Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..ChopesBro said..
I'm reading this thread and seeing boats sold for money they would never have got 18 months ago and thinking
it's true
there is one born every minute 
Yep been running around like a chook with its head cut off trying to buy a boat and I've never looked at so much junk
You have to kiss a lot of frogs that's for sure, but as soon as you walk on board a well kept , well built vessel, you know straight away.
If they are simply not loved , used or maintained, walk away, especially yachts on moorings covered in bird sheet.
Yachts in a berth get well looked after in my experience, if you can find one !
Select to expand quoteChopesBro said..
I'm reading this thread and seeing boats sold for money they would never have got 18 months ago and thinking
it's true
there is one born every minute
And in 18 months time it very well may be reversed, supply and demand Bro , there are always good buys out there , just gotta sift through the junk !
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/shoalhaven-heads/sail-boats/1882-mottle-33-yatch/1266400279
Mottle 33 on a mooring near mine. Good nick and probably good value.
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..r13 said..
Agree.
Note that the Adams 31 is not a sister ship to Plum Crazy. It is a totally Adams design and bigger than Plum Crazy. Joe Adams did the hull and rig and rating of Plum Crazy - Bob Miller did the cabin and interior layout.
Anyone know whether the chain plate knees are substantial as it appears that those knee covers on the Adams 31 are rather small/ not tied down at an appropriate angle to the hull (a la port side Carter 33). Also is it is a slow boat or reasonably quick?
www.sail-world.com/Australia/Wake-for-Joe-Adams-Remembering-a-legend/-106794?source=google
Joe Adams was a brilliant yacht designer. I reckon he knew how to design a chain plate arrangement or two. He taught Graham Radford the art of yacht design. I don't think any of his popular designs, or any for that matter, were "slow". The lines of the 31 would have been developed from the design of Plum Crazy looking at the images of it.
Select to expand quotePerry500 said..julesmoto said..r13 said..
Agree.
Note that the Adams 31 is not a sister ship to Plum Crazy. It is a totally Adams design and bigger than Plum Crazy. Joe Adams did the hull and rig and rating of Plum Crazy - Bob Miller did the cabin and interior layout.
Anyone know whether the chain plate knees are substantial as it appears that those knee covers on the Adams 31 are rather small/ not tied down at an appropriate angle to the hull (a la port side Carter 33). Also is it is a slow boat or reasonably quick?
www.sail-world.com/Australia/Wake-for-Joe-Adams-Remembering-a-legend/-106794?source=google
Joe Adams was a brilliant yacht designer. I reckon he knew how to design a chain plate arrangement or two. He taught Graham Radford the art of yacht design. I don't think any of his popular designs, or any for that matter, were "slow". The lines of the 31 would have been developed from the design of Plum Crazy looking at the images of it.
I agree that Adams was a great designer but the 31 looks much more pot-bellied or IOR than any of his other designs with the only discernible Adam's feature to my eye being the extreme aft placement the rudder. Take away the rudder placement and it looks quite pinched in at the rear which is a very uncharacteristic Adams look. Maybe this was because of the co-design and hence my reason for asking if it was quick. I know pretty much all other Adams designs were quick
Select to expand quoteRamona said..
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/shoalhaven-heads/sail-boats/1882-mottle-33-yatch/1266400279
Mottle 33 on a mooring near mine. Good nick and probably good value.
You didn't mention anything about the battery installation
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..Perry500 said..julesmoto said..r13 said..
Agree.
Note that the Adams 31 is not a sister ship to Plum Crazy. It is a totally Adams design and bigger than Plum Crazy. Joe Adams did the hull and rig and rating of Plum Crazy - Bob Miller did the cabin and interior layout.
Anyone know whether the chain plate knees are substantial as it appears that those knee covers on the Adams 31 are rather small/ not tied down at an appropriate angle to the hull (a la port side Carter 33). Also is it is a slow boat or reasonably quick?
www.sail-world.com/Australia/Wake-for-Joe-Adams-Remembering-a-legend/-106794?source=google
Joe Adams was a brilliant yacht designer. I reckon he knew how to design a chain plate arrangement or two. He taught Graham Radford the art of yacht design. I don't think any of his popular designs, or any for that matter, were "slow". The lines of the 31 would have been developed from the design of Plum Crazy looking at the images of it.
