Hey men.
So what is the best type of TT if you want to boost to the moon in the waves.
I still want to ride some waves and need to ride through chop nicely. Some waves will be big so i need a board that is stable on the wave face.
But the primary objective is to ride as fast as possible toward the wave and boosts as long and high as possible.
I'm not a freestyler so a little lightboard for tricks is not required. But a do enjoy an epic storm session with insane wind and see conditions. So i want to be riding aggresively in those conditions.
What are your thoughts?
Shinn monk 135-42 or a dundee, if you've owned a few tts and a decent rider you'll appreciate how good a board they are, the monk loves to be ridden fast , had a session last night that would be the type of conditions I think you're describing, it was epic
well first things first.
dont even bother reading anyones reccomendations of boards or brands. seriously.
second thing is figure out what makes a board boost? is it the rocker? is it the stiffness? then once youve learnt that then just find the style of board thats has the most of whatever that characteristic is.
so one thing for sure is your not after an allrounder board. your looking for one of the ones made either to the far left or far right.
and seriously cauncy what a lovely story.
Select to expand quoteKozzie said...
well first things first.
dont even bother reading anyones reccomendations of boards or brands. seriously.
second thing is figure out what makes a board boost? is it the rocker? is it the stiffness? then once youve learnt that then just find the style of board thats has the most of whatever that characteristic is.
so one thing for sure is your not after an allrounder board. your looking for one of the ones made either to the far left or far right.
and seriously cauncy what a lovely story.
I take it you've not had much wind lately
Without a doubt the Cabrina Custom would have to be a top contender for its super lightweight design and jumping abilities.
It's a rocket.
Followed closely by the Prodigy..
Select to expand quotecauncy said..Kozzie said...
well first things first.
dont even bother reading anyones reccomendations of boards or brands. seriously.
second thing is figure out what makes a board boost? is it the rocker? is it the stiffness? then once youve learnt that then just find the style of board thats has the most of whatever that characteristic is.
so one thing for sure is your not after an allrounder board. your looking for one of the ones made either to the far left or far right.
and seriously cauncy what a lovely story.
I take it you've not had much wind lately
hahaha yeah sorry :P well to be honest there was HEAPS of wind last week so i bought a new kite. then when i got the kite no wind for as far as the forcast reads. sorry if i seemed a bit harsh but we could all spend all day talking about what we like but it never helps anyone what we need to do is help them figure out what they like.
Select to expand quoteNoBS said..
Without a doubt the Cabrina Custom would have to be a top contender for its super lightweight design and jumping abilities.
It's a rocket.
Followed closely by the Prodigy..
ive been rideing a custom for 3 years and i gotto disagree. alltho the high wakestyle rocker does make it very easy to handle alot of chop and the stiffness lets you load alot of pop i get much more height out of a less rocker board with wider ends. the custom tapers in at the nose and tail. where as there caliber widens. i find it ALOT easyer to load more of the board under pressure with a wider nose and tail this allso means that the pressure is not just greater but spread more evenly along the back rail and bottom half of the board. sometimes when i release from the custom instead of just geting height like OP wants it kind of peels out in a rolling motion. this loss of energy may be the cause. but who knows. its a mystery.
hay plummet wasnt it you who was MAKEING board on XK fair few years ago ?!? if not i bet whoever that was would be able to point you in right direction....could of sworn was you tho....
Select to expand quoteKozzie said..NoBS said..
Without a doubt the Cabrina Custom would have to be a top contender for its super lightweight design and jumping abilities.
It's a rocket.
Followed closely by the Prodigy..
ive been rideing a custom for 3 years and i gotto disagree. alltho the high wakestyle rocker does make it very easy to handle alot of chop and the stiffness lets you load alot of pop i get much more height out of a less rocker board with wider ends. the custom tapers in at the nose and tail. where as there caliber widens. i find it ALOT easyer to load more of the board under pressure with a wider nose and tail this allso means that the pressure is not just greater but spread more evenly along the back rail and bottom half of the board. sometimes when i release from the custom instead of just geting height like OP wants it kind of peels out in a rolling motion. this loss of energy may be the cause. but who knows. its a mystery.
Disclosure: I know the designer plus I also ride one.
