Select to expand quoteMonkers said...
from where I sit there is an overpopulation of Great Whites in WA waters..
How can you reasonably assess what , (as you put it) an overpopulation is , given that in most ecological systems , they sustain themselves overtime, hence the sentiment that you purport is merely suggesting there is an abundance of food for them in their environ.
66 sharks caught so far, but zero Great Whites.
It would seem this program is doing nothing to reduce shark attack risk given that every recent attack in WA (bar one) was by a Great White.
Every recent attack was believed to be by a GW, the same as every large shark sighting seems to reported to be a GW.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these attacks and sightings are in fact Tigers.
Select to expand quotePeterc150 said..
66 sharks caught so far, but zero Great Whites.
It would seem this program is doing nothing to reduce shark attack risk given that every recent attack in WA (bar one) was by a Great White.
You could argue that there have been no shark attacks since the drum line program started therefore it is a success.
However, I think there is a long road to travel to really see if its a good approach or not. As has been discussed elsewhere, the humpback migration is probably the primary attractor for big sharks and there sure ain't no whales around at the moment.
Int he words of "Breaking Bad" - Science btches!
You must watch this fascinating four-minute video on the effects of the re-introduction of wolves in Yellowstone National Park. Not only they affected the entire live of the park?increasing the number of species in it!?but actually changed the geography of the park itself, affecting the rivers in a way that positively affected everything.
www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/02/the-fascinating-story-of-how-wolves-changed-yellowstones-geography/
Now i know you guys are a bit slow in W.A. so The wolf in this case is an analogous with the great white and other Apex predators. The effects of destroying natural equilibrium has far reaching and un-thought of consequences.
Yes I nearly replied there yesterday but decided to leave it be the anti cull people have the blinkers on so I would rather leave to talk amongst themselves.
I was going to try to stay out of the debate altogether but couldn't help myself when I saw that video has been posted again, and yes I did watch it I try to see both sides.
I am not really pro cull (and cull is the wrong word that makes it sound like they want to wipe the species out which is so far from the truth) I just can't believe some of the stuff the anti cull people put forward, e.g. the above video.
Yes I know it is a important to not upset the balance of nature but that is my point so many people are jumping up and down about the sharks and then going and having fish for dinner.
Select to expand quotetightlines said..
Yes I nearly replied there yesterday but decided to leave it be the anti cull people have the blinkers on so I would rather leave to talk amongst themselves.
I was going to try to stay out of the debate altogether but couldn't help myself when I saw that video has been posted again, and yes I did watch it I try to see both sides.
I am not really pro cull (and cull is the wrong word that makes it sound like they want to wipe the species out which is so far from the truth) I just can't believe some of the stuff the anti cull people put forward, e.g. the above video.
Yes I know it is a important to not upset the balance of nature but that is my point so many people are jumping up and down about the sharks and then going and having fish for dinner.
Fish = food
Killing sharks them dumping them isnt constructive imo.
Select to expand quoteDave Whettingsteel said..Peterc150 said..
66 sharks caught so far, but zero Great Whites.
It would seem this program is doing nothing to reduce shark attack risk given that every recent attack in WA (bar one) was by a Great White.
You could argue that there have been no shark attacks since the drum line program started therefore it is a success.
However, I think there is a long road to travel to really see if its a good approach or not. As has been discussed elsewhere, the humpback migration is probably the primary attractor for big sharks and there sure ain't no whales around at the moment.
Have they got drums line out around Margaret River locations such as Gracetown, Yallingup and Dunsborough too, or is it just around Perth?
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..tightlines said..
Yes I nearly replied there yesterday but decided to leave it be the anti cull people have the blinkers on so I would rather leave to talk amongst themselves.
I was going to try to stay out of the debate altogether but couldn't help myself when I saw that video has been posted again, and yes I did watch it I try to see both sides.
I am not really pro cull (and cull is the wrong word that makes it sound like they want to wipe the species out which is so far from the truth) I just can't believe some of the stuff the anti cull people put forward, e.g. the above video.
