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Newbie - Lessons learned so far...

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Created by SaltySinus > 9 months ago, 8 Nov 2012
SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
19 Feb 2013 10:06AM
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Reminder to self, if you're getting launched over the board, it's because you're an idiot and pulling on the bar rather than the harness. There should be no 'surprise' power yanking you out of the water.

Gentle with the bar and it will be gentle back.

BoardGirl
QLD, 248 posts
19 Feb 2013 5:31PM
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SaltySinus said...
Reminder to self, if you're getting launched over the board, it's because you're an idiot and pulling on the bar rather than the harness. There should be no 'surprise' power yanking you out of the water.

Gentle with the bar and it will be gentle back.


Hey Salty, it's not always that you are pulling on the bar, some other common mistakes are:-

•Too much power in the kite. Try again with a lower-power power stroke.

•Stood up too late. Stand up sooner, keep your body straight, press down with your heels, and lean back to counterbalance the kite.

Hope it helps.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
20 Feb 2013 10:28AM
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Thanks Boardgirl... these are great tips.

Went out last night in disappointingly gusty yet light winds and concentrated on getting the power through the harness which really helped.... even managed to ride switch.

yay for kiteboarding.

Scroty
NSW, 8 posts
22 Feb 2013 11:50PM
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BoardGirl said...
SaltySinus said...
Reminder to self, if you're getting launched over the board, it's because you're an idiot and pulling on the bar rather than the harness. There should be no 'surprise' power yanking you out of the water.

Gentle with the bar and it will be gentle back.


Hey Salty, it's not always that you are pulling on the bar, some other common mistakes are:-

•Too much power in the kite. Try again with a lower-power power stroke.

•Stood up too late. Stand up sooner, keep your body straight, press down with your heels, and lean back to counterbalance the kite.

Hope it helps.


Or, like me, you put your board across the wind instead of pointing it downwind.

zarb
NSW, 690 posts
23 Feb 2013 10:20AM
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Scroty said...
BoardGirl said...
SaltySinus said...
Reminder to self, if you're getting launched over the board, it's because you're an idiot and pulling on the bar rather than the harness. There should be no 'surprise' power yanking you out of the water.

Gentle with the bar and it will be gentle back.


Hey Salty, it's not always that you are pulling on the bar, some other common mistakes are:-

•Too much power in the kite. Try again with a lower-power power stroke.

•Stood up too late. Stand up sooner, keep your body straight, press down with your heels, and lean back to counterbalance the kite.

Hope it helps.


Or, like me, you put your board across the wind instead of pointing it downwind.



Yeah thats a big one for me. Especially on my natural side. Nearly have it covered on goofy.

Peterdj
VIC, 139 posts
23 Feb 2013 12:06PM
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zarb said...
Scroty said...
BoardGirl said...
SaltySinus said...
Reminder to self, if you're getting launched over the board, it's because you're an idiot and pulling on the bar rather than the harness. There should be no 'surprise' power yanking you out of the water.

Gentle with the bar and it will be gentle back.


Hey Salty, it's not always that you are pulling on the bar, some other common mistakes are:-

•Too much power in the kite. Try again with a lower-power power stroke.

•Stood up too late. Stand up sooner, keep your body straight, press down with your heels, and lean back to counterbalance the kite.

Hope it helps.


Or, like me, you put your board across the wind instead of pointing it downwind.



Yeah thats a big one for me. Especially on my natural side. Nearly have it covered on goofy.


Thats what i did in the 20 minutes of trying to get up that i had in my lesson, didnt get up but heading out today to try. Even if i dont get the wind i want i think ill do some dragging and a self rescue or 2

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
25 Feb 2013 10:45AM
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How did you go, PeterDJ?

Peterdj
VIC, 139 posts
25 Feb 2013 1:22PM
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The wind didnt play to my rules to be able to try a board. So did a body drag with the board till i got over that and then did a self rescue. It least the board floats.
The wind was only just strong enough to get the kite up.

Wrapped the lines around the bar just around one end and not Fig 8 ouch. Took two hours when i got home to untangle it.

A lesson in being patient.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
25 Feb 2013 1:46PM
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Hey Peter, that sucks. There's nothing worse than going out when there is only just enough wind... makes for a hairy time out on the water...

Still, you're getting good experience at self rescuing and rest assured, water relaunch is a LOT easier when there is actually decent wind.

Phoney
NSW, 608 posts
25 Feb 2013 5:35PM
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Going out when there's too much wind makes for a pretty damn hairy time too!