I'd look at getting a Sugarqube
Nice concave for eating chop and the right amount of flex for landing loops and big jumps. This isnt a board on rails like the typicial wake stye board.
www.sugarqube.com.au/
Select to expand quoteKozzie said...cauncy said..Kozzie said...
well first things first.
dont even bother reading anyones reccomendations of boards or brands. seriously.
second thing is figure out what makes a board boost? is it the rocker? is it the stiffness? then once youve learnt that then just find the style of board thats has the most of whatever that characteristic is.
so one thing for sure is your not after an allrounder board. your looking for one of the ones made either to the far left or far right.
and seriously cauncy what a lovely story.
I take it you've not had much wind lately
hahaha yeah sorry :P well to be honest there was HEAPS of wind last week so i bought a new kite. then when i got the kite no wind for as far as the forcast reads. sorry if i seemed a bit harsh but we could all spend all day talking about what we like but it never helps anyone what we need to do is help them figure out what they like.
No worries, I've got 2 menstrating women in my house at the moment so used to bitchy comments
Select to expand quoteUnderoath said..
Disclosure: I know the designer plus I also ride one.
I'd look at getting a Sugarqube
Nice concave for eating chop and the right amount of flex for landing loops and big jumps. This isnt a board on rails like the typicial wake stye board.
www.sugarqube.com.au/
The disclosure speaks for itself......
So, whats wrong with that? it just shows Underoaths integrity and hes probably more belivable than the 50% pimps out there not disclosing...
And some will want to say, he got a SUGARQUBE despite knowing me...just another endorsement for the product
Select to expand quoteNoBS said..Kozzie said..NoBS said..
Without a doubt the Cabrina Custom would have to be a top contender for its super lightweight design and jumping abilities.
It's a rocket.
Followed closely by the Prodigy..
ive been rideing a custom for 3 years and i gotto disagree. alltho the high wakestyle rocker does make it very easy to handle alot of chop and the stiffness lets you load alot of pop i get much more height out of a less rocker board with wider ends. the custom tapers in at the nose and tail. where as there caliber widens. i find it ALOT easyer to load more of the board under pressure with a wider nose and tail this allso means that the pressure is not just greater but spread more evenly along the back rail and bottom half of the board. sometimes when i release from the custom instead of just geting height like OP wants it kind of peels out in a rolling motion. this loss of energy may be the cause. but who knows. its a mystery.
i give up
OP just buy whatever the guy who yells the loudest and most often says to. surely he has his best intrests at heart and its not A. so he makes $$$ or B. hes an idiot who fell for the marketing and thinks now you have to be one to so he appears to be less of an idiot.
Plummet makes his own boards, so he's probably looking for ideas as to what factors make a tt a mega boaster, rather than looking for the best one to buy.
I'm pretty new to jumping and i ride a surfboard, but the board factor that makes the biggest difference to me in how big I go and how how hard I stack it is speed, speed, speed. So I reckon build a really fast one for going to the moon.
But I do know very little for sure.
The sugarqubes are are superbly made board, great pads and straps, but overengineered and but a bit too stiff for me, id rate them as good as the xrides for comfort of ride,they look a board that you can continuosly smash around and theyll still look great, ive had a heap of boards and rode a lot, but for me the origonal monk is a standout for mentioned conditions, ive passed this board around more times than i can remember and ive honestly only had great feedback, its a board that likes to be ridden fast and performs differently on a lesser powered kite, ive got 2 135 x 42s so if plummet wants a lend ill be happy to post it over,and he can tell us all what he thinks, ps plummet its not for sale
Select to expand quoteDave Whettingsteel said..
Plummet makes his own boards, so he's probably looking for ideas as to what factors make a tt a mega boaster, rather than looking for the best one to buy.
I'm pretty new to jumping and i ride a surfboard, but the board factor that makes the biggest difference to me in how big I go and how how hard I stack it is speed, speed, speed. So I reckon build a really fast one for going to the moon.
But I do know very little for sure.
Yeah boys. I make my own boards. Looks for ideas on a good boosters. But at the same time good in chop. The difficulty is to build a boarf with good pop and good in chop. Both aposing goals... keep the ideas rolling.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..Dave Whettingsteel said..
Plummet makes his own boards, so he's probably looking for ideas as to what factors make a tt a mega boaster, rather than looking for the best one to buy.