Yes I know it is a important to not upset the balance of nature but that is my point so many people are jumping up and down about the sharks and then going and having fish for dinner.
Fish = food
Killing sharks them dumping them isnt constructive imo.
You're missing the point, yet again.
The point was raised about the imbalances that human manipulation can produce, and the fact that some people like to have a cry that the drumlines will cause a massive global imbalance in the marine ecosystem and doom us all, while conveniently ignoring the imbalances caused by generations of fishing.
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..tightlines said..
Yes I nearly replied there yesterday but decided to leave it be the anti cull people have the blinkers on so I would rather leave to talk amongst themselves.
I was going to try to stay out of the debate altogether but couldn't help myself when I saw that video has been posted again, and yes I did watch it I try to see both sides.
I am not really pro cull (and cull is the wrong word that makes it sound like they want to wipe the species out which is so far from the truth) I just can't believe some of the stuff the anti cull people put forward, e.g. the above video.
Yes I know it is a important to not upset the balance of nature but that is my point so many people are jumping up and down about the sharks and then going and having fish for dinner.
Fish = food
Killing sharks them dumping them isnt constructive imo.
Darth you are so right.
What the government needs to do is allow professional and non professional fishermen to fish for great whites. however set the size limit to over three metres. This way tax payers money isnt going into this drum lines campain. It's a win win situation. fish shops will love it. game fishing companies will love it, and it will make our waters safer.
Billykiter .. you are right one the money .. take them off the endangered species list (WA waters are filthy with them particularly when the whales are coming thru) ... set a size limit so you are not going to wipe them out .. game fishing , tourism , less shark fatal attacks and best of all fish n chips all round !!
Hey billy, I don't think the shops want sharks over 3m.
don't taste good and full of nasty chemicals. Sharks around 1m on the other-hand!
Select to expand quoteUnderoath said..
Hey billy, I don't think the shops want sharks over 3m. don't taste good and full of nasty chemicals. Sharks around 1m on the other-hand!
Well than maybe sell the 3m white pointers to cat food companys or export to China. I'm sure something/someone will eat them.
Come to think, if we export GW to china, we will probably end up buying it packaged up as barramundi from coles/woolies anyway.
Select to expand quotePeterc150 said..Dave Whettingsteel said..Peterc150 said..
66 sharks caught so far, but zero Great Whites.
It would seem this program is doing nothing to reduce shark attack risk given that every recent attack in WA (bar one) was by a Great White.
You could argue that there have been no shark attacks since the drum line program started therefore it is a success.
However, I think there is a long road to travel to really see if its a good approach or not. As has been discussed elsewhere, the humpback migration is probably the primary attractor for big sharks and there sure ain't no whales around at the moment.
Have they got drums line out around Margaret River locations such as Gracetown, Yallingup and Dunsborough too, or is it just around Perth?
Yes,there are drum lines set around the sw corner. I don't have a full list to hand but pretty much the locations where people have been chomped over the last couple of years. Which is pretty much the areas you mention.
Bottom line, whatever side of the debate you're on - drumlines are not going to reduce attacks. Attacks are random. GW's are migratory. They are opportunists. Dangling some pieces of meat off the coast ain't going to change **. If anything, throwing wounded, bloodied, "undersize" sharks back into the water is going to attract additional sharks to the area. Retarded policy.
Great to see so many now talking about the imbalance issue.
The radical greenies jump on any issue that gets some noise.
Im sure if for some reason herring fishing could enflame the population into public demonstrations we would soon see the bandwagon standing up for herrings rights.
But NO they couldnt give a rats about the millions of tons of unsensational fish slaughter that goes on every year without a sigh - or a banner wave - from anyone.
The more of the sharks fish food we eat the more they are forced to dine on the unsavoury 'brussel sprouts' (thats us humans - food of last resort).
Ban herring & snapper & marlin & mackerel & tuna etc etc fishing and the sharks will almost certainly leave us alone.
Now if I could just get 500 or so of you to march on parliament with placards & slogans & get the press to drum it up we may well see 5000 at the second rally to ban the taking of the much loved and misunderstood sharks favourite foods.
