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You're not royalty - just because you paid $$$

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Created by loftywinds2 > 9 months ago, 11 Dec 2015
loftywinds2
185 posts
11 Dec 2015 9:32AM
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I have to vent here, as I saw something pretty stupid but seems to be common as it's the third time I've seen it now.

Kooks - if you buy gear new from a shop and things don't work (leaks, workmanship, etc) please don't run into a shop with an attitude expecting the shop owner to drop everything and give you 100% satisfaction - or else!

Yeah I know you've forked out big $$ for it all, but that does not give you the right to think a shop would or should treat you like royalty.

One kook broke his foot strap out on a session in front of a kite shop owner that he bought the board from, and came back frothing shoving the board into this guys hands like as if it was an unwanted baby or something. He expected the entire board to be swapped over with a new one.

Ahhhh - sorry sunshines but do you know what shop owners have to do to pay for insurance and supplier refunds?! It ain't as simple as that.

Just sayin. Some pricks really need an attitude adjustment about kite surfing and it ain't about being cool on the beach - oh look at me **** either.

kemp90
QLD, 1694 posts
11 Dec 2015 11:43AM
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There is definitely no need for that sort of rubbish

James
WA, 549 posts
11 Dec 2015 9:45AM
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How did ya know he was a kook, did ya ask him

sir ROWDY
WA, 5366 posts
11 Dec 2015 9:46AM
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True.

windreams
QLD, 258 posts
11 Dec 2015 12:02PM
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Yep there’s some arrogant pricks in this world – just came home from a visit to my Physio and he was telling me about a person coming into the clinic asking for an appointment and was told the earliest would be in a week to which he said “no I need it earlier” and left. The Physio assumed he was going to try somewhere else but he returned 2 weeks later demanding he be seen then and there as he had taken the day off work to see a physio.

What’s that saying: “Bad planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part”

Your thick as 2 bricks if you think arrogance is going to get you anywhere fast…

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1896 posts
11 Dec 2015 10:20AM
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Yes unfortunately a lot of people are of the me me me attitude - just look at driver habbits...

I bought some gear from ActionSportsWa http://actionsportswa.com.au/en/index.php/kite-home.

It became faulty - took it back - they were happy to replaced it with a new one..

Top Blokes there - I'll keep going back because of the excellent service..

Sammyjay
VIC, 180 posts
11 Dec 2015 1:22PM
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There's dickheads in all aspect of life.

Take the safety labels off everything and let nature take its course.

LostDog
WA, 445 posts
11 Dec 2015 10:33AM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Yes unfortunately a lot of people are of the me me me attitude - just look at driver habbits...

I bought some gear from ActionSportsWa http://actionsportswa.com.au/en/index.php/kite-home.

It became faulty - took it back - they were happy to replaced it with a new one..

Top Blokes there - I'll keep going back because of the excellent service..


I'll take my opportunity here, even though it may be off topic.
Daryl and Todd are top blokes (and their staff know what they're doing too)

1. Bought harness with inflatable bladder for back support. Bladder had leak, went into store and they pulled one out of their other stock to put in mine and said they'll sort the claim out - it was a faulty bladder.
2. Bought a Dynabar (not from them) and couldn't fit it to said harness above. Went to see them and they gave me the buckles... I mean who does that, who just gives **** away? Ok, perhaps they should have shouted louder when chasing me to my car.
3. Recently went to get a pair of seaspecs from them and walked out with a new kite and north nugget - OK this time they made me pay, but the deal I got I cannot buy second hand gear for.

I'm really chuffed with their service and would gladly go and negotiate with them before going on the net.

kungfupete
VIC, 149 posts
11 Dec 2015 1:38PM
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Sounds like a case of being a dip ****

Gustyas
61 posts
11 Dec 2015 10:53AM
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Compared to a lot of other countries service levels in OZ are rubbish. I am talking about all services not only retail customer service. Restaurants are the worst. We are too polite and chilled to complain.
I have had good and not so good experiences with kite shops throughout various states here. It was always a genuine warranty claim everyone agreed. But the level of customer attitude and satisfaction varied heavily.
So while it is great to name and appreciate some of the shops let's also be a bit realistic and not forget that customer should be king in any sales related matters. Adequate etiquette and behaviour needs to include the customer though.

towradgi
NSW, 431 posts
11 Dec 2015 3:18PM
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Define KOOK....Isn't this more about consumer personality rather than consumer category? Are you going to tell me a shop sponsored team rider ,who gets it for nothing or a regular customer who spends $6000 a year at the shop isn't going to maybe respond the same as the Kook. Also if a new $4000 t.v.set , a fanbelt on a new $50000 car, a chain on a new $3000 pushbike all broke the first day of purchase ,how the would the consumer react? Is he a kook too?...