I'm pretty new to jumping and i ride a surfboard, but the board factor that makes the biggest difference to me in how big I go and how how hard I stack it is speed, speed, speed. So I reckon build a really fast one for going to the moon.
But I do know very little for sure.
Yeah boys. I make my own boards. Looks for ideas on a good boosters. But at the same time good in chop. The difficulty is to build a boarf with good pop and good in chop. Both aposing goals... keep the ideas rolling.
hey man,
i reckon for going huge and holding down in chop with speed you want a stiff board with rocker. basically you dont want a flat board at speed in chop as you will only be catching the nose the whole time. If the board is for boosting in high wind, the rocker wont be an issue either for getting going, as its going to be windy! Basically u will have a much softer landing and easier run into your jump with the rocker, but be sure to keep it pretty stiff, coz if its flexy the rocker will be usless, flattening out with any pressure. id suggest at least 5cm of rocker for this board.
Select to expand quotecauncy said..
The sugarqubes are are superbly made board, great pads and straps, but overengineered and but a bit too stiff for me, id rate them as good as the xrides for comfort of ride,they look a board that you can continuosly smash around and theyll still look great, ive had a heap of boards and rode a lot, but for me the origonal monk is a standout for mentioned conditions, ive passed this board around more times than i can remember and ive honestly only had great feedback, its a board that likes to be ridden fast and performs differently on a lesser powered kite, ive got 2 135 x 42s so if plummet wants a lend ill be happy to post it over,and he can tell us all what he thinks, ps plummet its not for sale
Funny you would say that Cauncy as others claim the SUGARQUBE has a fair bit of flex, but must mean your board is super soft, but then you fly two sizes bigger kites in the same conditions as myself, that will rip you off the water with a piece of drift wood you strap to your feet
Select to expand quoteewan kite said..Plummet said..Dave Whettingsteel said..
Plummet makes his own boards, so he's probably looking for ideas as to what factors make a tt a mega boaster, rather than looking for the best one to buy.
I'm pretty new to jumping and i ride a surfboard, but the board factor that makes the biggest difference to me in how big I go and how how hard I stack it is speed, speed, speed. So I reckon build a really fast one for going to the moon.
But I do know very little for sure.
Yeah boys. I make my own boards. Looks for ideas on a good boosters. But at the same time good in chop. The difficulty is to build a boarf with good pop and good in chop. Both aposing goals... keep the ideas rolling.
hey man,
i reckon for going huge and holding down in chop with speed you want a stiff board with rocker. basically you dont want a flat board at speed in chop as you will only be catching the nose the whole time. If the board is for boosting in high wind, the rocker wont be an issue either for getting going, as its going to be windy! Basically u will have a much softer landing and easier run into your jump with the rocker, but be sure to keep it pretty stiff, coz if its flexy the rocker will be usless, flattening out with any pressure. id suggest at least 5cm of rocker for this board.
I'm with Ewan on this. Plummett check out the new ultrasonic by Shinn. Now that looks a loading machine. I know cauncy loves the monk and its a beautiful board but I didn't like the lack of feedback to the rider (unless ridden at absolute break neck speed) and I felt timing the load and release difficult at times due to this lack of feedback. but that gives you that comfort in the chop or should I say through the chop as the monk cuts it to pieces! Hence I've enjoyed using the laluz 2013 lately, enough rocker for comfort but stiff through the core giving heaps off progressive feedback as to load up, also allowing to to load, pop and boost in a short space between a wave or chop line.
It really comes down to riding style ,I think plummet wants to hold an edge like a demon and ramp of a wave a couple of secs before it breaks so pop isn't just as important as loading up the edge ,my new Naish monarch does both well it's got great edging power due to the multichannel concave and its got great pop,prob is making a multichannel board is a bit complex, have ridden the W18 speedball and its a very nice board ,nice rocker and tons of flex,real soft landing and decent pop,gets going real early but I couldn't hold the edge when the wind ramped up as easy as on the monarch,but for a light wind boosting option in the surf it's nice,I wouldn't mind a go on a W16 what's the diff in size?
Select to expand quoteradman4 said..
I wouldn't mind a go on a W16 what's the diff in size?
