Select to expand quotesn said..
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curiosity got the better of me, google foo says the average milage for an Aussie vehicle [all vehicles - not just cars] is closer to 13,000km
Here in W.A. it is closer to 12,000km, with only Tassie being lower average milage [but they get more hilly bits than us to compensate]
That's interesting. The biggest state with the next to lowest average kilometers?
You wouldn't guess that driving around the suburbs. Every 2nd vehicle seems to be a Toyota Landcruiser Sahara loaded to the gun'les with shovels, pop out tents, canoes and kangaroo jacks. Oh and those orange plastic "get outta the bog" things. Gotta have a pair of them up there.
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said.. << 13,000 divided by 365 = 35 km per day
True, would work in my wife's case, furthest that goes is Mandurah-Perth, most of the time it's local shopping. But my surfwagon needs to get to my favourite speed spots. That includes Albany, 400km away and Lake George, driving there, I want to be able to do 700km a day. So electric just won't cut it. How about hydrogen if there is ever refuelling across the Nullabor?
The wife's car is a Mazda 2, that gets 5.5 l/100km and costs a bit over $20,000 new. I have tossed around replacing it with an EV but I won't be doing that yet, the numbers just don't add up. We have solar panels, but they are only 3Kw a plug into the wall charge, would still use over 50% power from the coal fired grid. Unless there is a way to slow the charge rate right down.
Hydrogen .... maybe sometime. At the moment to do a long trip without a long break to recharge, a battery trailer would be a sensible solution. You needn't own it, just rent as required.
The long drive? Research reported in the newscientist proposes that TV watching pushes the same evolutionary buttons that had us relaxing around camp fires. (honing language, sharpening stone axes and all those other things increasing our reproductive fitness).
Could sitting back on a long drive, watching the scenery flicker past, push the same buttons? Can't doze off as you can in front of the TV however.
"It's the journey rather than the destination."
www.newscientist.com/article/mg24833133-100-the-reason-we-love-to-gather-around-the-tv-lies-in-stone-age-embers/
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..
..to do a long trip without a long break to recharge, a battery trailer would be a sensible solution..
... unless you are already towing something.
Then you need a MC license and can't ever reverse anywhere. Or park.
That problem applies to some people, but not everyone. Maybe caravans would be most common, followed by boats.
For either case batteries could be built into the trailer. Probably major waterproofing issues for boat trailers though.
Tesla fully electric Semi should flll the needs of those remaining 1% population requiring range and towing capacity for everyday trips
or motorhome
for all those still not convinced, here is alternative for future.
We just need to adjust a bit design of city parking lots around shopping molls
Select to expand quoteUncleBob said..Carantoc said..Mr Milk said..
The only good reason not to buy an electric car is range anxiety...
Probably several more perfectly good reasons.
like ...I don't need one because I have a perfectly good car that will last many more years yet.
Or price. Or range choice and availability of suitable vehicles with the functions I require.
And don't forget the farcical claim that there are no emissions, powered from the grid so no emissions there, (rolleyes) batteries materials mined on one side of the world, shipped to battery manufacturer on the other side of the world, shipped to vehicle manufacturer wherever then shipped to point of sale in whichever country, warranted for up to eight years, then replace either car or battery. No emissions anywhere there, so yeah, very green. 
Probably the same as a petrol car anyway. Then you have all the input costs of fuel, including transportation, storage and refining costs of petrol/diesel. And when the tap is turned off in Asia how many weeks supply is there? Oh that's right we can get it from our storage in the USA.
At least there is more than 2 weeks or whatever of electrical supply.
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..cisco said..
No!! It is a con job. With that amount of money I would buy 20 ounces of gold.
Where can you buy gold for $215/oz?
That looks like a great car for a city living kiter. With the rear seat folded down it would fit board and a couple of kites.
Really, it's a Smart car for 2 switched over to electric.
It sure is a great car for a city living kiter, but still, does it come in mens'?
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..
Tesla fully electric Semi should flll the needs of those remaining 1% population requiring range and towing capacity for everyday trips
or motorhome
for all those still not convinced, here is alternative for future.
We just need to adjust a bit design of city parking lots around shopping molls
that's a shaver.
Select to expand quoteevlPanda said..Mr Milk said..cisco said..
No!! It is a con job. With that amount of money I would buy 20 ounces of gold.
Where can you buy gold for $215/oz?
That looks like a great car for a city living kiter. With the rear seat folded down it would fit board and a couple of kites.
Really, it's a Smart car for 2 switched over to electric.
It sure is a great car for a city living kiter, but still, does it come in mens'?
two optiona left for windsurfers:1) switch to wingy2) make boards in two pieces 120cm each, and masts in 4 pieces.
at least we have serious entry into micro EV market by Toyota.But at $20,000 price tag many will be considering 4x cheaper GM /chinese vehicle.
www.motoring.com.au/toyota-reveals-two-seat-baby-ev-121163/
Select to expand quoteevlPanda said..Macroscien said..
Tesla fully electric Semi should flll the needs of those remaining 1% population requiring range and towing capacity for everyday trips
or motorhome
for all those still not convinced, here is alternative for future.
We just need to adjust a bit design of city parking lots around shopping molls
that's a shaver.
that Bugatti,
leg opener.
works even better then Lambo
those still undecided may wait for Apple EV
www.motoring.com.au/apple-car-on-track-for-2024-debut-with-next-level-batteries-127978/
Select to expand quotekato said..
Useless.... no roof racks 
But there will be an e-trailer behind it with batteries and heaps of room for boards!
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
But there will be an e-trailer behind it with batteries and heaps of room for boards!
Plus a second trailer, one of those coffee caravan things so you can have a mocha whilst you wait for it to recharge every 100kms.
oh yeah -
and they will be i-trailers, not e-trailers. Totally different thing. They will have a totally different hitch system compatible only with i-cars which will be reinvented every two years rendering your 3 year old i-car and i-trailer totally redundant.
The i-trailers will also not run on conventional road architecture and will require an new road system to be built in parallel with the current, existing roads used by everyone else. Many hipsters will claim this is a much better way of doing things as the i-roads look more aesthetically pleasing.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..FormulaNova said..
But there will be an e-trailer behind it with batteries and heaps of room for boards!
Plus a second trailer, one of those coffee caravan things so you can have a mocha whilst you wait for it to recharge every 100kms.
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Nah, it will have the optional 3rd trailer that will have the Apple/Toyota collaboration 3 litre turbo V6 coupled to a generator in order to supply the power to charge the batteries, plus supply hot water for the coffee van.
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..
For either case batteries could be built into the trailer. Probably major waterproofing issues for boat trailers though.
this could be fun - most holiday travellers with thier caravans / trailers / boats on trailers are already well overloaded - and now you want to add a ruddy great battery pack into the GVM as well!
Are they? Well, since the EVs and EV trailers would be new designs that should be easy to fix.
I was kicking tyres on a Citroen lot a few weeks ago trying to buy a Kangoo battery car. It has a range only 200km, and no option for a bigger battery pack. Since it has a cargo payload over 1T, I think that covering the floor pan with 3-400 kg of battery would get the range up to several hundred K, and should fit into its engineered structure.
Range?
According to Elon Musk Tesla battery cost now $100 per 1kwh/That price is going to drop to $50 in next few years.
Electric car need 8 to 12 kwh per every 100 km range.We could also perform costs calculations:
at 8kwh x $0.25per kwh = $2
if you have solar roof could be free.
for comparison my Toyota Hilux
11L x $1.35= $14.85
and there is not a chance I could brew gasoline on my own at home for free ever,