IanR
NSW, 1322 posts
11 Dec 2015 3:37PM
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LostDog
The owner of ActionSportsWA name is Darren not Daryl
If I Call him Daryl I'd get a lashing
They are top blokes who understand customer service, they want customers for life.

Not just interested in a quick sale , wish my local store understood this!!

Greenarrowz
NSW, 301 posts
11 Dec 2015 4:20PM
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But it says royal on the board lol

Good customer service is memorable.
Some people are never happy though.

Mex
QLD, 106 posts
11 Dec 2015 3:39PM
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That's excellent service Lost dog. Good to know as I have had a very unpleasant experience of late. Still shaking my head in disbelief!
Goes both ways!

Kay1982
WA, 276 posts
11 Dec 2015 3:42PM
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G'day everyone ja back in the day I worked in a factory/shop that sold surfski's etc and the amount of flack you would cop if someones gear failed and stopped them doing their thing over the weekend was amazing- I had a company ceo who was also a mate of mine come out swinging straight out of his car because his paddle broke on the start line of a surfski race -we didn't even make those paddles we just sold them- on a monday. The thing is, is that people can handle pretty much anything at work because its not real life and they are paid to be there but if you fxxk with their free time -their actual life- they will get you for it. Aswell add to that the usual absolute shxxhouse service you get from your local shop " yea man pick your kite up on the way to the beach its all here" the shop is closed so you drove for a hour for nothing and now are driving home for an hour because you have no kite then no one answers your phone calls for a week because they are all out kiteing then you catch one in the car park as they are leaving and ask them if you can pick up your kite that you paid for a month ago so they go with you to the shop unlock it and your kite is there but: "yea man the bars gone walkabout but just pick it up next time you go to the beach". I can well imagine if that kite had been fxxt when I finally got it out what I would have done. Do you know how many mushrooms I have to bleach just to buy a secondhand board? To the OP who was the shop owner for some context?

Kay1982
WA, 276 posts
11 Dec 2015 3:56PM
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Aswell there's no excuse for being a axxxole and iv'e had really good service from fun supply in darwin and kite republick in melbourne thank you both!

Mark _australia
WA, 23452 posts
11 Dec 2015 6:50PM
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And here is me thinking this thread was going to be about euro tourists dropping in on waves....

burnsy11
WA, 122 posts
11 Dec 2015 7:29PM
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+1 for wa action sports - great service and support from the guys there.
But lofty you are a knob...

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
11 Dec 2015 10:56PM
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If people got upset because someone made their (free time ) as Awkward customer said, there would be a few weather men with out there targets on their back ....I can tell you.....

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
11 Dec 2015 11:29PM
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loftywinds2 said..

Ahhhh - sorry sunshines but do you know what shop owners have to do to pay for insurance and supplier refunds?! It ain't as simple as that.


No screw that -- if you can't handle the service side of business because it's "expensive" or inconveniences you, tough. The reason people pay all that mark-up to the representative retailer is to have you represent them to the company when things go wrong with the retail goods.

Sure, a crappy attitude is uncalled for but that's what being in the service industry is like -- dealing with the dickheaded masses. Ask the owner of Epic kites about dealing with uber-dickheads from WA... or just check his Facebook page.

4XL
VIC, 222 posts
12 Dec 2015 7:32AM
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Please. . . Good Customer service is easy. . . But most businesses for some reason find it hard. Contrary to popular belief the customer is not always right and in many cases are dodgy and try to rip yoh off. Nonetheless, it is easy to provide good service and when u find it you return. . . . Best way to deal with the good and bad. . . . . Whether u spend $5 or $5000 it has no relevance. . . . . And I treat my customers so.

In kiting you need someone who wants your business and provides that service to do so. . .

For my business I deal with public all the time . . . Every customer is important to a point. . . . I can only do best. .
And already mentioned some people are never satisfied. . . . . Their expectations on reality are fuzzy

2 cents

Plummet
4862 posts
12 Dec 2015 4:46AM
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loftywinds2 said..
I have to vent here, as I saw something pretty stupid but seems to be common as it's the third time I've seen it now.

Kooks - if you buy gear new from a shop and things don't work (leaks, workmanship, etc) please don't run into a shop with an attitude expecting the shop owner to drop everything and give you 100% satisfaction - or else!

Yeah I know you've forked out big $$ for it all, but that does not give you the right to think a shop would or should treat you like royalty.

One kook broke his foot strap out on a session in front of a kite shop owner that he bought the board from, and came back frothing shoving the board into this guys hands like as if it was an unwanted baby or something. He expected the entire board to be swapped over with a new one.