I agree that Adams was a great designer but the 31 looks much more pot-bellied or IOR than any of his other designs with the only discernible Adam's feature to my eye being the extreme aft placement the rudder. Take away the rudder placement and it looks quite pinched in at the rear which is a very uncharacteristic Adams look. Maybe this was because of the co-design and hence my reason for asking if it was quick. I know pretty much all other Adams designs were quick
The 31 is very similar to the Tasman 26 they were both designed around the ton rating.
They are also very similar to the Mottle 33 and the Adams 40.
Select to expand quotetroubadour said..Ramona said.. You didn't mention anything about the battery installation
At least they are in plastic boxes! The covers might be off for the photos. I'll have a word with the owner!
Select to expand quoteRamona said..troubadour said..Ramona said.. You didn't mention anything about the battery installation
At least they are in plastic boxes! The covers might be off for the photos. I'll have a word with the owner!
Select to expand quotetwodogs1969 said..julesmoto said..Perry500 said..julesmoto said..r13 said..
Agree.
Note that the Adams 31 is not a sister ship to Plum Crazy. It is a totally Adams design and bigger than Plum Crazy. Joe Adams did the hull and rig and rating of Plum Crazy - Bob Miller did the cabin and interior layout.
Anyone know whether the chain plate knees are substantial as it appears that those knee covers on the Adams 31 are rather small/ not tied down at an appropriate angle to the hull (a la port side Carter 33). Also is it is a slow boat or reasonably quick?
www.sail-world.com/Australia/Wake-for-Joe-Adams-Remembering-a-legend/-106794?source=google
Joe Adams was a brilliant yacht designer. I reckon he knew how to design a chain plate arrangement or two. He taught Graham Radford the art of yacht design. I don't think any of his popular designs, or any for that matter, were "slow". The lines of the 31 would have been developed from the design of Plum Crazy looking at the images of it.
I agree that Adams was a great designer but the 31 looks much more pot-bellied or IOR than any of his other designs with the only discernible Adam's feature to my eye being the extreme aft placement the rudder. Take away the rudder placement and it looks quite pinched in at the rear which is a very uncharacteristic Adams look. Maybe this was because of the co-design and hence my reason for asking if it was quick. I know pretty much all other Adams designs were quick
The 31 is very similar to the Tasman 26 they were both designed around the ton rating.
They are also very similar to the Mottle 33 and the Adams 40.
To my mind a mottle 33 is an entirely different shape. Finer entry, more vertical stem, not an inkling of IOR, no tumblehome and far broader stern. The only commonality seems to be the rudder right at the rear and angled reawards so as to have its lower regions protruding beyond the rear most extremity of the hull above
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2010-huzar-h28/OAG-AD-19389907/?Cr=0
This is just gorgeous. Way out of my price range, but a man can dream, can't he?
Select to expand quotePlaneray said..
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2010-huzar-h28/OAG-AD-19389907/?Cr=0
This is just gorgeous. Way out of my price range, but a man can dream, can't he?
Meh...too much teak. Burnt feet, asses and heaps of maintenance.
Otherwise a nice boat.
Interesting links below including seat tops folded out to the side decks to avoid the singed rear............
wwdesign.eu/html/h28.html
silentboats.eu/huzars/
Really struggling to see enough market for this configuration 28 footer at $90K.............as in one of the above links the basic version at maybe 1/2 that price could do better..........but even then JPK are offering a lot better value hopefully they will do well locally built.......I have nothing to do with JPK but if were them would strongly look at including a bare basic 9-9.5m racer cruiser in the Aust build program.
www.mysailing.com.au/boats/jpk-yachts-now-proudly-made-in-australia
Select to expand quoter13 said..
Interesting links below including seat tops folded out to the side decks to avoid the singed rear............
wwdesign.eu/html/h28.html
silentboats.eu/huzars/
Really struggling to see enough market for this configuration 28 footer at $90K.............as in one of the above links the basic version at maybe 1/2 that price could do better..........but even then JPK are offering a lot better value hopefully they will do well locally built.......I have nothing to do with JPK but if were them would strongly look at including a bare basic 9-9.5m racer cruiser in the Aust build program.
www.mysailing.com.au/boats/jpk-yachts-now-proudly-made-in-australia
Reality check here
a new etchell close to 150k
pricing on the jpk built in Australia is $600 k in the start line for a cat 1 or 2 race
I have done the jpk pricing
Righto, got it, thanks.
