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Newbie - Lessons learned so far...

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Created by SaltySinus > 9 months ago, 8 Nov 2012
daniel_y
WA, 92 posts
12 Mar 2013 8:44AM
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Kazan said...
SaltySinus said...
Did my first jump today. And it was totally meant. And I landed and continued on my merry way. Probably not the prettiest jump, but it counts.

Thank you Progression Kiteboarding Disk 1!


LOL

You mean Progression Disk 2 (Intermediate Vol1)? I love those DVDs. They are great.



They go over the basics of jumping right at the end of the beginners dvd (DVD1).

Im still having issues landing my jumps. I can land small ones, but whenever I try and go bigger I have issused with my feet coming out of the footstraps, or landing and sliding out.

Yesterday in 20-30knots on my 9m at Melville, I went waaaaaay bigger than I thought I would on a quite a few jumps and ended up getting owned pretty good a couple of times.

Really feeling it today hah :/

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
12 Mar 2013 12:21PM
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Good work Daniel_Y.

A jumps a jump. I'm sure it was fun anyway, if not the body dragging to get your board back after the landing...

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
19 Mar 2013 10:50AM
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Lesson learnt over the weekend... just because you think you're getting better, doesn't stop you having a kitemare with your brand new kite and bashing it around.

My kite fell out the air and turned inside out. On recovery, one of the steering lines was caught round the power lines. As a 5line kite, aparaently the only thing to do is pull the quick release and self rescue.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
17 Apr 2013 5:24PM
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Current challenge: Going toe side.

Any tips? I think I'm taking too long to 'switch' and losing power out of the kite (due to it being too far round the wind window....).

Kazan
QLD, 699 posts
17 Apr 2013 8:07PM
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I was out the other day on 14 to 16 knots, but the winds were directly onshore. For the life of me I just couldn't get going. Everytime I started, the kite just went straight to the window edge and flopped. I tried full on power dives almost from 3 oclock and yeah, I had power and lift, but the kite just kept falling off! I was on my 14 mtr switchblade and I weigh 80kgs. I had no problem controlling the kite in 15 to 18 knots, so just a couple of knots makes a lot of difference in having to power dive and repower constantly? Confused.

zarb
NSW, 690 posts
17 Apr 2013 9:20PM
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Not sure if this will help with your kite Kazan, maybe you need to try to steer it sooner? My C4 in 15kts will fall out of the sky if I don't anticipate the moves it needs to make. It's 11m and I am 85kg and I can JUST get upwind on a 15kt day... so not sure why yours is misbehaving.

As for once you're up in light winds, I found it easier to make smaller more subtle kite movements in light wind once up and riding, rather than just diving it aggressively. So give it a good dive to begin (but remember that you need to steer it up sooner than in strong winds, it's slow as hell!), but then aim to make it more and more subtle otherwise you just get pulled off your line and end up downwind with your weight over the board.

With the board, I had better results getting my weight off the board sooner than in strong winds, otherwise you just sink it in the light wind. So leaning back and trying to head upwind as soon as possible to move my weight away from the board (but not too far back and upwind that you dig a rail and fall in). It also helps for me to try and stay "stiffer" in my stance. It's a balancing act and I am only just starting to get the hang of it.

Jasonlk321
NSW, 57 posts
17 Apr 2013 9:53PM
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Kazan said...
I was out the other day on 14 to 16 knots, but the winds were directly onshore. For the life of me I just couldn't get going. Everytime I started, the kite just went straight to the window edge and flopped. I tried full on power dives almost from 3 oclock and yeah, I had power and lift, but the kite just kept falling off! I was on my 14 mtr switchblade and I weigh 80kgs. I had no problem controlling the kite in 15 to 18 knots, so just a couple of knots makes a lot of difference in having to power dive and repower constantly? Confused.


Lighter winds on direct onshore with TT are highly frustrating conditions. Best to body drag out from shore at least 50+ meters. You just need to build up a lot more speed going downwind before starting to carve up wind. Your weight & kite size is not the problem. Your just stalling because the beach is approaching too rapidly you're carving upwind too early. Even guys on race boards or sector 60's tend to body drag out a bit in these conditions.

Kazan
QLD, 699 posts
18 Apr 2013 12:02AM
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Thanks Jason, thanks Zarb. That was great tips.

On a totally different topic (forum should have a NonKiting section), check out in YouTube 'great gig in the sky sam brown' and compare it with 'great gig in the sky aussie or britfloyd floyd'. You tell me which one nails it the most! Go Aussies!

vkay89
5 posts
18 Apr 2013 12:01PM
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Have had my first lesson and got some second hand gear from a close mate! so syked to finally get on the water!

Only problem is Im having a small operation next week which means ill be fish outa water for about 4-5 weeks because of the healing

Rest assured the weeks of recovery will be re viewings of the progression DVD's

Then hopefully after the recovery ill be getting some good experience

EDIT: Thing I learned from my first lesson is easy does it with the bar. Also Dont freak out!! The first couple of kite crashes I had I panicked and couldn't get the kite back up. I calmed down took a good couple of breaths and patiently maneuvered the kite to pick up some wind.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
18 Apr 2013 2:49PM
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vkay89 said...
Have had my first lesson and got some second hand gear from a close mate! so syked to finally get on the water!

