to give you good advice.
If you wanna learn, you should listen.
There's a wealth of knowledge here, and guess what, it's for free!
Select to expand quoteshoodbegood said..
Hipopp, most people who have replied have been on Seabreeze for a long time, and are really trying to give you good advice.
If you wanna learn, you should listen.
There's a wealth of knowledge here, and guess what, it's for free!
fine advice but i still will not pay someone to sleep delivering my boat. How dare the service provider dictate to me the client. I did not hire anyone here so why the suggestion i go elsewhere. I have never met southace but from his posts i see he is into justifying his outrageous rates to "cover the time he is not working". that is the only beef i have expressed here and it is not just delivery folk it goes right through the community in charges not related to the actual work done. In otherwords a Self Subsidy. No thanks neither i nor the country can afford it. I will learn to sail bluewater myself cannot be any different to the gross conditions on the gippsland lakes in heavy weather other than height of waves. Short sharp high sided chop here with fear of bottoming more dangerous than height of sea waves. Boats are built to handle offshore. Also sailing these lakes non stop at night in 20 hour shifts is no different to offshore i reckon..
Select to expand quoteCharriot said..
By the way , I used to own Duncanson29 ,,Cascade,,it's a strong, very capable boat. Old fashion long keel, you don't need autopilot.
Make sure the engine is up to task.
Hi Charriot, I haven't found a boat yet that some form of autopilot is not an aid on long hauls, whether it be mechanical or electrical. I have also still to find a boat that will happily sailing for any length of time in the slightest sea with no aids. I have sailed a Duncanson 29 and I actually thought it was a pig of a boat in a quarter and following sea, though I must say I have never been a lover of the older designed boats, the same as having a new Porsche over an EH Holden. The Holden may be rock solid but the Porsche is a lot nicer to drive and the same goes for boats. Of all the boats I have owned, my current 57' boat is the only boat I would trust to sail down wind in over 20kn and a big sea with an autopilot. Like a lot of racing sailors I love to steer when racing but rarely hand steer when cruising.
PS I don't mean to say that owing an older style boat is not the way to go as a lot people love their boats and get a lot of enjoyment out of them and that is all that really matters.
Select to expand quoteJode5 said..Charriot said..
By the way , I used to own Duncanson29 ,,Cascade,,it's a strong, very capable boat. Old fashion long keel, you don't need autopilot.
Make sure the engine is up to task.
Hi Charriot, I haven't found a boat yet that some form of autopilot is not an aid on long hauls, whether it be mechanical or electrical. I have also still to find a boat that will happily sailing for any length of time in the slightest sea with no aids. I have sailed a Duncanson 29 and I actually thought it was a pig of a boat in a quarter and following sea, though I must say I have never been a lover of the older designed boats, the same as having a new Porsche over an EH Holden. The Holden may be rock solid but the Porsche is a lot nicer to drive and the same goes for boats. Of all the boats I have owned, my current 57' boat is the only boat I would trust to sail down wind in over 20kn and a big sea with an autopilot. Like a lot of racing sailors I love to steer when racing but rarely hand steer when cruising.
PS I don't mean to say that owing an older style boat is not the way to go as a lot people love their boats and get a lot of enjoyment out of them and that is all that really matters.
DYOR but the dunc is like all the older solid boats with a comfort factor of about 40. All the modern faster boats have a factor of a mere knee wobbling stomach heaving 20
Select to expand quotehipopp said..shoodbegood said..
Hipopp, most people who have replied have been on Seabreeze for a long time, and are really trying to give you good advice.
If you wanna learn, you should listen.
There's a wealth of knowledge here, and guess what, it's for free!
fine advice but i still will not pay someone to sleep delivering my boat. How dare the service provider dictate to me the client. I did not hire anyone here so why the suggestion i go elsewhere. I have never met southace but from his posts i see he is into justifying his outrageous rates to "cover the time he is not working". that is the only beef i have expressed here and it is not just delivery folk it goes right through the community in charges not related to the actual work done. In otherwords a Self Subsidy. No thanks neither i nor the country can afford it. I will learn to sail bluewater myself cannot be any different to the gross conditions on the gippsland lakes in heavy weather other than height of waves. Short sharp high sided chop here with fear of bottoming more dangerous than height of sea waves. Boats are built to handle offshore. Also sailing these lakes non stop at night in 20 hour shifts is no different to offshore i reckon..
As someone who has owned keelboats and previously raced a 3/4 tonner actively with the ORCV including two Westcoasters and now sail solo a Sonata ts I believe I am qualified to advise you fiddling around on the Gippsland lakes on a ts and being out in the Ocean are worlds apart.
By the way I'm 76 so I am also qualified to say your being a silly old man ....or is this just a wind up? 
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..hipopp said..shoodbegood said..
Hipopp, most people who have replied have been on Seabreeze for a long time, and are really trying to give you good advice.
If you wanna learn, you should listen.
There's a wealth of knowledge here, and guess what, it's for free!
fine advice but i still will not pay someone to sleep delivering my boat. How dare the service provider dictate to me the client. I did not hire anyone here so why the suggestion i go elsewhere. I have never met southace but from his posts i see he is into justifying his outrageous rates to "cover the time he is not working". that is the only beef i have expressed here and it is not just delivery folk it goes right through the community in charges not related to the actual work done. In otherwords a Self Subsidy. No thanks neither i nor the country can afford it. I will learn to sail bluewater myself cannot be any different to the gross conditions on the gippsland lakes in heavy weather other than height of waves. Short sharp high sided chop here with fear of bottoming more dangerous than height of sea waves. Boats are built to handle offshore. Also sailing these lakes non stop at night in 20 hour shifts is no different to offshore i reckon..
