Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..japie said..lotofwind said..
Just some of the Ivermectin side effects,
eyelid edema, anterior uveitis, blurred vision, conjunctivitis, limbitis, punctate opacity, keratitis, abnormal sensation in the eyes, and chorioretinitis/choroiditis
Loss of vision has occurred
Nervous system side effects have included dizziness, headache, somnolence, vertigo, and tremor. Serious or fatal encephalopathy has been reported rarely in patients
Seizures have been reported during postmarketing experience.
Gastrointestinal side effects have included anorexia, constipation, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, and abdominal distention.
Other side effects have included asthenia, fatigue, abdominal pain, chest discomfort, facial edema, and peripheral edema.
Hepatic side effects have included elevated ALT and/or AST. Elevated liver enzymes, elevated bilirubin, and hepatitis have been reported during postmarketing experience
Cardiovascular side effects have included tachycardia and orthostatic hypotension. EKG changes, including prolonged PR interval, flattened T waves and peaked T waves,
Dermatologic side effects have included pruritus, rash, and urticaria. Toxic epidermal necrolysis and Stevens-Johnson syndrome have been reported during postmarketing experience.
Respiratory side effects have included worsening bronchial asthma, laryngeal edema, and dyspnea.
WOW, no wonder the poison hot line has been ringing off the hook with people thinking they are doctors using google.
Nice try Idiotwind
* Conditions Of Excess Stomach Acid Secretion
* Irritation Of The Stomach Or Intestines
* Nausea
* Vomiting
* A Type Of Blood Disorder Where The Red Blood Cells Burst Called Hemolytic Anemia
* Anemia
* A Decrease In Platelet Clotting
* Large Purple Or Brown Skin Blotches
*
* Decreased Blood Platelets
* Low Levels Of White Blood Cells
* Bleeding Within The Skull
* Bleeding
* Bronchospasm
* Stomach Or Intestinal Ulcer
* Blood Coming From Anus
* Damage To The Liver And Inflammation
* Bleeding Of The Stomach Or Intestines
* A Type Of Kidney Inflammation Called Interstitial Nephritis
* Inflammation Of The Skin Due To An Allergy
* Hives
* Blistering Of The Skin
* Seizures
* Wheezing
* Trouble Breathing
* A Significant Type Of Allergic Reaction Called Anaphylaxis
* A Type Of Allergic Reaction Called Angioedema
* A Rupture In The Wall Of The Stomach Or Intestine
* A Type Of Significant Allergic Skin Reaction Called DRESS Syndrome
* Bruising Under The Skin
* Bleeding Gums
* A Type Of Stomach Irritation Called Gastritis
* Indigestion
* Decreased Appetite
* Nosebleed
* Abnormal Liver Function Tests
* Hematoma, A Collection Of Blood Outside Of The Blood Vessels
All of the above are listed as side effects of Aspirin.
Wow! Any wonder there's anyone still alive on the planet today!
If you have written that up under the heading of 'Astrazenica' or "Pfizer", people here would be jumping over themselves to tell us how risky it all is.
To be fair though it would be important to find significant side effects for any new medication. We know aspirin, but what if 'liver function test' problems were severe with Ivermectin?
But they are not. It is one of the safest drugs known to mankind.
It is used so widely and frequently in the third world, particularly in Africa where the people are highly suspicious and critical of western medication, that any safety issues would have been highlighted decades ago.
The positive trial data cannot be denied.
The only option left is to spread misinformation.
Which has been happening from the outset.
You need to understand, Prole, that the ONLY solution to this disease is VACCINATION!
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said.. But my work requires vacc now
Similar here, not too long before my Boss can be fined for having unvaccinated employees.
We have an almost 100% vax. rate, with one much respected staff member of 20something years refusing vaccination.
She has been given a choice - 2 x jabs or she is out the door.
The crew are setting up a lottery - winner gets to hold the door open, second place gets the cash 
Select to expand quotejapie said..FormulaNova said..japie said..lotofwind said..
Just some of the Ivermectin side effects,
eyelid edema, anterior uveitis, blurred vision, conjunctivitis, limbitis, punctate opacity, keratitis, abnormal sensation in the eyes, and chorioretinitis/choroiditis
Loss of vision has occurred
Nervous system side effects have included dizziness, headache, somnolence, vertigo, and tremor. Serious or fatal encephalopathy has been reported rarely in patients
Seizures have been reported during postmarketing experience.
Gastrointestinal side effects have included anorexia, constipation, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, and abdominal distention.