So what could be the absolute lowest sail away price for one of these now - just for local club racing (Sat and twilights), main, genoa and jib, asymm kite, retractable prodder. 10hp shaft drive diesel. Bunk cushions, basic electrics, cat 7 safety, that's it.
www.elliott-marine.com/assets/Uploads/Elliott9-Cruising-racing-yacht-design-marine-GregElliott-sailboat-keelboat.pdf
Select to expand quoteRamona said..
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/shoalhaven-heads/sail-boats/1882-mottle-33-yatch/1266400279
Mottle 33 on a mooring near mine. Good nick and probably good value.
I had a look at the advert. Must admit it is tempting to get a boat like that. As rugged as the S&S but better space.
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..twodogs1969 said..julesmoto said..Perry500 said..julesmoto said..r13 said..
Agree.
Note that the Adams 31 is not a sister ship to Plum Crazy. It is a totally Adams design and bigger than Plum Crazy. Joe Adams did the hull and rig and rating of Plum Crazy - Bob Miller did the cabin and interior layout.
Anyone know whether the chain plate knees are substantial as it appears that those knee covers on the Adams 31 are rather small/ not tied down at an appropriate angle to the hull (a la port side Carter 33). Also is it is a slow boat or reasonably quick?
www.sail-world.com/Australia/Wake-for-Joe-Adams-Remembering-a-legend/-106794?source=google
Joe Adams was a brilliant yacht designer. I reckon he knew how to design a chain plate arrangement or two. He taught Graham Radford the art of yacht design. I don't think any of his popular designs, or any for that matter, were "slow". The lines of the 31 would have been developed from the design of Plum Crazy looking at the images of it.
I agree that Adams was a great designer but the 31 looks much more pot-bellied or IOR than any of his other designs with the only discernible Adam's feature to my eye being the extreme aft placement the rudder. Take away the rudder placement and it looks quite pinched in at the rear which is a very uncharacteristic Adams look. Maybe this was because of the co-design and hence my reason for asking if it was quick. I know pretty much all other Adams designs were quick
The 31 is very similar to the Tasman 26 they were both designed around the ton rating.
They are also very similar to the Mottle 33 and the Adams 40.
To my mind a mottle 33 is an entirely different shape. Finer entry, more vertical stem, not an inkling of IOR, no tumblehome and far broader stern. The only commonality seems to be the rudder right at the rear and angled reawards so as to have its lower regions protruding beyond the rear most extremity of the hull above
The 4 of them almost identical to the midship they have very similar keels. The Tasman and Adams 31 and Adams 24 all have the pinched stern. The mottle and Adams 40 were never designed to rate.
Select to expand quoter13 said..
Righto, got it, thanks.
So what could be the absolute lowest sail away price for one of these now - just for local club racing (Sat and twilights), main, genoa and jib, asymm kite, retractable prodder. 10hp shaft drive diesel. Bunk cushions, basic electrics, cat 7 safety, that's it.
www.elliott-marine.com/assets/Uploads/Elliott9-Cruising-racing-yacht-design-marine-GregElliott-sailboat-keelboat.pdf
Betting about $450k
The JPK is not a high tech build at all and with a alloy rig no sails, safety or electronics is priced initially priced at about $400k ex factory.
If you want a great local club racer just buy a Sydney 38.
Same builder as the JPK btw.
About $100k, cheap to run, insure, maintain well, not break ever, good re-sale.
any parts such as halyards are on the shelves of suppliers so immediate delivery
Much faster than an Elliott 9.
Just pick one at random.
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Adrenalin is one of the best presented examples of these well-renowned yachts. Hull number 33 of this popular class, she has mostly been raced inshore, originally in Port Phillip Bay and more recently in Sydney Harbour - from twilight racing through to full One Design class racing. Owners have enjoyed a limited amount of coastal racing and the boat is in Cat 4. Adrenalin has been recently re-rigged and had her rudder bearings replaced. This provides the perfect platfrom for a new owner to enjoy inshore racing or more actively pursue offshore racing, where the Sydney 38 class still has strong participation in iconic events such as the Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race. A reluctant sale, Adrenalin is in very good condition and ready for a new cycle of ownership - inspection will not disappoint.
Select to expand quoter13 said..
