Well Jerry is not going to see that sort of money for a Folkboat. $33,000 for stainless steel fittings! Nice fit out in side but still has exposed deck head. Self tailers would have been nice if your throwing money about.
Having just come off the back of building another boat,I can certainly where the value was set in that Folkboat.
I mean,the brand new rig and sails were probably upwards of $15-$20k alone,never minding the paint job,engine and all the other ancillaries that were included.
This boat was reduced again about a year ago to around $65k from memory and I could not see them making an absolute 'killing' at that rate.
Does anybody know if Jerry is still in the game?.He was very well respected in the field and I know many of the 'Halvorsen' crowd would engage him for work.
BTW-Happy New year people!-C.R.
Hi MB. Have you considered a young 88 ? Awesome boat. plenty of room to cruise with our family of 4. Great open cockpit and good headroom below. Fit out configurations vary and construction can be grp or timber core/west systems. There are a number for sale at the moment but not all advertised. Couple of examples here......http://m.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/young-88-cruiser-racer-yungsta/165873
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Here are a few that would have to be contenders on your list at $20,000 or less.http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/swarbrick-s80/179775
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/clansman-30/179708
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/searle-26/179653
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/endeavour-26/178333
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/compass-30/178180
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/cavalier-26/177891
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/cavalier-26/168381
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/holland-30/134703
The Compass 30 is moored near me. It's never moved as far as I can see, but looks to be in good condition. Not a hell of a lot smaller than the S&S, though - probably similar in beam or even a bit wider.
I like the Holland 30 "Scandal". It has been for sale for a long time (at least 18 months) and I am sure it could be had for $19 - $20,000. I am wondering why it has not sold yet.
The Compass 30 looks good too. A completely different yacht to the Compass 28s and 29s.
@ Lazzerae. I see that Lazy Daze is up for sale in Cairns or Thursday Island. Plenty of Compass 29s for sale.
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I like the Holland 30 "Scandal". It has been for sale for a long time (at least 18 months) and I am sure it could be had for $19 - $20,000. I am wondering why it has not sold yet.
The Compass 30 looks good too. A completely different yacht to the Compass 28s and 29s.
@ Lazzerae. I see that Lazy Daze is up for sale in Cairns or Thursday Island. Plenty of Compass 29s for sale.
Either would be OK depend if you wanted wheel steering and furling main as in the compass 30 it also appears to have reasonable instruments on board .
The compass looks like it more set up for cruising than the Holland
Also wonder how long the rigging was done on both boats and also the sails.
To me the compass would be a better buy as far as use as you get older a little more user friendly if the furling main works OK
There both 
not a S & S 34
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Either would be OK depend if you wanted wheel steering and furling main as in the compass 30 it also appears to have reasonable instruments on board .
The compass looks like it more set up for cruising than the Holland
Also wonder how long the rigging was done on both boats and also the sails.
To me the compass would be a better buy as far as use as you get older a little more user friendly if the furling main works OK
There both not a S & S 34
Ex racing yachts make the best cruising yachts. It is easier to slow down a fast yacht than it is to make a dog yacht go faster.
I am only comparing design and price not condition and equipment level. The first thing I would do with the Compass is get rid of the "in mast" furling main. Too much weight aloft, not relevant on a 30 footer and too complicated. Second thing I would do is get rid of the wheel steering for the same reasons.
The Holland may have a deeper and shorter fin and maybe a spade rudder. Apart from that they are quite similar yachts.
No. Neither of them are S&S 34s. He wants to get rid of his S&S 34, buy a smaller yacht and have some change in his pocket with which to buy a classic sports car.
Sounds like a plan to me. 