Other side effects have included asthenia, fatigue, abdominal pain, chest discomfort, facial edema, and peripheral edema.
Hepatic side effects have included elevated ALT and/or AST. Elevated liver enzymes, elevated bilirubin, and hepatitis have been reported during postmarketing experience
Cardiovascular side effects have included tachycardia and orthostatic hypotension. EKG changes, including prolonged PR interval, flattened T waves and peaked T waves,
Dermatologic side effects have included pruritus, rash, and urticaria. Toxic epidermal necrolysis and Stevens-Johnson syndrome have been reported during postmarketing experience.
Respiratory side effects have included worsening bronchial asthma, laryngeal edema, and dyspnea.
WOW, no wonder the poison hot line has been ringing off the hook with people thinking they are doctors using google.
Nice try Idiotwind
* Conditions Of Excess Stomach Acid Secretion
* Irritation Of The Stomach Or Intestines
* Nausea
* Vomiting
* A Type Of Blood Disorder Where The Red Blood Cells Burst Called Hemolytic Anemia
* Anemia
* A Decrease In Platelet Clotting
* Large Purple Or Brown Skin Blotches
*
* Decreased Blood Platelets
* Low Levels Of White Blood Cells
* Bleeding Within The Skull
* Bleeding
* Bronchospasm
* Stomach Or Intestinal Ulcer
* Blood Coming From Anus
* Damage To The Liver And Inflammation
* Bleeding Of The Stomach Or Intestines
* A Type Of Kidney Inflammation Called Interstitial Nephritis
* Inflammation Of The Skin Due To An Allergy
* Hives
* Blistering Of The Skin
* Seizures
* Wheezing
* Trouble Breathing
* A Significant Type Of Allergic Reaction Called Anaphylaxis
* A Type Of Allergic Reaction Called Angioedema
* A Rupture In The Wall Of The Stomach Or Intestine
* A Type Of Significant Allergic Skin Reaction Called DRESS Syndrome
* Bruising Under The Skin
* Bleeding Gums
* A Type Of Stomach Irritation Called Gastritis
* Indigestion
* Decreased Appetite
* Nosebleed
* Abnormal Liver Function Tests
* Hematoma, A Collection Of Blood Outside Of The Blood Vessels
All of the above are listed as side effects of Aspirin.
Wow! Any wonder there's anyone still alive on the planet today!
If you have written that up under the heading of 'Astrazenica' or "Pfizer", people here would be jumping over themselves to tell us how risky it all is.
To be fair though it would be important to find significant side effects for any new medication. We know aspirin, but what if 'liver function test' problems were severe with Ivermectin?
But they are not. It is one of the safest drugs known to mankind.
It is used so widely and frequently in the third world, particularly in Africa where the people are highly suspicious and critical of western medication, that any safety issues would have been highlighted decades ago.
The positive trial data cannot be denied.
The only option left is to spread misinformation.
Which has been happening from the outset.
You need to understand, Prole, that the ONLY solution to this disease is VACCINATION!
To be fair, isn't Ivermectin used in much lower dosages for its treatment against parasites? I am pretty sure it must be as even the dosages required to kill viruses outside of the body are meant to be quite concentrated.
Its akin to taking panadol and asking people to take a hundred tablets and assuming that the limited reactions are all you will get.
Select to expand quotejapie said..
You need to understand, Prole, that the ONLY solution to this disease is VACCINATION!
Not the only solution to this virus, - but the only solution for society.
The only solution for being allowed to leave your home.
The only solution to be able to cross the state border
The only solution to be allowed to be employed
The only solution to be allow to go into a public open space
The only solution.
(obviously it replaced the previous solution of flattening the curve, or the lockdown for the second wave will be the solution and will be replaced by the next only solution when delta+ / its ineffectiveness / some other issue pops up, but for now IT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION).
Coincidentally in ABC news tonight....
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-25/tga-warns-people-against-using-ivermectin-for-covid-treatment/100406472
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..japie said..
You need to understand, Prole, that the ONLY solution to this disease is VACCINATION!
Not the only solution to this virus, - but the only solution for society.
The only solution for being allowed to leave your home.
The only solution to be able to cross the state border
The only solution to be allowed to be employed
The only solution to be allow to go into a public open space
The only solution.
(obviously it replaced the previous solution of flattening the curve, or the lockdown for the second wave will be the solution and will be replaced by the next only solution when delta+ / its ineffectiveness / some other issue pops up, but for now IT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION).
