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You're not royalty - just because you paid $$$

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Created by loftywinds2 > 9 months ago, 11 Dec 2015
Gustyas
61 posts
13 Dec 2015 1:38PM
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That's absolutely correct. Be in Sales if you are ready to deal with any type of customer. Those are the ones paying your bills. Easy. Lack of competition and representing a highly demanded brand may help temporarily but in the end only good customer service will determine how successful a business is.

loftywinds2
185 posts
18 Dec 2015 9:56AM
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burnsy11 said..
+1 for wa action sports - great service and support from the guys there.
But lofty you are a knob...


?!?!?!?

So venting about kooks like you that vent on shops, and I am a knob?!

This country is fooked

loftywinds2
185 posts
18 Dec 2015 9:59AM
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Plummet said..

loftywinds2 said..
I have to vent here, as I saw something pretty stupid but seems to be common as it's the third time I've seen it now.

Kooks - if you buy gear new from a shop and things don't work (leaks, workmanship, etc) please don't run into a shop with an attitude expecting the shop owner to drop everything and give you 100% satisfaction - or else!

Yeah I know you've forked out big $$ for it all, but that does not give you the right to think a shop would or should treat you like royalty.

One kook broke his foot strap out on a session in front of a kite shop owner that he bought the board from, and came back frothing shoving the board into this guys hands like as if it was an unwanted baby or something. He expected the entire board to be swapped over with a new one.

Ahhhh - sorry sunshines but do you know what shop owners have to do to pay for insurance and supplier refunds?! It ain't as simple as that.

Just sayin. Some pricks really need an attitude adjustment about kite surfing and it ain't about being cool on the beach - oh look at me **** either.



The irony of this post is that you come on here ranting just like one of the "pricks that need an attitude adjustment"

So will acting the exact same way as they do changes their attitude? I don't think so.




Get real Plums! All I did was come across with an attitude due to someone else's stupid attitude towards a shop owner. So how did you want me to phrase this thread then? -- "... ahhh excuse me all your highnesses of Seabreeze... but.. ahhh.. hmmm I saw something that really upset me... boo hooo... and I wanted to share it with you all so that we are all on a more positive attitude next time you or I get upset over the little things in life...!!""

FMD

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
18 Dec 2015 11:05AM
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might also pay for the people who are throwing around consumer protection laws to maybe read up on the rules and regulations . You cannot just got straight back into a shop and demand a new item . There is whats called RRR repair/replace/refund . The business is also protected .


The biggest issue is how shops deal with it . I get threatened all the time with consumer affairs but i know what is legally required of me before i swap something out , I have to deal with deadset f$cking idiot people off the street and they are the worst . Even had the cops called on me .



bjw
QLD, 3686 posts
19 Dec 2015 6:04AM
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Its surprising how often people threaten to call the cops Dusta.

People always say that the respect people who work in retail, but when things dont go their way they carry on like pork chops and forget about respect.

Loftywinds
QLD, 2060 posts
19 Dec 2015 12:57PM
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bjw said..
Its surprising how often people threaten to call the cops Dusta.

People always say that the respect people who work in retail, but when things dont go their way they carry on like pork chops and forget about respect.


Exactly my point

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
19 Dec 2015 11:01AM
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dusta said..


I get threatened all the time with consumer affairs but i know what is legally required of me before i swap something out. Even had the cops called on me .





What are you selling ?

Secondhand cars ?

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
19 Dec 2015 1:24PM
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waveslave said..

dusta said..


I get threatened all the time with consumer affairs but i know what is legally required of me before i swap something out. Even had the cops called on me .






What are you selling ?

Secondhand cars ?


second hand vespa's actually

Absolutbeginer
QLD, 105 posts
19 Dec 2015 10:17PM
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More often than not, the service you receive for warranty claims is more a reflection on the wholesaler than the shop selling it to you.
I had one supplier that was simply a case of a phone call and maybe a picture after the fact, they would confirm replacement on the day while the customer was there watching the call being made, get it shipped the same day and tell you to return the faulty one in the packaging that the replacement one come in or simply bin it.