Hi Cisco
I was actually thinking the other day about whether a x racer would be a good buy
in the 3 or 4 years that I have been racing I have seen boats racing run aground and pushed a lot harder in rough weather than you would do if cruising sometimes resulting in gear failure
In a race you are always trying to push the boat a bit harder to get a good result
Any thoughts would be appreciated
Regards Don
I thought long and hard about a Holland 30. The pick of the boats for the average user definitely comes from the early halftonners. The cockpit layout excludes several of them though. I don't want to be sitting on a deck and I definitely don't want to depend on a handful of friends hanging off the side holding her up. In this price range there are lots of choices but other considerations like ease and cost of up keep should be considered so I would avoid sail drives. The Compass 30 would be a good choice with out the furling main, wheel steering and saildrive!
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Hi Cisco
I was actually thinking the other day about whether a x racer would be a good buy
in the 3 or 4 years that I have been racing I have seen boats racing run aground and pushed a lot harder in rough weather than you would do if cruising sometimes resulting in gear failure
In a race you are always trying to push the boat a bit harder to get a good result
Any thoughts would be appreciated
Regards Don
As with any yacht purchase it is always "caveat emptor", let the buyer beware.
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Hi Cisco
I was actually thinking the other day about whether a x racer would be a good buy There's very few cruiser traveling in ex-race boats.
I'm guessing it's because when you live aboard and cruise, particularly as a couple or family you want to be comfortable, race yachts don't tend towards comfort or long term living aboard. They tend to have minimal, open or unsecured stowage, so that sails etc can be quickly and readily accessed and little privacy for crew members. When you cruise full time you need to have secure stowage and lots of it for all the provisions and requirements of daily life that are needed for long term living aboard. All the extras that racing boats don't have onboard are the things you need and want onboard for a life at sea.
You would most likely for a start have to incorporate more adequate stowage, work out how to stow tenders and outboards, increase ground tackle, the water line, drains etc may need to be adapted due to extra weight considerations, basically effecting the initial design concept of the vessel from weight and balance to handling at sea. I think it's a case of 'horses for courses', I personally wouldn't recommend an ex race yacht for someone who wanted to cruise. Race yachts are purpose built and designed to race with no input or thought given to long term living aboard, cruising yachts are purpose built for a crew to live aboard for extended periods, weekenders are built for limited cruising/live aboard ect, and I think each suits its own specific purpose.
Some racing boats may be strongly built (some are also lightly built and only intended to be sailed hard over just a few seasons), undoubtably they are fast, they also tend to be uncomfortable, wet, exposed to the elements, minimally equip with any of the comforts of life and uninsulated. I imagine it's fairly difficult to fit a bimini or dodger on a vast open cockpit to keep out of the weather and dry. A lot of the simple things you would want onboard to make life at sea pleasant aren't found on a racing yacht, most cruisers aren't in a hurry, I guess it's called cruising for a reason.
Chatting to my mate yesterday who has just come back from a few weeks in WA. Reckons the place is awash with cheap boats and houses after the mining turn down.
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Hi Cisco
I was actually thinking the other day about whether a x racer would be a good buy There's very few cruiser traveling in ex-race boats.
I'm guessing it's because when you live aboard and cruise, particularly as a couple or family you want to be comfortable, race yachts don't tend towards comfort or long term living aboard. They tend to have minimal, open or unsecured stowage, so that sails etc can be quickly and readily accessed and little privacy for crew members. When you cruise full time you need to have secure stowage and lots of it for all the provisions and requirements of daily life that are needed for long term living aboard. All the extras that racing boats don't have onboard are the things you need and want onboard for a life at sea.
You would most likely for a start have to incorporate more adequate stowage, work out how to stow tenders and outboards, increase ground tackle, the water line, drains etc may need to be adapted due to extra weight considerations, basically effecting the initial design concept of the vessel from weight and balance to handling at sea. I think it's a case of 'horses for courses', I personally wouldn't recommend an ex race yacht for someone who wanted to cruise. Race yachts are purpose built and designed to race with no input or thought given to long term living aboard, cruising yachts are purpose built for a crew to live aboard for extended periods, weekenders are built for limited cruising/live aboard ect, and I think each suits its own specific purpose.