It is no doubt left in the messy electrons of heavy weather, but I am pretty sure at the time people were asking 'what happens after lockdowns reduce Covid cases' and the answer at the time was 'we need to get vaccinated'. This is not new news to us. It was always the only way out.
I am discounting the 'get everyone together and everyone catch it' idea, but some crazy people seem to be against that.
No one said that flattening of the curve was the solution to the pandemic. It was the solution to keeping your ICUs from overflowing and people needlessly dying from something that can be managed in a lot of cases.
Interestingly for me at least is that the point between 'yeah, we have enough beds in ICU' to 'oh crap, we are running out of beds in ICU' is not that far. I guess when the virus can spread so quickly, it doesn't take much.
Clearly its not important enough to require a huge upsizing of hospital ICUs or dedicated quarantine facilities, so the federal government must know something we don't.... 
So you think that when we get to 70 or 80% no more lockdowns, just like national cabinet agreed ? and we all go back to "normal life", no more lockdowns.
Or is it ....no more lockdowns, except delta+ is different so we need lockdowns ?, argh yes but booster shots are now needed, yes but the figures say 23 out of 6 million tested positive yesterday so get back in your box.
At some point in time we have to live with the virus in community. This seemed bleeding obvious from day 1. Daily case number reporting is stooped and pointless, but makes great front page news.
It seems the UK, Europe, US, Sweden and many others have realized that.
It seems ScoMo gets that, he say 70 / 80% vac and that's it, we live with it.
It seems Gladys has realized it, she don't like it, she hasn't done anything about it, she doesn't know what to do, but she realizes it.
It seems Steven Marshall in SA gets it and has started to try things out to make sure it works OK. Home quarantine and end the stupid daily media conferences.
It seems Saint Dan of Victoria sees too much political gain to admit it (yet)
It seems perfect Mark of WA is too arrogant to accept it
It seems Jacinta is just too stupid to understand it.
yeah,.....
Flatten the curve
Herd immunity
It didn't come from Wuhan
Masks don't help and are not recommended
Children are not at risk
The second wave
Hotel quarantine
"Nobody in Qld under 65 will get the AZ vacc, let me make that clear"
Elimination
Wear masks they are the solution it is so obvious here is a cartoon explaining it
Vaccination solution....
Vaccinate the kids - its the only way out of this......
.... all crap they have fed you and you seemed to believe it at every turn. At what point do you hear them crying wolf ?
I ain't saying there is no wolf out there, and I ain't saying it is a global conspiracy. Quite the opposite. It is national incompetence and political dick-waving at every turn.
Smokes come with a health warning, but I can still buy them. But I can't leave my house and the army is on the qld border. How the "&^% can you spout not a single word of dissent - even on an anonymous internet forum ? What's wrong with ya ??? Sober or something ?
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
Come on Kami, I thought we were going to actually make statements, not just ambiguous comments that mean nothing. I know using a mobile phone is difficult, but do I have to do all the work and try and understand what your point was, and then no doubt 'get it wrong' because I had to guess what you were trying to say?
If you want to go into a discussion, fear and the level to which people assign it to things varies in the population. We could have people fearful of the vaccine and the rest of us die out in 5 years from an after-effect. Alternatively all the people that don't get vaccinated may all die off next week.
People that sail off into a direction to explore can and have died trying that. Building a flying machine sounds easy too except when you find out that people injured themselves and died from trying.
Silly me,I thought statements of the bleeding obviouswould be enough.The blanket statement you made about an evolutionarydriverthat, according to your statement, stopspeoplefrom doing dumb things... doesn't stop dumb things from being done. And so despite being a dumb thing, the thing is done and we've all profited from the "dumb things".
You're conflating fear and risk assessment (whatever the technical term is escapes me at the moment) which IMO aren't connected.
Example: I'm not "afraid" of the vaccine, I'm not afraid" of the virus, but I assess the risks of both and make a personal and hopefully educated decision on how to proceed, hopefully without being rushed or forced into it. It's not a fear-driven choice... but try to tell the wing nuts that: "durr durr you're just afraid of needles hurr durr".
In reality it's no different than assessing weather conditions and choosing the gear for the session ... but you've got the fruit loops who've made it all tribal and political, or have reduced to absurdity their response to someone who doesn't follow received wisdoms on the topic.
People have sailed off into a direction and died from trying that. I'm sure everyone told them it was a dumb thing to do. And I'm certain those who returned with tales to tell of adventure and loot turned to the nay sayers and asked, "who'd dumb now bitch?"