I decided to pump up my 12m in 22 - 25kts - gusting up to 30kts the other day as it was the only kite I had. Went out and was battling HARD to keep the thing under control. It was just picking up too much speed, every time I dug my back heels in the board just skidded. Nearly got lofted a couple of times, came off and stacked hard. Got back to shore, could barely pull it up wind. Landed it as soon as another someone else came by and promptly deflated.

Wont be doing that again in a hurry

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
25 Feb 2013 6:31PM
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Yeah, that's keen! I went out in similar conditions on a 9m and got lifted vertically up off my board! That was in winter wind... lovely.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
25 Feb 2013 11:49PM
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Did my first jump today. And it was totally meant. And I landed and continued on my merry way. Probably not the prettiest jump, but it counts.

Thank you Progression Kiteboarding Disk 1!

arloj
WA, 237 posts
25 Feb 2013 9:16PM
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Another tip - if your self landing, depower the kite and know what your doing before trying it in a crowded beach or small stretch of beach.

I had just packed up and was driving off along meville beach road when I see a kite sitting on the middle of the road. Car In front of me had to swerve on the other side while he relaunched and then landed in shrubs. Pulled over an told him to next time get someone to land him as this is a popular spot an there were alot of kiters around. But he spoke hardly any English coming from France.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
26 Feb 2013 10:33AM
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Ouch, you know you've had a bad day when you're in the road or in the shrubs...

Yeah, good tip, practice your self landings with a mate who is perhaps down wind of the kite and can help you if things go astray.

FYI, I did my first jump last night. Did I mention that?

BoardGirl
QLD, 248 posts
26 Feb 2013 7:59PM
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SaltySinus said...
FYI, I did my first jump last night.


Congrats Salty that is fantastic...you must be stoked.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
27 Feb 2013 2:00AM
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Thanks BoardGirl, yeah, damn happy. I managed to hold back going 'whooooooooo' (in an Archer kind of way) long enough to recall I needed to land and what to do.

It was a great, great feeling!

zarb
NSW, 690 posts
27 Feb 2013 8:05PM
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Not quite as good as a first jump, but this afternoon I did my first transition slide from going left to going right. Also the first time I got some nice long runs in (more than 10 seconds ). Even got to run down the face of a waist-high wave on my way back in. Felt glorious! Bring on tomorrow.

BoardGirl
QLD, 248 posts
27 Feb 2013 8:26PM
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zarb said...
Not quite as good as a first jump, but this afternoon I did my first transition slide from going left to going right. Also the first time I got some nice long runs in (more than 10 seconds ). Even got to run down the face of a waist-high wave on my way back in. Felt glorious! Bring on tomorrow.


Congrats...sounds like you are cruisin!

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
28 Feb 2013 5:00PM
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zarb said...
Not quite as good as a first jump, but this afternoon I did my first transition slide from going left to going right. Also the first time I got some nice long runs in (more than 10 seconds ). Even got to run down the face of a waist-high wave on my way back in. Felt glorious! Bring on tomorrow.


Good work Zarb.... I still can't predicatbly slide turn,... which is arguably much more useful than jumping.

Those long runs will help the muscle memory as well... good work mate!

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
2 Mar 2013 6:41PM
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Okay, I appreciate like I'm showing off here... but I'd just like to announce I can finally (if not gracefully) slide turn, both directions and most of the time, consecutively!

I'd like to thank the academy...

It's certainly not perfect, but I can keep myself on the board and sometimes I find I shoot down wind and take the tension out of the lines. These symptoms I suffered when first starting to water start, so know what I need to do to fix it.

Next milestones:

1. Carving turn
2. Small jumps
3. Riding up wind toeside.

suface2air
QLD, 701 posts
2 Mar 2013 7:03PM
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wait untill you get the timing of the kite right and really dig the back heel in on a powered carve that is up the top of best feelings . but the best is jump or tracking so far upwind that you have to do a down wind to get back home . All jokes aside i found riding down wind bloody hard your board is flat and you catch up to your kite real fast lines go slack you drop into water then lines go tight and whop you are going so fast you pass the kite ends up real bad so a heads up when flying down wind straight at kite fly kite like trainer tight figure eights or right and left or up down what ever but kite must be flowen or go a little side ways .riding upwind toeside is not easy you feel like a prestel all twisted up but good to learn for the surf boards as for switch ya feet on the sb i havnt got it yet and i been trying for 2 seasons .

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
3 Mar 2013 2:23PM
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Cheers S2A.

I'm keen as mustard to try a surfboard, but want to be able to carve turn before I add another dimension of a different boar into the mix.

Good luck with the progress...

zarb
NSW, 690 posts
3 Mar 2013 4:15PM
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I tried a carve turn the other day... I completely overshot my kite and it stalled. Do I need to bring it over to the other side of the window faster?