Others want you to purchase a replacement, give that to the customer and then send back the old one for a credit.
Others want the gear back for inspection and then maybe replacement and usually the time blows out to weeks.

Often the dip**** that handles warranty has no idea how the product works and whether or not there is a legitimate claim and others simply stonewall and play the hardline to the retailer that it is not warranty, even when it obviously is, and the retailer is left to pay for replacement and live with it because the wholesaler says that they are the only supplier and do as they say or we won't supply you.

That is the reason why some people have problems with a retail shop and others don't, it just reflects how big a dickhead the wholesaler is for that particular product.

Some shops will simply absorb replacement losses like this and some have a big enough purchase power with the wholesaler to make them come to the party.

This all gets harder and harder as customers push margins because of online pricing.
So in the end ya gets what you asked for, shops selling for online prices and as much hassle with warranty as an online store.

For me now, it's simply get things at the best price and assume that there is no warranty and get it fixed myself.
Quicker and less stressful.
If a shop then surprises me with good warranty after providing a good selling price, then they have me as a customer for life.




Freddofrog
WA, 522 posts
19 Dec 2015 8:19PM
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Loftywinds, you have a lot to learn about customer service. Of course you treat customers who spend $$$ like royalty. They're paying more of your salary, rent, profit etc why wouldn't you want to show a bit more appreciation for that?

Currently every business is sending thank you gifts to their best customers, from Xmas cards to wine hampers to extravagant fishing trips. Guess who gets the fishing trips, it ain't the cheap arse ones.....

Freddofrog
WA, 522 posts
19 Dec 2015 8:47PM
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Actually my experience is claiming warranty is largely dependent on the shop. Larger shops (Myer/K-mart/Bunnings etc) just check your receipt and refund. Smaller shops have to call suppliers, get RMA numbers, send away to verify the fault bla bla.

Today I returned coffee grinder to Myer 2 weeks shy of 2 yr warranty period ending. Got given a new one immediately.

Three weeks ago I took router/modem in to small specialist computer store under warranty, still waiting for it to be returned. Incredibly frustrating.

Side note, my professional Pioneer DJ headphones disintegrated after a year. I called them a year later chasing parts and they offered to provide a new set of headphone from free! Now that is bloody good customer service! Now these were relatively expensive pro gear so I guess because I spent $$$, they did treat me like royalty :)

loftywinds2
185 posts
20 Dec 2015 6:53AM
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Frog, I agree. I was referring to rude customers expecting royalty.

Ahhh bugger this thread. What another totally lame waste of time just trying to make a point.

Hmm landbreeze.com.au. Yes!

Gorgo
VIC, 5098 posts
20 Dec 2015 10:43AM
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dusta said..
might also pay for the people who are throwing around consumer protection laws to maybe read up on the rules and regulations . You cannot just got straight back into a shop and demand a new item . There is whats called RRR repair/replace/refund . The business is also protected .


The biggest issue is how shops deal with it . I get threatened all the time with consumer affairs but i know what is legally required of me before i swap something out , I have to deal with deadset f$cking idiot people off the street and they are the worst . Even had the cops called on me .





Perhaps you might like to re-read the consumer laws just to clarify your understanding.

www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees

www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/repair-replace-refund

It seems to me the area of uncertainty are the definitions of "reasonable" and "minor".

Kraut
WA, 547 posts
20 Dec 2015 8:14AM
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Are you right lofty the post should have been answered by explaining that rule number one in sales is that "customer is king" hence a royalty obviously. The art of sales is to turn annoying potential customers into paying customers. If one is unable to achieve this as said by someone before perhaps sales is not the right profession for those.
Or otherwise, would medical professionals be able to reject an annoying stupid person, on drugs or not, and let them die?

Absolutbeginer
QLD, 105 posts
22 Dec 2015 6:08AM
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http://www.ziankites.com.au/pages/terms-conditions-1

This add come up while surfing around here.
The page linked is a great example of a seller or manufacturer trying to dodge responsibility with a load of hogwash crap that is only tempered by the compulsory addition of some text that has been screwed around as much as legally possible that say otherwise.

This is an Australian website and they bloody well know the laws, but still continue to try and bully the end user out of warranty with a bunch of legalise.