PS. all the people that don't get vaccinated are not going to die off next week, that's not even fantastical.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
Herd immunity
When Sweden went its way, way back in the beginning, the people mocking "herd immunity" were and are the very same people stating that we need "80% immunized" before things can go back to normal.Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
It seems Jacinta is just too stupid to understand it.
I don't think it's stupidity, it's just a consequence of sticking your head in the sand and closing the borders and hoping the rest of the world will fix the problem for you, then being unable to back down on your policies, whatever the cost may be.
Select to expand quotejapie said..lotofwind said..
Just some of the Ivermectin side effects,
eyelid edema, anterior uveitis, blurred vision, conjunctivitis, limbitis, punctate opacity, keratitis, abnormal sensation in the eyes, and chorioretinitis/choroiditis
Loss of vision has occurred
Nervous system side effects have included dizziness, headache, somnolence, vertigo, and tremor. Serious or fatal encephalopathy has been reported rarely in patients
Seizures have been reported during postmarketing experience.
Gastrointestinal side effects have included anorexia, constipation, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, and abdominal distention.
Other side effects have included asthenia, fatigue, abdominal pain, chest discomfort, facial edema, and peripheral edema.
Hepatic side effects have included elevated ALT and/or AST. Elevated liver enzymes, elevated bilirubin, and hepatitis have been reported during postmarketing experience
Cardiovascular side effects have included tachycardia and orthostatic hypotension. EKG changes, including prolonged PR interval, flattened T waves and peaked T waves,
Dermatologic side effects have included pruritus, rash, and urticaria. Toxic epidermal necrolysis and Stevens-Johnson syndrome have been reported during postmarketing experience.
Respiratory side effects have included worsening bronchial asthma, laryngeal edema, and dyspnea.
WOW, no wonder the poison hot line has been ringing off the hook with people thinking they are doctors using google.
Nice try Idiotwind
* Conditions Of Excess Stomach Acid Secretion
* Irritation Of The Stomach Or Intestines
* Nausea
* Vomiting
* A Type Of Blood Disorder Where The Red Blood Cells Burst Called Hemolytic Anemia
* Anemia
* A Decrease In Platelet Clotting
* Large Purple Or Brown Skin Blotches
*
* Decreased Blood Platelets
* Low Levels Of White Blood Cells
* Bleeding Within The Skull
* Bleeding
* Bronchospasm
* Stomach Or Intestinal Ulcer
* Blood Coming From Anus
* Damage To The Liver And Inflammation
* Bleeding Of The Stomach Or Intestines
* A Type Of Kidney Inflammation Called Interstitial Nephritis
* Inflammation Of The Skin Due To An Allergy
* Hives
* Blistering Of The Skin
* Seizures
* Wheezing
* Trouble Breathing
* A Significant Type Of Allergic Reaction Called Anaphylaxis
* A Type Of Allergic Reaction Called Angioedema
* A Rupture In The Wall Of The Stomach Or Intestine
* A Type Of Significant Allergic Skin Reaction Called DRESS Syndrome
* Bruising Under The Skin
* Bleeding Gums
* A Type Of Stomach Irritation Called Gastritis
* Indigestion
* Decreased Appetite
* Nosebleed
* Abnormal Liver Function Tests
* Hematoma, A Collection Of Blood Outside Of The Blood Vessels
All of the above are listed as side effects of Aspirin.
Wow! Any wonder there's anyone still alive on the planet today!
lol exactly.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..FormulaNova said..
Come on Kami, I thought we were going to actually make statements, not just ambiguous comments that mean nothing. I know using a mobile phone is difficult, but do I have to do all the work and try and understand what your point was, and then no doubt 'get it wrong' because I had to guess what you were trying to say?
If you want to go into a discussion, fear and the level to which people assign it to things varies in the population. We could have people fearful of the vaccine and the rest of us die out in 5 years from an after-effect. Alternatively all the people that don't get vaccinated may all die off next week.
People that sail off into a direction to explore can and have died trying that. Building a flying machine sounds easy too except when you find out that people injured themselves and died from trying.
Silly me,I thought statements of the bleeding obviouswould be enough.The blanket statement you made about an evolutionarydriverthat, according to your statement, stopspeoplefrom doing dumb things... doesn't stop dumb things from being done. And so despite being a dumb thing, the thing is done and we've all profited from the "dumb things".