Ahhhh - sorry sunshines but do you know what shop owners have to do to pay for insurance and supplier refunds?! It ain't as simple as that.

Just sayin. Some pricks really need an attitude adjustment about kite surfing and it ain't about being cool on the beach - oh look at me **** either.


The irony of this post is that you come on here ranting just like one of the "pricks that need an attitude adjustment"

So will acting the exact same way as they do changes their attitude? I don't think so.


djt91184
QLD, 1211 posts
12 Dec 2015 7:40AM
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Shops should allways be 100% honest with the quality of second hand gear they are trying to flog to poor noobs who don't know any better. A "near new kite" should not lose pressure after half a hour.

Gorgo
VIC, 5098 posts
12 Dec 2015 1:36PM
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loftywinds2 said..
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Kooks - if you buy gear new from a shop and things don't work (leaks, workmanship, etc) please don't run into a shop with an attitude expecting the shop owner to drop everything and give you 100% satisfaction - or else!

Yeah I know you've forked out big $$ for it all, but that does not give you the right to think a shop would or should treat you like royalty.

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Errrm. Why not? Under the uniform Australian consumer laws a product has to:
- be fit for purpose
- do what they said it does
- last a reasonable time

Failing obvious user error and reasonable wear and tear, why wouldn't you expect the shop to rectify the situation. The shop has to rectify the problem and they have to do it at their own expense and they have to do it in a reasonable time. The manufacturer has nothing to do with it.

I understand that shops want to dodge unreasonable claims from clueless wingers, but that doesn't excuse the shop from their responsibilities to customers with legitimate problems.

dazza5172
SA, 311 posts
13 Dec 2015 10:28AM
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Yes we have consumer protection laws in Australia and the thing that most people don't understand is:
1. Manufacturer warranties are NOT statutory protection
2. Statutory protection says you re protected regardless of the warranty, as Gorgo states above.

the Manufacturer can say that it has a 3 month warranty but that does not mean the statutory protection only covers it for 3 months, it could cover it for 1 day or 20 years depending on what is considered reasonable.

example in South Australia a case on a fridge claim was that it broke down after the manufacturers warranty of 12 months, the judge stated however that a fridge must last longer than 12 months, more like 5 - 10 years and in which case the consumer was protected.

the other thing is that the manufacturer is often used as a first point of call with claims when going back to the retailer, this however is wrong as the responsibility is with the retailer, that's the reality, the retailer can then take it up with the manufactures as they have rights too.

There is no excuse for poor behaviour as a consumer unless they are not being treated fairly, and its why the good shops / dealers form good relationships with their customers, its the only way to run a business. that's never changed.

Daz

eppo
WA, 9688 posts
13 Dec 2015 8:34AM
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I hear and read about these stories of poor customer service. Action sports, westoz, WA surf, KSS, GSS (even kite power and briskites have helped me out on a Few smaller things) never had an issue with any of these guys and as you know I've bought and changed gear a lot over the years.... and have had gear 'issues' along the way.

Maybe ive been lucky or maybe I just don't act like a complete cu:t.

Kraut
WA, 547 posts
13 Dec 2015 9:42AM
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or maybe people know you may be a pain to deal with if left unhappy

I keep on buying even from those who dealt with issues in a less customer friendly way than others and what I consider exceptional service. Giving them a chance to do it better next time . Also, writing off some money affects my quality of life in a lesser way than frustration does or even worse, not having the gear to hit the water at any time.

Gustyas
61 posts
13 Dec 2015 11:00AM
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Will it pay off to invest in superb customer service so that people will come back and buy gear again? Or is it more profitable to focus on on off sales? Such as selling gear to newbies?

Kozzie
QLD, 1451 posts
13 Dec 2015 1:00PM
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i just buy all sporting goods from distributors rather then dealers. probably not supposed to but man does it make a hell of alot more sense to do so.

eppo
WA, 9688 posts
13 Dec 2015 11:44AM
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RussKraut said..
or maybe people know you may be a pain to deal with if left unhappy

I keep on buying even from those who dealt with issues in a less customer friendly way than others and what I consider exceptional service. Giving them a chance to do it better next time . Also, writing off some money affects my quality of life in a lesser way than frustration does or even worse, not having the gear to hit the water at any time.




Nah I'm just a big softy, you know that...

Ercorn
QLD, 199 posts
13 Dec 2015 1:52PM
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No reason for bad customer service though.

if it's all too hard for the shop owner maybe they should gain suitable employment and sell the business.

One happy Kook is a better advertisement than one pissed off Kook.

just sayin



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