Interesting links below including seat tops folded out to the side decks to avoid the singed rear............
wwdesign.eu/html/h28.html
silentboats.eu/huzars/
Really struggling to see enough market for this configuration 28 footer at $90K.............as in one of the above links the basic version at maybe 1/2 that price could do better..........but even then JPK are offering a lot better value hopefully they will do well locally built.......I have nothing to do with JPK but if were them would strongly look at including a bare basic 9-9.5m racer cruiser in the Aust build program.
www.mysailing.com.au/boats/jpk-yachts-now-proudly-made-in-australia
Honestly, that's about right these days. Whether anyone buys it is another thing.
If I could convince the wife to let me buy a new boat (though I'm happy with my current one), it'd be around the 28 ft mark - I find that a really comfortable size for single handing when needed, while being big enough to have plenty of room for crew when racing. If anything, I'd want something that was 7.99 metres, just to bring down costs (like moorings etc more).
So, what's around? Probably the other best two choices in Australia are either a Beneteau First 27 at $159,650, or, much cheaper, a FarEast 28r at $69,950 (which is basically bare inside).
For reference too, I really like Adams 8s. They tend to sell for about $10-15. When they were first sold in 1979, the sailaway price was $16....or about $76,000 today.
Yeah that's the key "whether anyone buys it...".
Good summary of boats around the 28ft mark. Agree re the versatility (and affordability) of yachts around this mark including a bit smaller down to 1/4 tonners. The Adams8 are tippy - albeit virtually unbeatable in <12kts. What about a lead keeled S80? Not sure how many were built with the lead keel but they are allowed to race in the Vic S80 fleet
s80.org/documents
There was an X-79 for sale recently but it has runners so no good.
Used to sail a quarter tonner single handed Gladesville to Manly and back mid-week during rostered days off - if a harbour club wanted to host a 1/4 ton fleet surely they would get good numbers? Must be close to a hundred 1/4 tonners moored around the harbour. In the UK and Europe such fleets have been revived albeit the cashed up rock stars have got in and dictated that a Corinthian division is included. They use a handicap system for a result division which is obviously a good idea so that Holland 25s and Farr727s get a chance against that later 80s and 90s French flyers.
www.livesaildie.com/coutts-2013-quarter-ton-cup-the-wrap/
www.sail-world.com/Australia/Coutts-Quarter-Ton-Cup-Day-1-Aguila-leads/-85804?source=google
full disclosure, this is a mates boat, but it's awesome!!
Will sail rings around most production boats of a similar size and weight!
www.boatsalestas.com.au/sail-monohulls/sayer-14-ezibeat/256886/
Select to expand quoterumblefish said..
full disclosure, this is a mates boat, but it's awesome!!
Will sail rings around most production boats of a similar size and weight!
www.boatsalestas.com.au/sail-monohulls/sayer-14-ezibeat/256886/
Agree, a tasty morsel but way out of my price range.
"Huon Chief" a boat I have lusted after for a very long time. Been sold a few times over the years. Looking much better now than the last time I saw her when she stayed here for a few days.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/36ft-huon-pine-cruiser-racer-exceptional-condition/256917
Not Robinson Crusoe as regards long time lust...............I forgot she was a Noel Jennings design..............an Australian classic for sure.
www.mysailing.com.au/cruising/huon-chief-old-boat-begins-a-new-tale
Select to expand quoteRamona said..
"Huon Chief" a boat I have lusted after for a very long time. Been sold a few times over the years. Looking much better now than the last time I saw her when she stayed here for a few days.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/36ft-huon-pine-cruiser-racer-exceptional-condition/256917
Lovely lines and interior. Cracks me up the "sales" talk in the description, anything replaced at any stage is NEW, including the 18 year old engine. Good value as a Tasmanian holiday house for the next few years.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/duncraig/sail-boats/sparkman-and-stephens-yacht/1267556324
Jessica Watson used an SS34, not an SS36. Not sure I would want to sail pole to pole with a fractional rig yacht!
Just dreaming
www.buyaboat.com.au/buyaboat/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/zeston-40-pilot-house/256803
Select to expand quoteRamona said..
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/shoalhaven-heads/sail-boats/1882-mottle-33-yatch/1266400279
Mottle 33 on a mooring near mine. Good nick and probably good value.
Amazes me how many people try to sell a YATCH.
Seized Volvo but still good value.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/tingira-heights/sail-boats/phantom-32-yacht-for-sale/1268618082
