OK, who will be the first to jump any of the drumlines for the shark cull put 1km off Perth beaches from Fremantle to Scarborough this morning? My brother went past Dutchies this morning and said the yellow bouys look like "they're almost on the beach".
Story below:
www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/two-sharks-caught-just-hours-after-baited-drumlines-are-set-off-metropolitan-perth-ng-010e0af46d9405563e5ff788954dd597
If ever there was a time to consider a kite leash...
Body dragging through burley!
I am hanging on the fence with this issue. I don't want sharks killed but I don't want people dead.
Not sure why there is so much backlash to W.A for drum lining. The east coast has drum lined for decades. And also shark nets, how many hundreds or thousands of sharks have been killed in that process, I don't see or hear of much protest over there. Maybe because they don't have many shark attacks (maybe it works, people are not getting eaten and sharks are still thriving) think about it? - lets not forget that something like 70 million sharks yearly are killed worldwide for fin soup.
The spotlight probably needs to be taken off W.A a little bit and put on the big world culling issue?
This is too much of a touchy subject so I don't want to judge either way. I love the water and kiting so I definitely still be going out and jumping that drum line this afternoon. Yeeoow
Select to expand quoteAndy T said..
New slalom course
Or "Boarder Shark-across Slalom" Beach start, no need for judges, first and everyone who come back wins, simpelz 
Those drum lines will probably bring in some big pelagic fish as well. Msg me if anyone is keen to swim out and spear some nice fillets.
I'm more embarrassed about the hysteria, hypocracy and misinformation being generated than the actual act of drum lining .. The whole thing is being blown way out of proportion
Looked up some stats myself, interestingly...
Australia is 2nd for number of shark attacks and first for fatal attacks.
And of the 9 fatal shark attacks in Australia since 2010, 7 of them have been in WA (Wedge Is, Rotto, Cott, Busselton, Dunsborough, Gracetown x 2)
Oh the joys of living in the land down under...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_attack
www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/science-environment/2014/01/shark-attacks-in-australia-a-timeline/
Hmmm more ocean than land maybe if we educate the sharks to stay away from our beaches we wouldn't have to show em who's boss
From theconversation.com/western-australias-shark-culls-lack-bite-and-science-21371
True effectiveness cannot be assessed by simply counting the number of sharks captured and killed. Demonstrable effectiveness means a measurable decrease in shark bite incidents in response to culling activities.
Hawaii shark control programs of the 1960s and 1970s, for example, were not demonstrably effective. These programs were expensive, culled 4,668 sharks and yet failed to produce measurable decreases in shark bite incidents.The challenges of reducing shark bites at specific locations were clearly illustrated by the events at Barbers Point on the Hawaiian island of Oahu. The 1967-69 shark control program removed 33 tiger sharks at that one location alone, yet soon after the program finished a shark bite occurred at Barbers Point.
There is no scientific basis for WA's shark cull program.
Select to expand quotedefault said..
I'm more embarrassed about the hysteria, hypocracy and misinformation being generated than the actual act of drum lining .. The whole thing is being blown way out of proportion
ditto from me to those on both sides of the fence.
For what its worth (like nothing) I dont think the hook & bait will be successful at all and, just maybe, could make things worse.
It certainly does nothing to make me feel any less apprehensive about sharks when Im out there acting as an alternative piece of meat to the baited hook set to attract sharks.
Dont pretend to have the answers BUT
How about protesting over the millions of tonnes of every other sort of fish being slaughtered off the WA coast. If they were left out there there would be way too much tasty shark tucker for them to bother hunting for rare & unpalatable human flesh.
AND. How come sharks get all the kudos. Just another species. And certainly not endangered as some would have us believe.
Good point Puppet.
i don't see protesters carrying on over Kangaroo culls. Many thousands of Roos getting taken out every year...
The shark lovers need to get real. Human life is worth protecting.
Select to expand quotePeterc150 said...
There is no scientific basis for WA's shark cull program.
Is human death not a good enough scientific basis?
Media has hyped up the "shark cull slogan once again" Remember its really a tag and release program with res-ponders on the seabed tracking the animals movements around the W.A metropolitan beaches.
Only animals over 3 meters will be removed from the populated beaches. It will be interesting to see in a few months how many animals are tagged and how many large animals are removed. You'll probably find it will be hardly any. "Not really what you would call a cull".