Enough so that having seen this I would not in any way wish to deal with them knowing that warranty is for sure going to be an argument.

Myer, K-mart and others mentioned above provide their own warranty and as a large organisation are under heavy scrutiny from watchdog organisations.
They will already have enough black marks against them that any further matters bought against them will cost them dearly in fines, so they all implement warranty action that looks like they care to their customers, but in reality it is cheaper for them to do so.

Some smaller shops that have not been taken to the cleaners for breaking consumer law yet, still try and get away with anything they can.
But three legit claims against them will see them in hot water........

Nate KSO
QLD, 91 posts
23 Dec 2015 11:53PM
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My knowledge to date is that a retailer can only offer a warranty if it is under manufacturers standard of claim. Simple :)

PRAWNDOG
WA, 306 posts
23 Dec 2015 10:25PM
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maybe not so simples..........

check out this link some interesting stuff in there

www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees

I find this part particularly interesting, I have been down this road before.......

The retailer can’t refuse to help you by sending you to the manufacturer or importer.




loftywinds2
185 posts
24 Dec 2015 12:12PM
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Nathan SKS said..
My knowledge to date is that a retailer can only offer a warranty if it is under manufacturers standard of claim. Simple :)


I'd swear Nathan you are under Zian's payroll. Come on. Out with it! What relationship do you have with these Austrians?

loftywinds2
185 posts
24 Dec 2015 12:21PM
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Nathan SKS said..
My knowledge to date is that a retailer can only offer a warranty if it is under manufacturers standard of claim. Simple :)


The website clearly states..."All refunds are made at the discretion of www.ziankites.com.au.". So any warranty claim has to be assessed by head honcho in Austria as a yes or nay. If nay, the consumer then has to argue it in a Western Australian court, according to their T&C.

Absolutbeginer
QLD, 105 posts
24 Dec 2015 9:50PM
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They could have saved a lot of words by just saying that in the event of trouble they are cuunts and you should buy elsewhere.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
24 Dec 2015 9:24PM
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loftywinds2 said...
Nathan SKS said..
My knowledge to date is that a retailer can only offer a warranty if it is under manufacturers standard of claim. Simple :)


I'd swear Nathan you are under Zian's payroll. Come on. Out with it! What relationship do you have with these Austrians?


F..k all I'd say as there dutch
A kites a kite, some are better than others
I'd not put a warranty on kooks constantly crashing kites due to piss poor kite control

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
24 Dec 2015 9:32PM
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So your on your new branded kite
You've not put the time and effort into flying your kite prior to picking up a board
Throw in the fact that your mate who can basically not keep himself upwind has given you lessons
You dump it in the drink, due to your lack of knowledge you spend 5 mins trying to relaunch the kite in the wrong position,
You refuse to pull your safety as your kites getting stretched in every bit of swell and whitewash
Eventually your kite tears,
But hey it's not my fault , I'm gonna bag the crap out of the brand and retailer, not your own shortcuts in being competent with kite skills prior to getting on a board

JBFletch
QLD, 1287 posts
26 Dec 2015 10:26AM
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cauncy said...
So your on your new branded kite
You've not put the time and effort into flying your kite prior to picking up a board
Throw in the fact that your mate who can basically not keep himself upwind has given you lessons
You dump it in the drink, due to your lack of knowledge you spend 5 mins trying to relaunch the kite in the wrong position,
You refuse to pull your safety as your kites getting stretched in every bit of swell and whitewash
Eventually your kite tears,
But hey it's not my fault , I'm gonna bag the crap out of the brand and retailer, not your own shortcuts in being competent with kite skills prior to getting on a board



Thanks for saying it...

I once had a guy try and claim a crack in the edge of a surfboard.
He said he'd only ridden in strapless and in light wind.
Little did he know I was at his local beach for 2 days and saw him doing huge boosts and trying kiteloops (with straps) in 25knot plus for 2 days straight.
We fixed it out of courtesy but it's not what a surfboard is made for.

If everyone pleaded innocent on all issues, all brands would go broke.
Part of the problem is taking ownership and responsibility.
I've been in situation with a brand new custom shortboard that snapped on second day 2. Unfortunately I had to suck it up.

