Most yachts are sturdier than any crew that gets thrown on board !!! The crew will falter before any yacht !!
Select to expand quoteshaggybaxter said..
An interesting side topic, Pogo have debuted a 32ft power boat using their sailboat hull construction techniques.
Hull is a 25mm vacuum infused foam core layup, same construction technique as their sailboats. Complete with chine!
32 ft long, weighs in at 1750kgs with motor and cruises at 12 knots using 1/2 litre per mile with a Penta 75HP.
That's a sturdy construction for a stinkboat for a minimal weight penalty. And that was due to Christian, the guy who owns Pogo being a very talented composites engineer.
They need to work on the ugly factor a bit!
Looking at a few of the newer boats these days it seems ugly is the new chic . They are probably onto a winner with that boat.
Select to expand quotetroubadour said..
As a shipwright and surveyor based on some of the structural things I have seen I would not go past Sydney heads on a French yacht starting with "B".
If you want an Aussie built boat that will take you anywhere I would be looking at a "Jarkan"built yacht. Not too flashy but practical and well built.
Hope the speling iz okay????
Happy New Year everyone - Lighten up. 
ztop it with that zpellin yoo! Happy New Year you too
Select to expand quoteJolene said..Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines..
agree,,,, What is a gauge for sturdiness?
the definition what sturdy means
Select to expand quoteSeebreasy73 said..Jolene said..Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines..
agree,,,, What is a gauge for sturdiness?
the definition what sturdy means
Given the Australian males inate ability and mastery of DIY projects I am going to put up the home built ferro of the 70,s as the sturdiest vessel that a very any amount of money can buy.
Select to expand quoteSeebreasy73 said..Jolene said..Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines..
agree,,,, What is a gauge for sturdiness?
the definition what sturdy means
yeah,,, and what determines the definition?
What are the tests that gauge sturdiness?
Select to expand quoteJolene said..Seebreasy73 said..Jolene said..Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines..
agree,,,, What is a gauge for sturdiness?
the definition what sturdy means
yeah,,, and what determines the definition?
What are the tests that gauge sturdiness?
By whatever definition you choose and whatever test used as a gauge the 70's home built ferro will be STURDIER than my French built Beneteau. No if no buts.
Now the test that I am going to put up as a Sturdiness index is to run the vessel onto a coral bommie head at full speed. By that measure the ferro vessel will carve its way at 3.5 knots into the coral and become a permanent edifice marking that spot for the next 100 years. At about 10 + knots my fin keeled Beneteau will rip the keel clean from the hull and shred itself onto the coral leaving as much pollution as the French nuclear tests on Mururoa
Select to expand quotefrant said..Jolene said..Seebreasy73 said..Jolene said..Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines..
agree,,,, What is a gauge for sturdiness?
the definition what sturdy means
yeah,,, and what determines the definition?
What are the tests that gauge sturdiness?
By whatever definition you choose and whatever test used as a gauge the 70's home built ferro will be STURDIER than my French built Beneteau. No if no buts.
Now the test that I am going to put up as a Sturdiness index is to run the vessel onto a coral bommie head at full speed. By that measure the ferro vessel will carve its way at 3.5 nots into the coral and become a permanent edifice marking that spot for the next 100 years. At about 10 + knots my fin keeled Beneteau will rip the keel clean from the hull and shred itself onto the coral leaving as much pollution as the French nuclear tests on Mururoa
Dead right frant ,,,,Exactly my point!!
Select to expand quoteJolene said..Seebreasy73 said..Jolene said..Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines..
agree,,,, What is a gauge for sturdiness?
the definition what sturdy means
yeah,,, and what determines the definition?
What are the tests that gauge sturdiness?
it is determined by it's definition, no measures
sturdy
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adjective
adjective: sturdy; comparative adjective: sturdier; superlative adjective: sturdiest
strong enough to withstand rough work or treatment. <<<
"the bike is sturdy enough to cope with bumpy tracks"
synonyms:robust, strong, strongly made, well built, well made, solid, substantial, stout, sound, serviceable, stable; More
antonyms:weak, ramshackle
Select to expand quoteSandS said..
Most yachts are sturdier than any crew that gets thrown on board !!! The crew will falter before any yacht !!
Plus one for yacht being more sturdy than the crew.
Also a lot of old ocean going yachts from all countries were massively overbuilt because not as much was known about material science, stresses, strains, etc. at the time. (and they had limited access to computers and the detailed numerical analysis that they facilitate).