Same length - the W16 is narrower - 43cm c/w 47cm.
Doesnt sound like much but demo feedback has been that theres a world of difference.
If you are not buying the Speedball to chase Lightwind then Mark Shinn puts the changeover at bw 70 & 80kgs.
Not enough demo feedback here to be really confident on advice as everyone says this board is 'very different' so its going to take some time-on-water from different riders - chasing different requirements - before the picture will be fully coloured in.
Pretty keen to send out demos.
Even if you arent intending to buy the Speedball - or even any new board - but would like to give it 'just -for-fun' run.
My initial guess is it will be a standout for heavy dudes who normally ride the big TT - say +90kgs riding 140's & above.
Having a 'little' board that still performs should be a real buzz experience.
Select to expand quoteSugarQube said..cauncy said..
The sugarqubes are are superbly made board, great pads and straps, but overengineered and but a bit too stiff for me, id rate them as good as the xrides for comfort of ride,they look a board that you can continuosly smash around and theyll still look great, ive had a heap of boards and rode a lot, but for me the origonal monk is a standout for mentioned conditions, ive passed this board around more times than i can remember and ive honestly only had great feedback, its a board that likes to be ridden fast and performs differently on a lesser powered kite, ive got 2 135 x 42s so if plummet wants a lend ill be happy to post it over,and he can tell us all what he thinks, ps plummet its not for sale
Funny you would say that Cauncy as others claim the SUGARQUBE has a fair bit of flex, but must mean your board is super soft, but then you fly two sizes bigger kites in the same conditions as myself, that will rip you off the water with a piece of drift wood you strap to your feet
not saying the board hasnt got flex, but if you put your or any board against the monk they dont match up for flex, which is important for some, ( when are you guys back up in dongara)
Lots of people here and kiteforum recommending shin boards mainly the monk for boostage and the speedball for chop.
Here's and idea What about a transgender sex change betweebthe speedball and monk? With a bit of eppo's luluz to boot?
Speedball width. for better light wind
monk heal side rails for sharp boosting tips
speedball toeside. DTL wave carving
stiff through the middle of the board to help load and pop.
concave to smooth chop out
reasonable rocker 50mm
stringer through the center section of the board at the tips but flexible tip edges to further smooth chop but still retain mega popability.
Oh yes carbon, bamboo for a more lively ride that should spring back faster for again more pop.... hopefully without being too lively.....
Can someone tell me what the width of the speed ball is?
I'm thinking about 136 x 45?
it sounds like your describing a surfboard.
there's only one proper tool for the job...
Select to expand quotesurfingboye said..
it sounds like your describing a surfboard.
there's only one proper tool for the job...
Really? A square tipped TT for boosting sounds like a surfboard?
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
Lots of people here and kiteforum recommending shin boards mainly the monk for boostage and the speedball for chop.
Here's and idea What about a transgender sex change betweebthe speedball and monk? With a bit of eppo's luluz to boot?
Speedball width. for better light wind
monk heal side rails for sharp boosting tips
speedball toeside. DTL wave carving
stiff through the middle of the board to help load and pop.
concave to smooth chop out
reasonable rocker 50mm
stringer through the center section of the board at the tips but flexible tip edges to further smooth chop but still retain mega popability.
Oh yes carbon, bamboo for a more lively ride that should spring back faster for again more pop.... hopefully without being too lively.....
Can someone tell me what the width of the speed ball is?
I'm thinking about 136 x 45?
heres a couple of photos to give you some ideas plummet
Plummet, best thing you can do is decide on a few boards and then demo them at the same time. I did this and ended up buying a board that I wasn't even thinking about. I ride like you described at the start of this post (I posted a video a while back doing big airs) and my board is a Cardboard freeride. It is good for boosting, has soft landings and you can get back upwind easy after doing big airs.
no the best thing to do is never ....i mean ever! ask such a stupid question again.
Select to expand quoteNthScb said...
Plummet, best thing you can do is decide on a few boards and then demo them at the same time. I did this and ended up buying a board that I wasn't even thinking about. I ride like you described at the start of this post (I posted a video a while back doing big airs) and my board is a Cardboard freeride. It is good for boosting, has soft landings and you can get back upwind easy after doing big airs.
Demoing the model s we are discussing is not an option locally.
