Select to expand quoteT one said..
ok, second try... the last attempt would have got me in trouble with the new Ozone converts up here.
not mad on the Zephyr, old or new. there... said it... bring it on! for MY style of riding the edge ****s on it is a bit better....
its probably better in the waves, and for unhooking, but as i see it thats it. So No HAAK no zephyrs for sale.
hey Gokid, every kid, (makin an assumption here), should try a 19M edge at least once... that said, my son hates it, but its pretty funny to watch!
sorry Epps, when i kark it, they gonna wrap me in my 19m and flambe the whole lot!
Hey T one ,I am a bit of a kid just in an old body
,my biggest kite I ever owed or tryed is a 12m,thinking about getting a big kite,would love to try a 19m edge,will ask around when Im back in Oz
Select to expand quotePuetz said..T one said..
ok, second try... the last attempt would have got me in trouble with the new Ozone converts up here.
not mad on the Zephyr, old or new. there... said it... bring it on! for MY style of riding the edge ****s on it is a bit better....
its probably better in the waves, and for unhooking, but as i see it thats it. So No HAAK no zephyrs for sale.
hey Gokid, every kid, (makin an assumption here), should try a 19M edge at least once... that said, my son hates it, but its pretty funny to watch!
sorry Epps, when i kark it, they gonna wrap me in my 19m and flambe the whole lot!
... thats all cool, but looking like your in the minority there dude, I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyway!
If only they made a 19m Zephyr, I'd be customer number one. In fact Eppo is right, they should make other sizes.
My predictions are the future Edges will feel more like the Zephyrs, with better bar feedback and static grunt, but its so hard for designers because when you increase performances on one area you loose on other and when you think you've got it all balanced, its sorta bland!
Anyway,
cheers,
Robbie
Well it seems we are in the minority on this. Most said basically I was nuts and go and fly a catalyst. Ha ha ha ha
Well too late, had to eat in another pasture.
Eddie, am i that transparent? i tried to like it... i really did!
puetz, zip it with the loose ideas, Ozone might be listening, and i dont want my edge "zephyred"
gokid, might wanna try a 15 or 17 first you will find a 19 incredibly s...l...o...w... coming off a 12!
and eppo, i didnt buy a cat... hehe...
Don't worry ozone have no intention of zephyring the edge, ya safe tony.
Hey if ya really worked the zephyr out you could unhook and not have ya son give you so much sht. Ha ha
Edges will always be race .If you lower the aspect of the edge to the like of the zephyr to create static grunt then it will loose upwind ability in where the edge reigns supreme! Zephyrs are awesome free ride kites...and are easier to ride ,but the upwind speed of and edge does it for me and the boost of and experienced edge rider vs an experienced zephyr rider.The edge will edge out the zephyr in that department too.
Select to expand quotediamond2001 said..
Mmm a 10 meter swell too....any reef braks up there?
reef breaks as far as you can see. Got most wind direction covered.
Select to expand quoteeddiemorgs said..
Ian, Surely the swell can't be 7-10 m? Is that right?
I went out last night at Nene Valley. 30+ and double over head. Only last 15 minutes - TOOOOO good for me.
Forecast bigger tomorrow and Sunday.
My son is coming home for the weekend, 5 hour drive one way. Might get some pic's (windsurfer)
... whoa, bigger than double over head and 30 +, sounds insane! Good luck dude and I look forward to some pics, pole boarding in that gets full respect from me!!!!!! 
Select to expand quotediamond2001 said..
Edges will always be race .If you lower the aspect of the edge to the like of the zephyr to create static grunt then it will loose upwind ability in where the edge reigns supreme! Zephyrs are awesome free ride kites...and are easier to ride ,but the upwind speed of and edge does it for me and the boost of and experienced edge rider vs an experienced zephyr rider.The edge will edge out the zephyr in that department too.
Good points. You've ridden the 2013 right for your comments above ?
There's more also more to the actual boost, it is the type of boost as well. It is how it flies when in the air. The edge takes a level of concentration, the zephyr is a no brainer and much more consistent in its pull to do other stuff while you are up there. The upwind ability is superior on the edge for the same variables but not as different as some might seem. You gotta slow everything down on the zephyr which in turn does create a wider window, but yes the edge is the edge, don't change it and ozone won't, I agree. But I will say it again they lack something between the cat and the edge (the rebel is a huge seller for a reason).
Select to expand quotehigh as a kite said..diamond2001 said..
Mmm a 10 meter swell too....any reef braks up there?
reef breaks as far as you can see. Got most wind direction covered.
That's my country- those from NT will understand that 
Select to expand quotehigh as a kite said..eddiemorgs said..
Ian, Surely the swell can't be 7-10 m? Is that right?
I went out last night at Nene Valley. 30+ and double over head. Only last 15 minutes - TOOOOO good for me.
Forecast bigger tomorrow and Sunday.
My son is coming home for the weekend, 5 hour drive one way. Might get some pic's (windsurfer)
Always found Nene Valley big let alone that big. Was never fit enough.
Select to expand quoteT one said..
Eddie, am i that transparent? i tried to like it... i really did!
puetz, zip it with the loose ideas, Ozone might be listening, and i dont want my edge "zephyred"
gokid, might wanna try a 15 or 17 first you will find a 19 incredibly s...l...o...w... coming off a 12!
and eppo, i didnt buy a cat... hehe...