Anything that stirs a crowd will get support.
But I too agree - drum lines are stupid. Ineffective AND stupid.
And I agree with the game fishing idea - with controls on size & bag limits that everyone seems to think is OK for just about every other fish in the ocean.
And pls dont throw out the "poor GW endangered" card. Where the hell did that bit of non-science, sloganeering come from - absolute total BS.
ps ever noticed how similar 'nonscience is to 'nonsense' - just a thought!
And why arent there a million greenies out there condemning the beach netting programs over east - way more harmful to 100's of species than a few isolated hooks dotted along the coast. That has been going on without any activists hissy-fits for over half a century. Drowning dolphins & turtles & rays etc etc in huge nos. Even Dugongs have been know to fall foul of these 'shark nets'.
because those nets have been put in place before it was the cool fad to become a soy latte sipping hipster twat... poor hippies probably want to have a big sook and whinge about them but they just can't do it because east coast nets are not the hot topic in the news today...
Select to expand quotepuppetonastring said..
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And pls dont throw out the "poor GW endangered" card. Where the hell did that bit of non-science, sloganeering come from - absolute total BS.
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Talking of the endangered card.
I took the kids to Australia Zoo not long ago and was dumbfounded by the massive speach at the start of their main show. The presenter went on for over 5 minutes on how here in australia, the crocodile is endangered, on the brink and right now desperate action is needed to protect them. WTF, I was simply stunned, there 2 of the bloody things inside Fraser Island ATM. Won't be long and you can forget kiting in Hervey Bay, Inskip Point ect...
Select to expand quotebillykiter said..DARTH said..tightlines said..
Yes I nearly replied there yesterday but decided to leave it be the anti cull people have the blinkers on so I would rather leave to talk amongst themselves.
I was going to try to stay out of the debate altogether but couldn't help myself when I saw that video has been posted again, and yes I did watch it I try to see both sides.
I am not really pro cull (and cull is the wrong word that makes it sound like they want to wipe the species out which is so far from the truth) I just can't believe some of the stuff the anti cull people put forward, e.g. the above video.
Yes I know it is a important to not upset the balance of nature but that is my point so many people are jumping up and down about the sharks and then going and having fish for dinner.
Fish = food
Killing sharks them dumping them isnt constructive imo.
Darth you are so right.
What the government needs to do is allow professional and non professional fishermen to fish for great whites. however set the size limit to over three metres. This way tax payers money isnt going into this drum lines campain. It's a win win situation. fish shops will love it. game fishing companies will love it, and it will make our waters safer.
I sort of agree with this, I think the problem would be cowboys just going mental and taking any size shark.
TrouSelect to expand quoteDARTH said..billykiter said..DARTH said..tightlines said..
Yes I nearly replied there yesterday but decided to leave it be the anti cull people have the blinkers on so I would rather leave to talk amongst themselves.
I was going to try to stay out of the debate altogether but couldn't help myself when I saw that video has been posted again, and yes I did watch it I try to see both sides.
I am not really pro cull (and cull is the wrong word that makes it sound like they want to wipe the species out which is so far from the truth) I just can't believe some of the stuff the anti cull people put forward, e.g. the above video.
Yes I know it is a important to not upset the balance of nature but that is my point so many people are jumping up and down about the sharks and then going and having fish for dinner.
Fish = food
Killing sharks them dumping them isnt constructive imo.
Darth you are so right.
What the government needs to do is allow professional and non professional fishermen to fish for great whites. however set the size limit to over three metres. This way tax payers money isnt going into this drum lines campain. It's a win win situation. fish shops will love it. game fishing companies will love it, and it will make our waters safer.
I sort of agree with this, I think the problem would be cowboys just going mental and taking any size shark.
After the rising number of motorcyclists' deaths on WA roads recently (true), a dangerous car driver program will randomly select dump truck, tractor and ride-on mower drivers who will have their licences taken away to reduce the threat to any road user on a building site, farm or private garden.
Think about it ...