You're conflating fear and risk assessment (whatever the technical term is escapes me at the moment) which IMO aren't connected.
Example: I'm not "afraid" of the vaccine, I'm not afraid" of the virus, but I assess the risks of both and make a personal and hopefully educated decision on how to proceed, hopefully without being rushed or forced into it. It's not a fear-driven choice... but try to tell the wing nuts that: "durr durr you're just afraid of needles hurr durr".
In reality it's no different than assessing weather conditions and choosing the gear for the session ... but you've got the fruit loops who've made it all tribal and political, or have reduced to absurdity their response to someone who doesn't follow received wisdoms on the topic.
People have sailed off into a direction and died from trying that. I'm sure everyone told them it was a dumb thing to do. And I'm certain those who returned with tales to tell of adventure and loot turned to the nay sayers and asked, "who'd dumb now bitch?"
PS. all the people that don't get vaccinated are not going to die off next week, that's not even fantastical.
I said it (fear) was an evolution to stop us doing dumb things. If you are afraid of something enough, you don't do it. Clearly 'fear' is not a Boolean and varies in intensity. Someone setting sail for where they see the seabirds go is an adventure, but fear makes them prepare as well as they can. If they had no fear at all, they would just jump on a log one day and wait for it to drift somewhere.
Bikertoy said he was not going to let fear rule his life and talks about managing risk. I think you are 'conflating' us. For the record I would argue they are related as fear can be an input into a risk.
All the people that don't get vaccinated are not going to die off next week? I have to go back in time to find out what you are referencing. Who would have asserted that they would? Sounds like crazy talk to me.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
So you think that when we get to 70 or 80% no more lockdowns, just like national cabinet agreed ? and we all go back to "normal life", no more lockdowns.
Or is it ....no more lockdowns, except delta+ is different so we need lockdowns ?, argh yes but booster shots are now needed, yes but the figures say 23 out of 6 million tested positive yesterday so get back in your box.
At some point in time we have to live with the virus in community. This seemed bleeding obvious from day 1. Daily case number reporting is stooped and pointless, but makes great front page news.
It seems the UK, Europe, US, Sweden and many others have realized that.
It seems ScoMo gets that, he say 70 / 80% vac and that's it, we live with it.
It seems Gladys has realized it, she don't like it, she hasn't done anything about it, she doesn't know what to do, but she realizes it.
It seems Steven Marshall in SA gets it and has started to try things out to make sure it works OK. Home quarantine and end the stupid daily media conferences.
It seems Saint Dan of Victoria sees too much political gain to admit it (yet)
It seems perfect Mark of WA is too arrogant to accept it
It seems Jacinta is just too stupid to understand it.
yeah,.....
Flatten the curve
Herd immunity
It didn't come from Wuhan
Masks don't help and are not recommended
Children are not at risk
The second wave
Hotel quarantine
"Nobody in Qld under 65 will get the AZ vacc, let me make that clear"
Elimination
Wear masks they are the solution it is so obvious here is a cartoon explaining it
Vaccination solution....
Vaccinate the kids - its the only way out of this......
.... all crap they have fed you and you seemed to believe it at every turn. At what point do you hear them crying wolf ?
I ain't saying there is no wolf out there, and I ain't saying it is a global conspiracy. Quite the opposite. It is national incompetence and political dick-waving at every turn.
Smokes come with a health warning, but I can still buy them. But I can't leave my house and the army is on the qld border. How the "&^% can you spout not a single word of dissent - even on an anonymous internet forum ? What's wrong with ya ??? Sober or something ?
I am not sure what your point is. Is it that we should never have locked down at all? That we shouldn't bother getting vaccinated?
Personally I will be surprised if vaccination rates get to 70%. Astounded if they get to 80%.
My guess is that once vaccinations get to a decent rate, and people have had the opportunity to get vaccinated if they want to, then we may not have a choice. NSW will show us if its something we can realistically do in Aus. After that we will know if its a hopeless cause or if there is any merit to doing it.
I know we disagree on having dedicated quarantine facilities, but I feel that if we had had them then we wouldn't be in this mess right now.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
...I know we disagree on having dedicated quarantine facilities..
What ?
I don't disagree. Of course we need dedicated quarantine facilities for overseas arrivals. That seem obvious more than 120 months ago.
In the last 18 months all we have had is Dan and his cronies not being able to organize a piss up in a quarantine hotel, then locking the entire state down because he ****ed up, then standing in-front of a parliamentary enquiry and the whole lot of them having collective amnesia to who said what in a meeting they were at and took minutes of a few weeks before.