Wouldn't a steel (or alum) yacht put the old "concrete coffins" to shame @ the bommies?
Was Moitessier wrong about steel?
Can we submit before and after shots?
The French ship of the line Redoubtable , sturdy in their eyes.
Before....
Aaand after.....
Less sturdy! Magic!
The poor French don't never seem to have much luck in times of war, poor souls. I do remember though that some of their French WWII ships were really beautiful... before they lost them all to everyone else.
Select to expand quotePhantom32 said.
Also a lot of old ocean going yachts from all countries were massively overbuilt because not as much was known about material science, stresses, strains, etc. at the time. (and they had limited access to computers and the detailed numerical analysis that they facilitate).
I think this is the comment of the thread....
The old McDonald Douglas DC3 could've been almost half the weight it was if they new as much about aircraft construction then as they do now. The problem is with the old salts attitude towards modern materials and design. It is crusted on harder than the sea salt itself. in both the marine and aviation industries......
Select to expand quotePhantom32 said..SandS said..
Most yachts are sturdier than any crew that gets thrown on board !!! The crew will falter before any yacht !!
Plus one for yacht being more sturdy than the crew.
Also a lot of old ocean going yachts from all countries were massively overbuilt because not as much was known about material science, stresses, strains, etc. at the time. (and they had limited access to computers and the detailed numerical analysis that they facilitate).
out of all the species we humans are one of the most fragile. Doesn't take much to shut down this biological machine...
Select to expand quoteshaggybaxter said..
Can we submit before and after shots?
The French ship of the line Redoubtable , sturdy in their eyes.
Before....
Aaand after.....Less sturdy! Magic!
The poor French don't never seem to have much luck in times of war, poor souls. I do remember though that some of their French WWII ships were really beautiful... before they lost them all to everyone else.
Sacre Bleu ! Shaggy. Form over function, form over function.
If it looks good it will go ok !but who cares it's French flair.
If you were surrounded by Germany , England and Spain ugh.
boring boring boring. The world would be pretty drab without the French. Actually poor old Redoubtable sacrificed herself to save the Flagship knocking off Nelson in the process.
Select to expand quotefrant said..
French sailors are undoubtedly the toughest in the world.
ladies and gents, off the subject again..each nation is great by their own means, merci...
is there a way to create a poll on this site?
Select to expand quotesirgallivant said..
Wouldn't a steel (or alum) yacht put the old "concrete coffins" to shame @ the bommies?
Was Moitessier wrong about steel?
Would be nothing left of either the steel or aluminium after 100 years. Only the mighty ferrocement vessel would display its proud heritage of Australian boatbuilding excellence.
Most of them are already over half a century old and still as good as the day they were built.
Select to expand quoteshaggybaxter said..
Can we submit before and after shots?
The French ship of the line Redoubtable , sturdy in their eyes.
Before....
Aaand after.....Less sturdy! Magic!
The poor French don't never seem to have much luck in times of war, poor souls. I do remember though that some of their French WWII ships were really beautiful... before they lost them all to everyone else.
Now we get to understand why the French have the most vibrant mass production boatbuilding industry. All the boats they build keep sinking. Time to up your insurance policy shaggy.
Select to expand quoteSeebreasy73 said..frant said..
French sailors are undoubtedly the toughest in the world.
ladies and gents, off the subject again..each nation is great by their own means, merci...
is there a way to create a poll on this site?
Keep up there slowcoach. Shaggy showed pictures of French sailors under fire.. you said that human beings are fragile. I put the two together ergo French sailors are the toughest in the world.
Either you and Shaggy both off topic or mine the logical corollary.
I have personally seen the French deliver boats and they have been a total mess sheet ropes and cockpits total mess and Carnige. They don't seem to understand the word ship shape nor that they don't care.but they do deliver the end product to your door if requested.
You get what you pay for. Mass produced French or other boats make yachting accessible to many, myself included. 
I'm not too fussed as long as it gets me off my ass and out on the water.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
I have personally seen the French deliver boats and they have been a total mess sheet ropes and cockpits total mess and Carnige. They don't seem to understand the word ship shape nor that they don't care.but they do deliver the end product to your door if requested.
G'day South,
I know what you mean, but I would argue that this is less to do with a nationality thing than an individual calling the shots. My boat was impeccably delivered by the French, though It's worth mentioning this was direct with a yard with no dealer network, I have no first hand knowledge of the bigger yards with brokers and dealerships.
Does anyone know how McConaghey's are doing? The split was awful to see, and I lost track of them after that.