Merry Christmas

PRAWNDOG
WA, 306 posts
26 Dec 2015 2:03PM
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would of been nice if north took responsibility of the piss poor construction of the 2014 nuggets, that are notorious for falling apart. Just read the threads everyone will tell you how fun they are to ride but then back it up with how they have to repair a new crack after every session

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
26 Dec 2015 5:25PM
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JBFletch said..

cauncy said...
So your on your new branded kite
You've not put the time and effort into flying your kite prior to picking up a board
Throw in the fact that your mate who can basically not keep himself upwind has given you lessons
You dump it in the drink, due to your lack of knowledge you spend 5 mins trying to relaunch the kite in the wrong position,
You refuse to pull your safety as your kites getting stretched in every bit of swell and whitewash
Eventually your kite tears,
But hey it's not my fault , I'm gonna bag the crap out of the brand and retailer, not your own shortcuts in being competent with kite skills prior to getting on a board




Thanks for saying it...

I once had a guy try and claim a crack in the edge of a surfboard.
He said he'd only ridden in strapless and in light wind.
Little did he know I was at his local beach for 2 days and saw him doing huge boosts and trying kiteloops (with straps) in 25knot plus for 2 days straight.
We fixed it out of courtesy but it's not what a surfboard is made for.

If everyone pleaded innocent on all issues, all brands would go broke.
Part of the problem is taking ownership and responsibility.
I've been in situation with a brand new custom shortboard that snapped on second day 2. Unfortunately I had to suck it up.

Merry Christmas


What came first: people stretching the truth or companties refusing to honor legitimate claims by hiding behind legaleeze to save some bucks...?

djoblin
99 posts
26 Dec 2015 3:55PM
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i would say truth stretching was invented before anything else.

Do you honestly think that Shop owners want to rip folks off, why do you think 99% of us get into this business.

We get into it so we can see the smiles on folks faces when we get them on the right kit, the right instruction, out in the water doing what we love, and if we are really lucky we can wring a living out of it. NO ONE IN KITESURFING OR SUP RETAIL IS MAKING IT HUGE.

In addition to that every one of us knows that we want to be in for the long haul, so we are going to go out of our way to help, stay late so you can get on the water the next day. Put on Demo Days ( which cost a bundle BTW) have folks stop us on the way to the beach when we are on our time trying to get our session in after serving you all day. Work weekends all through the year, and all of Xmas too. WE CARE. we know customer service wins in the long term.

But in addition to that we have all had our Share of Tyre kickers, rip offs, truth benders, and self entitled customers.
we have one guy who comes in a asked about the new boards for the last 5 years, every time trying to get us to comp him one for a week here or there, he will never buy anything. he runs a mile when you suggest he pay a rental that will be refunded when he buys a board.

Be nice to your LOCAL shop there are folks out there who don't want to see this type of business continue, then who will deal with all your crap.



JBFletch
QLD, 1287 posts
26 Dec 2015 6:17PM
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PRAWNDOG said...
would of been nice if north took responsibility of the piss poor construction of the 2014 nuggets, that are notorious for falling apart. Just read the threads everyone will tell you how fun they are to ride but then back it up with how they have to repair a new crack after every session


I'll be the first to admit we have had products in the past that haven't held up to there expectations. And we warrantied these.
If you have issues with gear, we including our dealers are happy to help solve them. (See customer with ION harness buckle issues a few threads back). But there is nothing worse then being slammed online, by a fake identity. Especially when we haven't been given a chance to sort the problem out.

Don't forget the reason why you kite!

loftywinds2
185 posts
27 Dec 2015 6:20AM
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Be nice to your LOCAL shop there are folks out there who don't want to see this type of business continue, then who will deal with all your crap.





LOL. How about shops be nice to the kiting community and not be so up themselves and think they own the beach

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
27 Dec 2015 4:34PM
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loftywinds2 said..

djoblin said..

Be nice to your LOCAL shop there are folks out there who don't want to see this type of business continue, then who will deal with all your crap.






LOL. How about shops be nice to the kiting community and not be so up themselves and think they own the beach


Make up your mind!



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