Some racing boats may be strongly built (some are also lightly built and only intended to be sailed hard over just a few seasons), undoubtably they are fast, they also tend to be uncomfortable, wet, exposed to the elements, minimally equip with any of the comforts of life and uninsulated. I imagine it's fairly difficult to fit a bimini or dodger on a vast open cockpit to keep out of the weather and dry. A lot of the simple things you would want onboard to make life at sea pleasant aren't found on a racing yacht, most cruisers aren't in a hurry, I guess it's called cruising for a reason.
Let me re qualify my original statement of opinion, "Ex racing yachts make the best cruising yachts."
Ex IOR racing yachts make great cruising yachts.
All the points you raised are valid re storage, bunks and load carrying capacity etc.
Remember that IOR stands for "International Offshore Racing Rule". I do not know what the rule was exactly but I do know it was constantly being changed due to designers producing "rule beater designs" and the measurement rule became so complicated that the IOR standard was abandoned.
The late 70s and early 80s saw some brilliant designs emerge probably the most successful of which is the S&S 34 (3/4 tonner) and others such as the Joubert Currawong 30 (1/2 tonner), the Peterson Santana 30 (1/2 tonner) and the brilliant series of Peterson 40 odd foot 2 tonners one of which I owned for 5 years.
The first two letters of IOR mean "International and Offshore" which imply a common standard of yacht capable of international travel to racing events like the earlier Americas Cup rule. If you could not sail the vessel to the race venue, you could not compete in the race.
As far as the argument goes on comfort of a so called "cruising yacht" opposed to a "racing yacht", and I have said this before, any vessel at sea under 1,000 foot long is "uncomfortable".
What is comfortable is sailing the ex racing yacht converted for cruising getting into the anchorage before 17:00 and having the pick down, firing up the BBQ and having Sundowners while the so called "comfortable cruising yacht" is still out there battling the weather trying to get into the anchorage at 23:59.
Certainly the more recent crop of racing yachts do not lend themselves to conversion to cruising yachts with their huge beams, light displacement, light construction, ultra powerful rigs that only just stay up, minimal load carrying capacity and minimal crew comforts.
It is easier to slow down a fast yacht than it is to speed up a dog yacht.
I've sailed on a race boat that has been a liveaboard for almost 35 years. It's not really an "ex"- race boat since they raced it hard for about 25 years and I think it could still race and win. They've done 200,000 miles cruising, spend a lot of time in Alaska (they just sail back and forth from NZ two up routinely) and spent a fair bit of time around Cape Horn.
The boat also has been British offshore "Yacht of the Year" about five times, has about 5 IMS wins in class or overall in the Fastnet, an IRC overall win in NZ's biggest race, and an IMS class win in the Hobart - and all the while they lived on board. The boat is very heavy and actually designed to the RORC rule which preceded the IOR, but it certainly shows the possibilities.
There was also a French couple who cruised for something like 15 years aboard a 42' stripped-out alloy lightweight IOR boat with a flush deck, tiller steering, runners, etc. They loved the boat to bits. I think there was a similar but smaller (30') boat for sale in Hong Kong a while back after cruising out from France.
As you say, it's all about personal preferences, but it certainly is possible to cruise an ex-racing boat. I've known a lot of experienced cruisers who share Cisco's views.
Fidelis, a 61ft 1960s S2H winner, is an outstanding cruiser.
Would I recommend cruising a Sydney 36 or 38. Not likely.
The ex racing cruisers all seem to be 1960s or thereabouts boats when racers were expected to finish with rudders and spars still attached to the boat. :-)
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these are the keel bolts on our 1984 NS27
They look well spaced. Has there been a problem with NS keels?
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No, not that I know of.
Yara got me a bit concerned. My mate Havefun as a NS and I'm confident he wouldn't have a boat with a known defect.