We have had 18 months of the states and the feds arguing about who pays the several million for it, all the while burning though several billion by doing nothing.
For the last 2,000 years society has had quarantine facilities for society's pandemics. From the plague to leprosy to crazy fools shouting crap at random people on the street corner (or internet corner) to everything else. Islands, churches, hermit caves, hospitals, whatever - humankind has survived on quarantining people in quarantine places.
Now, in the 21st century when we are so smart, so organized, so internet-ted we can't get it done ?
....and all you can say is "oh well, I think the pollies have done a great job considering..."..
Frig me. You don't get my point ??
Covid-19, bubonic plague, Chinese bio-warfare - whatever. Let's build some multi-use quarantine facilities.
Hang-on, here's an idea - let's re-build the ones we knocked down 30 years ago. We knocked 'em down because some university professor of Sociology and hurty feelings bollocks (funded by the money saved on doing actual ****) decided it would be far more considerate of people's feelings if we had care in the community.
Or another idea - we could just keep putting people in random hotels that failed last time then argue about whose fault it was it ****ed up again. Yep, lets go with that one.
Sorry, Nursey just told me its lights out beddy-byes time.
I'll be back tomorrow after breakfast, during morning free-play hour.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..FormulaNova said..
...I know we disagree on having dedicated quarantine facilities..
What ?
I don't disagree. Of course we need dedicated quarantine facilities for overseas arrivals. That seem obvious more than 120 months ago.
In the last 18 months all we have had is Dan and his cronies not being able to organize a piss up in a quarantine hotel, then locking the entire state down because he ****ed up, then standing in-front of a parliamentary enquiry and the whole lot of them having collective amnesia to who said what in a meeting they were at and took minutes of a few weeks before.
We have had 18 months of the states and the feds arguing about who pays the several million for it, all the while burning though several billion by doing nothing.
For the last 2,000 years society has had quarantine facilities for society's pandemics. From the plague to leprosy to crazy fools shouting crap at random people on the street corner (or internet corner) to everything else. Islands, churches, hermit caves, hospitals, whatever - humankind has survived on quarantining people in quarantine places.
Now, in the 21st century when we are so smart, so organized, so internet-ted we can't get it done ?
....and all you can say is "oh well, I think the pollies have done a great job considering..."..
Frig me. You don't get my point ??
Covid-19, bubonic plague, Chinese bio-warfare - whatever. Let's build some multi-use quarantine facilities.
Hang-on, here's an idea - let's re-build the ones we knocked down 30 years ago. We knocked 'em down because some university professor of Sociology and hurty feelings bollocks (funded by the money saved on doing actual ****) decided it would be far more considerate of people's feelings if we had care in the community.
Or another idea - we could just keep putting people in random hotels that failed last time then argue about whose fault it was it ****ed up again. Yep, lets go with that one.
Nah, you must have read the wrong post, not mine. Mine clearly says 'agree' 
Maybe I was thinking of Kamikuza? Someone here was not happy with the idea of them.
You still have to listen to nursey? Not me. When mum tells me to get off the computer, I keep typing! A rebel!
I still don't get your point The goalposts are clearly moving as we learn more about this virus and it changes. What was a good decision a year ago is still a good decision in my books, but maybe not the same decision you might make in 3 months from now with the benefit of trying to tame the virus.
People are taking vaccine now ..not for their health but because of fear of losing jobs , not going to
school etc . That is plain immoral. In the old days it was wrong to peer pressure people into taking drugs
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
I said it (fear) was an evolution to stop us doing dumb things. If you are afraid of something enough, you don't do it. Clearly 'fear' is not a Boolean and varies in intensity. Someone setting sail for where they see the seabirds go is an adventure, but fear makes them prepare as well as they can. If they had no fear at all, they would just jump on a log one day and wait for it to drift somewhere.
Bikertoy said he was not going to let fear rule his life and talks about managing risk. I think you are 'conflating' us. For the record I would argue they are related as fear can be an input into a risk.
All the people that don't get vaccinated are not going to die off next week? I have to go back in time to find out what you are referencing. Who would have asserted that they would? Sounds like crazy talk to me.
No, you're giving it too much credit. Fear makes us afraid of things that will damage us and thus avoid them. It has no ability to determine if what you're afraid of is clever or not, and there's plenty of things people are afraid of that aren't dumb and won't kill them. If you know how to fish, why would you load up your boat if you wanted to go for a bit of a sail around the corner? Wisdom and forethought would make you prepare, not fear.