I thought the 12m was s...l...o...w enought,forecast says it will be around 30 kts and 2m swell this week where I am,should be out on the 9m maybe even get the 7m wet,is almost a perfect forecast, solid block of 3 stars on windguru apart fron one 2 star which has already passed
Select to expand quotegokid said..T one said..
Eddie, am i that transparent? i tried to like it... i really did!
puetz, zip it with the loose ideas, Ozone might be listening, and i dont want my edge "zephyred"
gokid, might wanna try a 15 or 17 first you will find a 19 incredibly s...l...o...w... coming off a 12!
and eppo, i didnt buy a cat... hehe...
I thought the 12m was s...l...o...w enought,forecast says it will be around 30 kts and 2m swell this week where I am,should be out on the 9m maybe even get the 7m wet,is almost a perfect forecast, solid block of 3 stars on windguru apart fron one 2 star which has already passed
the amazing thing about this place is that right now is the low wind season
Select to expand quotePuetz said..
... whoa, bigger than double over head and 30 +, sounds insane! Good luck dude and I look forward to some pics, pole boarding in that gets full respect from me!!!!!!
Nene Valley was too big and dangerous so we had to find a quieter spot. Waves were a lot smaller but still a solid 35 knots. Thank Christ I was on camera duties.
9 meter swell tomorrow. Me thinks it's a waste of time even going for a drive.
In between fronts and sets.
Select to expand quoteeddiemorgs said..
Where's that Ian?
That's at a spot we call "where ya park ya car" (car park between Orwell Rocks and John's Joke)
A lot of thought went into naming that spot.
You probably windsurfed the spot back in the day.
All the reef breaks between the Lighthouse and Nene were way tooooo big & powerful.
Sometimes you just have to know your limits, this weekend has been one of those times.
Select to expand quotePuetz said..
... great shots Ian,,,, boy it lloks cold or is that just me???
A fair bit of noise in these extreme condition, not very clear. Your lens would of be the go.
Nah it's not just you. 10 degrees with a wind chill factor of +1. But I wouldn't have it any other way
3/2 wetty is usually enough. Although 5/4 would of been a better choice yesterday.
Select to expand quotehigh as a kite said..Puetz said..
... great shots Ian,,,, boy it lloks cold or is that just me???
A fair bit of noise in these extreme condition, not very clear. Your lens would of be the go.
Nah it's not just you. 10 degrees with a wind chill factor of +1. But I wouldn't have it any other way
3/2 wetty is usually enough. Although 5/4 would of been a better choice yesterday.
... 10 deg plus wind chill,,,, I don't even think my beer fridge is that cold!!!! 
Wouldn't matter you drink em to fast to worry about getting them down to 10 degrees.
Select to expand quotePuetz said..
... 10 deg plus wind chill,,,, I don't even think my beer fridge is that cold!!!!
GOLD
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Wouldn't matter you drink em to fast to worry about getting them down to 10 degrees.
... well, yeah,,,,, but,,,,actually,,,,, hit it fast and hard with lots and lots, shock and awe the beer in to submission ,,,, isn't that the way every one does it,,,,, or is that just me again 
cheers,
Robbie
ps I had a great arvo with 20 knots so I'm a little drunk as we speak!! Gold indeed!!
looks like epic conditions down there ian, we had 30 knots and crazy surf here this weekend too (can you believe it even 3-5ft in adelaide locations, that never happens!!) some freaky squalls on the water tho, definitely makes you feel alive hehe
spend 5 hrs on the water today.. so sore now. Have to say was pretty happy wearing a 5/3 and booties lol!! can't wait to go back to nene valley over summer, loved it last time!! yeeeeooow
cya!
elise:)
Select to expand quotehigh as a kite said..eddiemorgs said..
Where's that Ian?
That's at a spot we call "where ya park ya car" (car park between Orwell Rocks and John's Joke)
A lot of thought went into naming that spot.
You probably windsurfed the spot back in the day.
All the reef breaks between the Lighthouse and Nene were way tooooo big & powerful.
Sometimes you just have to know your limits, this weekend has been one of those times.
Ok. Think I know where. Down from Pinchgut.
Select to expand quoteeddiemorgs said..
]Ok. Think I know where. Down from Pinchgut.
About 1 k east of Pinchgut, as the road turns inland a bit.
Select to expand quotelovelife said..
looks like epic conditions down there ian, we had 30 knots and crazy surf here this weekend too (can you believe it even 3-5ft in adelaide locations, that never happens!!) some freaky squalls on the water tho, definitely makes you feel alive hehe spend 5 hrs on the water today.. so sore now. Have to say was pretty happy wearing a 5/3 and booties lol!! can't wait to go back to nene valley over summer, loved it last time!! yeeeeooow cya! elise:)
G'day E,
Yeah this weekend was spooky.
Glad you had fun up there. 3-5ft in Adelaide, I think you are having me on
Yeah the valley is a nice spot, too big and powerful over the past few days. All the big seas of late have eroaded the sand hills away a bit. The beach is a bit of a mess, but that will clean up with some high tides.