Only problem is Im having a small operation next week which means ill be fish outa water for about 4-5 weeks because of the healing

Rest assured the weeks of recovery will be re viewings of the progression DVD's

Then hopefully after the recovery ill be getting some good experience

EDIT: Thing I learned from my first lesson is easy does it with the bar. Also Dont freak out!! The first couple of kite crashes I had I panicked and couldn't get the kite back up. I calmed down took a good couple of breaths and patiently maneuvered the kite to pick up some wind.



Goo don you, Vkay... keep it up (your efforts and the kite). In due course, keeping your kite under control will be second nature, and should you dunk it in the water, it will be a mild annoyance at best. You've got to go through these cycles of dropping and recovering your kite so you know what to do when you're 500m off shore and it happens! It's all valuable learning.

Yeop, easy with the bar and remember, the kite should pull you out of the water though your harness, and *not* you pulling yourself up on the bar. If you do this, you'll power up the kite, and it will send you flying. Believe me!

zarb
NSW, 690 posts
18 Apr 2013 6:40PM
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Landed my first backroll today Also came very very close on several other tries. Now I just need to get it dialed and maybe try it without a little wave to give me a boost.

Also was working on my popping jumps today. I find them way more fun than big floaty airs. Can almost get about a metre out of the water now with pops.

Kiteboarding kicks ass!

surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
18 Apr 2013 7:38PM
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yewww, good on ya! you'll keep progressing quickly now.
when are you back up here?

zarb
NSW, 690 posts
18 Apr 2013 8:10PM
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I was due to come home for the ANZAC day long weekend, but unfortunately I have to work now So probably not until June. After that though, I'll be out on the strapless whenever the wind is up and keen for some more downwinders!

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
22 Apr 2013 11:16AM
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Did my first 'sort-of' toeside on sat. Switched the board on the spot... went more or less direct downwind.

Note to self, must practice toeside stance (despite getting ridiculed by the girlfriend... although to be fair, doing it in a busy park using an oval's barrier as my pretend bar does invite such ridicule!).

SuperPoop
QLD, 73 posts
22 Apr 2013 6:29PM
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Does or did anyone else have a fear of launching and landing? If so how did you get over it?

I've just had an hour lesson purely focusing on launching/landing and self launching/self landing.

Hopefully I can get out tomorrow to see if its made me feel any better about the process.

joea
WA, 7 posts
22 Apr 2013 5:34PM
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SuperPoop said...
Does or did anyone else have a fear of launching and landing? If so how did you get over it?

I've just had an hour lesson purely focusing on launching/landing and self launching/self landing.

Hopefully I can get out tomorrow to see if its made me feel any better about the process.


If you have an ozone bar, a great way to gain confidence with kite handling is to get a 4m inflatable trainer: ozonekites.com/products/water-kites/uno

Being a 4-line inflatable, it launches/lands/flies and feels just like a real kite, and works with a standard harness and ozone bar. The only real difference between the Uno and a standard 4m kite is that the Uno is stable at lower windspeeds - down to 15 knots.

Between 15 and 20 knots, it generates enough power to give you a similar feel to a real kite while still being reasonably safe on the beach (unless you're very light). Find a spot away from others so that you don't hit anyone and just have some fun. Practice self-launching, self-landing, keeping the kite stable in all clock positions, controlling the kite with one hand, swapping hands with a board in your other hand, flying with the kite in only your peripheral vision, water-relaunching with the kite on the edge of the water, using the quick-release. Keep doing all these things over and over until you hardly have to think about the kite.

In 20-25 knots, it's also great for practicing downwind body dragging (try sining the kite to generate more power), water-relaunching, self-rescue. Upwind body dragging is doable but more work because of the kite's lowish aspect ratio and depending on your weight, you may not have enough grunt with a 4m kite to make much progress.

Don't waste your time with a 3-line foil trainer - they don't launch/land or feel like a real kite and only end up teaching you bad habits.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
23 Apr 2013 1:46PM
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SuperPoop said...
Does or did anyone else have a fear of launching and landing? If so how did you get over it?

I've just had an hour lesson purely focusing on launching/landing and self launching/self landing.

Hopefully I can get out tomorrow to see if its made me feel any better about the process.




Hi SuperPoop, nope, not really. But for the first few months I was on a nice, deep beach with plenty of room downwind if the worst happen.

Remember your quick release will kill nearly all power from the kite, so if it's being badly behaved, you can get it pop your quick release and show it who's boss!

Ensure you check and recheck the leash is attached and that you can reach it (may be pull it round to one side or another so it's handy if needed), and practice placing your hand on the Quick Release just so it's like second nature. You can even fire it when the lines are attached but the kite is safely grounded and secured with sand/board on top.

Remember, you're in control of the launch, if someone is helping you, ensure they only let go of the kite when you give them the thumbs up, and ensure you have a signal for 'put it back down, something's up'. An experienced kiter will be your best assistant. Only give the thumbs up when the lines are taught the kite fabric is nice and taught and your assistant is working to keep the kite on the ground and not up in the air.