No I replied directly to your comment on "fear stops us doing dumb things". I'm sure it's *a* factor, but it's not -- as you seem to be presenting without qualification -- *the* factor.
You don't, it's right there in the middle paragraph of your post that I quoted. I'm helpful like that I'm sure you were being facetious to make a point, but it's the sort of facile comment that has wing nuts going "lol exactly" and not actually getting the point.
Do individual corporations like say quantas have the legal right to do this ? Anyone a corporate lawyer here ?
.. so if they can force you to take a medication to keep your job then what else can they now force you to do or take ?
i dont think some of you realise the future implications of this corporate control as you are all caught up in the present fear mongering and have forgotten the lessons of the past.
taking the vaccine or not is the least of our worries now.
Speaking as a taxpayer, you know what pisses me off is seeing on 730 report tonight that the government is ordering in a supply of very expensive monoclonal antibodies to treat covid in people who won't get vaccinated. My jabs cost, I don't know, maybe $100 but these selfish pricks think that they should get many thousands worth of "experimental treatments" because they don't want to take an "experimental vaccine"
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Do individual corporations like say quantas have the legal right to do this ? Anyone a corporate lawyer here ?
.. so if they can force you to take a medication to keep your job then what else can they now force you to do or take ?
They've raised that question in NZ. It very quickly gets squashed and anyway, why wouldn't you get vaccinated and lockdown "for the good of the community"? Y'know, those same community members who just want you shut up and die when you disagree with them...
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..japie said..
You're a funny man
Have a little squiz at the money Pfizer "donates" to the individual politicians, political party's, scientists, scientific organisations and hospitals around the globe.
You are either naive or disingenuous.
Australian unis spend over 10 BILLION a year on research. In a typical year, Pfizer Australia donates about $400k to about 20 different organisations. How much pull do you think spending $400k gives you in a field where the annual revenue is over $10 BILLION?
There are over 1000 doctors employed in clinical medical research in Australia and 10,000 other scientists teaching and researching health subjects at unis. A typical mid-level academic medical researcher gets about $125k per year. So exactly how would Pfizer's donation of the equivalent of three years's annual pay (not including on-costs) for those working in medical research affect "thousands or tens of thousands of scientists .... whose livelihoods would be at risk were they to rock the boat."???
Even if Pfizer spent all its money on researchers to promote its Covid vaccine, that would pay for about three scientists or medical research doctors out of about 11,000 people in the field. How would paying those three people silence the other 10,997?
that's a totally made up statistic
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..
Speaking as a taxpayer, you know what pisses me off is seeing on 730 report tonight that the government is ordering in a supply of very expensive monoclonal antibodies to treat covid in people who won't get vaccinated. My jabs cost, I don't know, maybe $100 but these selfish pricks think that they should get many thousands worth of "experimental treatments" because they don't want to take an "experimental vaccine"
Speaking as a tax payer what pisses me of is seeing the state funded broadcasting corporation disseminating biased propaganda in support of the government with the aim of vilifying citizens who see fit to exercise their right to manage their own health and by making decisions based on actual medical data compiled by doctors who have successfully treated this disease worldwide with existing cheap and safe off label drugs.
It also pisses me off that the government has spent 23 billion on vaccines which don't appear to vaccinate and are injuring people beyond an acceptable level.
Select to expand quotejapie said..Mr Milk said..
Speaking as a taxpayer, you know what pisses me off is seeing on 730 report tonight that the government is ordering in a supply of very expensive monoclonal antibodies to treat covid in people who won't get vaccinated. My jabs cost, I don't know, maybe $100 but these selfish pricks think that they should get many thousands worth of "experimental treatments" because they don't want to take an "experimental vaccine"
Speaking as a tax payer what pisses me of is seeing the state funded broadcasting corporation disseminating biased propaganda in support of the government with the aim of vilifying citizens who see fit to exercise their right to manage their own health and by making decisions based on actual medical data compiled by doctors who have successfully treated this disease worldwide with existing cheap and safe off label drugs.
It also pisses me off that the government has spent 23 billion on vaccines which don't appear to vaccinate and are injuring people beyond an acceptable level.
If the science is settled, why is Oxford University doing a bic RCT trial of Ivermectin now?
Most studies out there on the use of Ivermectin to treat covid 19 seem to be observational studies with low quality of evidence.