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
4 Mar 2013 2:28AM
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Zarb, I think so, yes, but its a balancing act. Too quick and you'll launch yourself over the board. On low wind days, I've been playing with shifting my weight around and going from a light edge to direct down wind, then back to the same edge. This has helped my (otherwise board illiterate body) learn the effects of weight and direction.

BoardGirl
QLD, 248 posts
4 Mar 2013 8:46PM
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Assuming you are doing toeside to heelside?

1/ As you move your weight off your toes and start the turn, pull with your back hand

2/At the midpoint of your turn, your board should be facing downwind and your kite should be around 12.

3/ As you exit the turn your weight will be starting to transfer over your heels and you dive the kite to generate power and exit the turn

I hope that explains it in theory but it is all about timing and getting everything to work together.

Have fun & let us know how you go.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
4 Mar 2013 11:13PM
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Cheers BoardGirl, oh and I'm liking the new profile pic

puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
8 Mar 2013 12:04PM
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Stoked to see the newby enthusiasm shining thru.
For me it was the most exciting period of kiting I have ever had.
Frustrating, tiresome, annoying, dangerous, embarrassing.... all that and more.
BUT
Trust me - you will remember your time spent stumbling along the climb up the curve long after memories of the cranking sessions ahead of you start to fade away.
And be sure to celebrate - bigtime - that day you land back at your launch spot for the first time. YEAH - UPWIND. Im a kiter!!!
Took longer in the early days but I still throw a party of some sort every year on the anniversary of the 12th of Dec 2004. One of the best days of my entire life.

Stay Safe & remember "those who enjoy most WIN"


zarb
NSW, 690 posts
8 Mar 2013 3:21PM
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I lurv learning anything new... it seems to move ahead in leaps and bounds. Yesterday was another breakthrough for me.
I am getting up on both sides now 99% of my attempts, Can almost keep a bearing upwind on my natural side and can actually make some ground upwind on my goofy side! I think I may be able to end up in the same place I launched if I went out to sea far enough

Also can almost land basic jumps, and carve transitions from heelside to toeside. And the best feeling was yesterday afternoon chasing the swell back in, carved upwind to face the wave, and managed a cutback back downwind.

Just need to work on perfecting upwind, and basic sliding transitions.

Kazan
QLD, 699 posts
11 Mar 2013 9:57AM
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SaltySinus said...
Did my first jump today. And it was totally meant. And I landed and continued on my merry way. Probably not the prettiest jump, but it counts.

Thank you Progression Kiteboarding Disk 1!


LOL

You mean Progression Disk 2 (Intermediate Vol1)? I love those DVDs. They are great.

Kazan
QLD, 699 posts
11 Mar 2013 10:08AM
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SaltySinus said...
Ouch, you know you've had a bad day when you're in the road or in the shrubs...

Yeah, good tip, practice your self landings with a mate who is perhaps down wind of the kite and can help you if things go astray.

FYI, I did my first jump last night. Did I mention that?


We should start a thread on SELF ##### (ie where #### = Landing, Launching, Rescue, etc). It really is a great skill to learn and adds to your control of the kite.

Here is a tip on self landing and it worked every time with me, but it depends on the conditions:

* In light winds self landing and launching is easier to control (I said CONTROL) than it is in windy days. In windy days, it's easier to kick off the kite from a launching position or drop it off the sky to self land, but it's way harder to control and by that I mean keeping the kite steady from 3 oclock through to 12. I've seen some people attempt it in windy post 20knot days and the kites go PING up like a full on erection and actually almost loft people with it! So be warned.
But on light wind days, I highly recommend this tip:

* try and land the kite at the water's edge. Why? Because the water's edge is where small waves curl the most onto the sand and could actually help "flatten" and hold your kite allowing time for you to retrieve it. I do this almost religiously now and it works all the time. So what you do is lower the kite about 10 feet off the waters edge and with a steady but hard yank, pull on the left line (if landing the kite to the left edge of the window) or the right line (if landing the kite to the right of the edge window) and then let it plonk into the waters edge. Try and time it with the biggest wave possible, so that the curl "catches" the kite by dumping water over it. What this does is that the kite is fully soaked and so it's heavy and held down for a few moments, and by yanking on the line, the kite parks itself as best possible into the wind, so that again you are helping it park. The combo of turning the kite, and water lapping over the top at the water's edge, should hold the kite down enough for you to retrieve it.

The best part about the above, is you don't have to release your quick-release to depower the kite. Infact I hardly ever do now with the above trick.



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