Good luck. Sounds like you're doing the right thing with the practicing!

Remember, just because the kite hits the ground or doesn't launch properly, isn't the end of the world. Ensure you get an experienced kiter to help you launch as they can give you tips and/or they shouldn't launch the kite if it's not ready (no matter

bene313
WA, 1347 posts
23 Apr 2013 5:12PM
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zarb said...
Landed my first backroll today Also came very very close on several other tries. Now I just need to get it dialed and maybe try it without a little wave to give me a boost.

Also was working on my popping jumps today. I find them way more fun than big floaty airs. Can almost get about a metre out of the water now with pops.

Kiteboarding kicks ass!


Hey Zarb you got the progression vids?

zarb
NSW, 690 posts
23 Apr 2013 7:20PM
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I got through the first two vids fine, probably going to go get volume 2 Intermediate this weekend.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
24 Apr 2013 11:28AM
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Zarb, have you seen Kiteboarding 101?

It's a different pace to the Progression DVDs, but def worth a watch in conjunction with the progression DVD.

Together they give you different takes on the same thing...

zarb
NSW, 690 posts
24 Apr 2013 11:41AM
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No, I havn't seen that DVD. I may have to track it down. What kind of level does it cover?

This weekend I want to start getting some rotations in my pops. Depending on the crowds, I might try unhooking as well and see the difference it makes on the jumping. Fully prepared for it to hurt a lot...

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
24 Apr 2013 2:24PM
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zarb said...
No, I havn't seen that DVD. I may have to track it down. What kind of level does it cover?

This weekend I want to start getting some rotations in my pops. Depending on the crowds, I might try unhooking as well and see the difference it makes on the jumping. Fully prepared for it to hurt a lot...



It assumes you have at least the competencies of Progression DVD1 and maybe half of DVD2 I.e. you're comfortable jumping, maybe even unhooking.

It probably covers stance (out of the water)more than progression, (so that bit seems slow) but then it races along and crams in ** load of stuff in minutes.

If it were me (and maybe this is because I'm slow), I'd watch kiteboarding 101, find the first trick you want to do. Watch the 1min where it covers it, compare the same thing on Progression DVD2 and practice and practice until you've nailed it then move on.

SuperPoop
QLD, 73 posts
24 Apr 2013 7:27PM
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joea – That's actually not such a bad idea. I know a little fella that would be able to use the kite anyway.

SaltySinus – I honestly don't know why I worry about it so much. At low tide I have hundreds/thousands of meters of free space, so I have plenty of time to kill the kite. I usually go out by myself where no one else is and try and self-launch, but I think I'm going to start doing assisted launches/landings. Won't be so rough on my kite and I'll probably pick up heaps of hints/tips from the experienced.

SuperPoop
QLD, 73 posts
24 Apr 2013 7:28PM
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I thought I might as well put this in here also.

Howdy,

I'm looking for some kiting buddies in Brisbane, my usual haunt is Brighton/Sandgate.

I've had my lessons and I've just picked up my own gear, so I'm wanting to get out as much as possible.

Get in contact.

pattiecannon
QLD, 593 posts
24 Apr 2013 11:27PM
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^^^^^Hey SuperPoop,
Keep that kite at the edge of the window and the kite will virtually lift up on the spot without dragging accross the sand/mud, shells, jellyfish, stingrays, crabpots and other stuff you have up there on the low tide. lol, plenty of room for it up there. On the High you can selflaunch from the grass in front of Padi's place or down at Brighton for when you're feeling well practiced. In the right wind, you shouldn't even have to hold the bar until it's in the air, round 1 or 10.30, just take the upper steering line by the leader and "fish" it up into the air m8. She'll be apples

BoardGirl
QLD, 248 posts
25 Apr 2013 9:14AM
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Hey Superpoop,

During the season there are plenty of people down at Brighton/Sandgate. If you are a feeling a little unsure on your launch/lands just let whoever you ask for a launch know that you feel this way and most of the guys will ensure that you are in the right place before releasing the kite.

At mid-low/low tide there is heaps of room on the flats so you will have plenty of room to move away from the grassed areas and away from obstacles.

When I first started I let the guys know that I was a newbie and for them to feel free to tell me if I wasn't in the right place for my launches, they also took it nice and slow and waited till I was ready.

You will get more confident with it as you progress.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
29 Apr 2013 6:48PM
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Reminder to self... if the weather says 'there's no wind', don't take your new kite and have it bashed around on the beach... idiot.

Also, there *are* dolphins in Port Philip bay, so if you see a fin... you don't always have to run for your life!




zarb
NSW, 690 posts
29 Apr 2013 9:20PM
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My god what were you trying to do? There wasn't anything above a red arrow for the entire day!

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
29 Apr 2013 10:38PM
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zarb said...
My god what were you trying to do? There wasn't anything above a red arrow for the entire day!



Dah, I'm referring to sat (Melbourne Metro area), it was +25knots all day, until I, killer of wind, turned up...

zarb
NSW, 690 posts
30 Apr 2013 3:41AM
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Ha ok my bad :)



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