So lets wait and see the true information released in the near future before speculating on false assumptions.
Now off to Kalis Bro's for a Flake Burger and chips.
It's in the small print people. Read your contract, it say's you will have fun in the water but with a small chance of being eaten by a large fish.
Poor old Tiger shark never hurt anyone, well all most no one. Leave them alone I say.
Select to expand quoteADS said...
Good point Puppet.
i don't see protesters carrying on over Kangaroo culls. Many thousands of Roos getting taken out every year...
The shark lovers need to get real. Human life is worth protecting.
Some humans not all
Select to expand quotetopline said..Peterc150 said...
There is no scientific basis for WA's shark cull program.
Is human death not a good enough scientific basis?
Media has hyped up the "shark cull slogan once again" Remember its really a tag and release program with res-ponders on the seabed tracking the animals movements around the W.A metropolitan beaches.
Only animals over 3 meters will be removed from the populated beaches. It will be interesting to see in a few months how many animals are tagged and how many large animals are removed. You'll probably find it will be hardly any. "Not really what you would call a cull".
So lets wait and see the true information released in the near future before speculating on false assumptions.
Now off to Kalis Bro's for a Flake Burger and chips.
Nobody is disputing that sharks kill a few humans each year in Australia, and that WA has had more fatal shark attacks recently.
However, there is no scientific evidence that baited drum lines and catching/killing some sharks actually reduces shark attacks.
Some people think catching/killing sharks will reduce attacks - but there are several marine biology and shark experts saying there is no evidence to support this notion.
Bollocks. You are quoting figures associated with netting beaches in Eastern seaboard states and beaches where drum lines are used. Drum lines cannot protect a beach, they can only catch a shark that may attack someone.
WA is not netting beaches -they are only using drum lines. The evidence shows that shark attacks continue on beaches where drum lines are used, as you note happened on Stradbroke Island.
well this is what happens when you make uninformed decisions, you get a waste of money and only 2 things will come out of this
- we will learn exactly HOW many sharks are swimming around (the fear mongering will escalate)
- we will attract even MORE sharks, which will lead to more deaths of humans swimming
Mike
Select to expand quoteSorry mate, not all those beaches are netted...
You are not from WA. From May/June until the end of December Great Whites are here in large numbers. They are spotted close in
On our beaches virtually everyday. This was not the case 10 years ago or 20 years ago or 30 years ago. I know because I have surfed
here during that time.
[uquote]Peterc150 said..
Bollocks. You are quoting figures associated with netting beaches in Eastern seaboard states and beaches where drum lines are used. Drum lines cannot protect a beach, they can only catch a shark that may attack someone.
WA is not netting beaches -they are only using drum lines. The evidence shows that shark attacks continue on beaches where drum lines are used, as you note happened on Stradbroke Island.
If you spent the day on a cray boat and see the amount of sharks that hang around for a free feed it seems weird that you'd bait so close to shore, as I mentioned fat boy is under a bit of pressure at the moment and enticing a few sharks to catch off metro beaches will relieve that pressure, that's how it works
The media ban wagon at its best ,it's a chance for any would be if they could be to protest about any government decision which then becomes politicaly motivated...
The anti drum line crew are right, it will never work.
What we should do is harpoon a couple of humpbacks, drag their bleeding carcasses slowly down the coast. Every big GW in the area will come in for a free feed.
Then we take 'em all out at once. Job done.
What I find humorous is that a lot of people who are really for shark catching and killing are folks who support Sea Shepard and all kinds of other wild life preservation. I think you call that hypocritical don't you?
Select to expand quotemikehunt said...
well this is what happens when you make uninformed decisions, you get a waste of money and only 2 things will come out of this
- we will learn exactly HOW many sharks are swimming around (the fear mongering will escalate)
- we will attract even MORE sharks, which will lead to more deaths of humans swimming
Mike
Totally agree.
Select to expand quoteBig dubya said..
What I find humorous is that a lot of people who are really for shark catching and killing are folks who support Sea Shepard and all kinds of other wild life preservation. I think you call that hypocritical don't you?
You think that's hypocritical. What about the 6000 "vegetarians" at Cottesloe yesterday? I wonder if they had a barbie or fish and chips after the event?
BTW a lot of folk who used to support and donate to Sea Shepherd probably wont anymore .