As someone who has owned keelboats and previously raced a 3/4 tonner actively with the ORCV including two Westcoasters and now sail solo a Sonata ts I believe I am qualified to advise you fiddling around on the Gippsland lakes on a ts and being out in the Ocean are worlds apart.
By the way I'm 76 so I am also qualified to say your being a silly old man ....or is this just a wind up?
not sure what you mean by that but being 76 you must be sillier than me i reckon...we get that way being silly old men...freely admit it. I have watched hours of utube bluewater sailing and there is not much of a drama among those sailors. One norwegian chap even makes a point of going into the north sea alone just to film hi s battle with storms and huge seas. No drama. His advice was that personal fear is what is to overcome and i can accept that. The boats are meant to float any boat not to sink unless swamped side on or pitch poled. Just needs alert tiller work from what i can see. So what is the problem? As for the lakes they still havent found a number of trailer sailers in lake victoria. The short length waves are relentless. I sailed a southerly 23 fixed keelboat for the first time and it was fully three times easier to sail than my gorgeous timpenny lift keel 23 footer. It was extremely stable and did not bounce like a cork. obviously designed for the ocean.
I think you are referring to Eriks venture out into wild winds. I have seen that video. Its a great vid and impressive by Erik. However...
There was a great vid on one of the round the world racers on here not long ago. His name I forget. He was on a large Radford. Go do yourself a favour and watch that one. Closer to what you can expect on a bad day in the Southern.
Ive been in it and its no fun. I would hate to be in a 29ft cork. Good luck to you hippop. Your attitude is remarkably spirited however your obvious trolling is obvious. Youve got a bait out as big as Ive seen.
Stop your whining and just do it....as they say actions speak louder than words....will be looking for your future posts....gonna be fun...either way.
Edit....on the sleep thing...a good captain never really ever sleeps. Your a stinge and think everyone owes you a favour. Suck it up as reality bud.
Don't forget to stamp your time card every time your watch is over can't have you qualified sleeping on the job!
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like i said service industries charge unrelated to the work done...the general workforce gets laid off retrenched replaced by technology but the priveleged charge what they like. A solicitor group charged me $900 an hour for their services and helped themselves to half of a compensation payment. Gerroffit!! and a yacht delivery skipper wants to be paid for time off?? he can get a part time job at $800 a week and do deliveries in his spare time like the rest of us would have to do. At least the respondent here admitted that that it is his expectation of being paid for downtime. Our economy is becoming totally unproductive following the US model but the joke is that the US is subsidised by the rest of the world to the tune of 25% of their standard of living by the rest of the world re worlds reserve currency. They create non productive jobs all over the place and give away real workers jobs. What do you think the current riots are over? I choose not to subsidise anyone...they can earn their keep like I have to.hipopp said..
like i said service industries charge unrelated to the work done...the general workforce gets laid off retrenched replaced by technology but the priveleged charge what they like. A solicitor group charged me $900 an hour for their services and helped themselves to half of a compensation payment. Gerroffit!! and a yacht delivery skipper wants to be paid for time off?? he can get a part time job at $800 a week and do deliveries in his spare time like the rest of us would have to do. At least the respondent here admitted that that it is his expectation of being paid for downtime. Our economy is becoming totally unproductive following the US model but the joke is that the US is subsidised by the rest of the world to the tune of 25% of their standard of living by the rest of the world re worlds reserve currency. They create non productive jobs all over the place and give away real workers jobs. What do you think the current riots are over? I choose not to subsidise anyone...they can earn their keep like I have to.
Gees and I charge $35 to $45 before tax to antifoul , polish and maintain lazy people's boats that don't want to do the work or have no idea. You have purchased a cheap 80s dunc 29 , I hope you got a survey report on the condition and a valuation.
Welcome to the world of boats. If you don't do the work yourself you need to be rich and not gripe about the bills.
I only do deliverys to help people out and they trust me and pay my invoices. I wouldn't do a delivery for someone that has gripes about paying the money I deserve. If I get holed up in Robe for 4 days on your little Dunc I expect to get paid not voluntarily.
like i said earlier in the post you consider yourself priveleged. You charge 35 [ 45 an hour which is on the high side of the wage spectrum for what is basically a lowly qualified job. People pay others because they do not have the time or other reasons they cannot do the job themselves. like a previous respondent said...do your own brain surgery or are you too lazy...then fix your own car and home computer and tv when it breaks down etc etc etc. I detect that sound of privelege totally lacking in any social conscience or morality and charging what you like. Dont come to me with your uncontrollable sobbing when the new generation gets their way and turns us into a soviet socialist state. We are getting this idea in our local paper right now. The fact will always remain that as a consumer I have lost any control over the amount of money I pay for goods and services and this now includes buying a yacht. And you business people were going to get tax cuts at my expense? gerroffitt!!!! The absolute bottom line is that what you priveleged people want to charge is all borrowed money that will need to be paid back. The sooner we get back to a productive non subsidised country the better. Subsidies for the rich of course and the lackeys of the capitalist running dogs so to speak. Looks like my foray into offshore yachting might be terminated because of one and only one reason...I will not pay someone for work not done. regards and over and out.
Gees so what what's your question on this post again? Your asking for a cheap alternative delivery service? The cheapest for you would be do it yourself. If you want it delivered to your door you need to pay. Logistics of delivery skippers is a pain. Haven't even facted in flights , hotels, fuel.
i want to pay for a delivery not a holiday!!!!!!!!
If you think sleeping on a delivery is a bludge you don't know much. Do the delivery yourself and stop wasting people's time on this site. And if you have to be rescued, be decent enough to pay for it.
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Now the moderator has not put up my previous post as well.
The moderator didn't do such a thing. The moderator was at work all evening. The moderator is now at home. Sleep it off and come back in the morning.