One of the big RCT studies with 200 participants just got pulled from pre-print due to 'ethical issues' (read: they plagiarized parts and stuffed up the data)
But the good news is that there will be lots of participants in trials being conducted now and by the end of the year. So we will have data from more than just a couple of thousand participants of poorly funded studies.
Select to expand quotejapie said..Mr Milk said..
Speaking as a taxpayer, you know what pisses me off is seeing on 730 report tonight that the government is ordering in a supply of very expensive monoclonal antibodies to treat covid in people who won't get vaccinated. My jabs cost, I don't know, maybe $100 but these selfish pricks think that they should get many thousands worth of "experimental treatments" because they don't want to take an "experimental vaccine"
Speaking as a tax payer what pisses me of is seeing the state funded broadcasting corporation disseminating biased propaganda in support of the government with the aim of vilifying citizens who see fit to exercise their right to manage their own health and by making decisions based on actual medical data compiled by doctors who have successfully treated this disease worldwide with existing cheap and safe off label drugs.
It also pisses me off that the government has spent 23 billion on vaccines which don't appear to vaccinate and are injuring people beyond an acceptable level.
You are really grasping for something useful to troll the punters
NSW - overloaded ambulances, hospitals turning away patients particularly those with COVID, hospitals ICU's are full of COVID patients and yet you sprout uneducated rubbish about cheap over the counter drugs.
90% of vaccinated patients will not have symptoms worse than a cold - unvaccinated are high risk of major long term lung damage + increase serious clotting risk in future surgery. If we all took you're attitude there would still be Polio, TB, Hep B and measles rampant in the community.
I actually feel sorry for your paranoia and distrust of everything you don't understand
But don't worry the rest of us will do our bit get a vaccination and get on with life and get a laugh out of your posts.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..FormulaNova said..
I said it (fear) was an evolution to stop us doing dumb things. If you are afraid of something enough, you don't do it. Clearly 'fear' is not a Boolean and varies in intensity. Someone setting sail for where they see the seabirds go is an adventure, but fear makes them prepare as well as they can. If they had no fear at all, they would just jump on a log one day and wait for it to drift somewhere.
Bikertoy said he was not going to let fear rule his life and talks about managing risk. I think you are 'conflating' us. For the record I would argue they are related as fear can be an input into a risk.
All the people that don't get vaccinated are not going to die off next week? I have to go back in time to find out what you are referencing. Who would have asserted that they would? Sounds like crazy talk to me.
No, you're giving it too much credit. Fear makes us afraid of things that will damage us and thus avoid them. It has no ability to determine if what you're afraid of is clever or not, and there's plenty of things people are afraid of that aren't dumb and won't kill them. If you know how to fish, why would you load up your boat if you wanted to go for a bit of a sail around the corner? Wisdom and forethought would make you prepare, not fear.
No I replied directly to your comment on "fear stops us doing dumb things". I'm sure it's *a* factor, but it's not -- as you seem to be presenting without qualification -- *the* factor.
You don't, it's right there in the middle paragraph of your post that I quoted. I'm helpful like that I'm sure you were being facetious to make a point, but it's the sort of facile comment that has wing nuts going "lol exactly" and not actually getting the point.
Yeah but it's THE factor for FearNova.
It's how he lives his life. In fear. That's why he's swallows everything the 'official' channels tell him and can't understand why other people don't live in fear.
So a real life anecdotal insight. Wife has my 13yr old son booked to get the jab. He is immunio compromised hence qualifies. So as usual i sit there quietly and say nothing (because shes knows i dont talk unless necessary - I think then make a decision).
so i did and eventually came to the conclusion "i just dont know!". There is no way with the current information/ data out there to know what isnt corrupted (on both sides) and even if it is not, there is no conclusive positions that can be taken.
so i kept quiet.
ok, so your fear is the missus. lol
Its a bit like seeing American scare mongering propaganda videos trying to put fear into Aussies so they go and protest.
None of the organizers of these protests actually went and participated in them themselves, only their sheep went.
Im sure the elderly, people with any health issues asthma etc. thank those nutbags very much.
Select to expand quotesn said..Mark _australia said.. But my work requires vacc now
Similar here, not too long before my Boss can be fined for having unvaccinated employees.
We have an almost 100% vax. rate, with one much respected staff member of 20something years refusing vaccination.
She has been given a choice - 2 x jabs or she is out the door.
The crew are setting up a lottery - winner gets to hold the door open, second place gets the cash
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
Its a bit like seeing American scare mongering propaganda videos trying to put fear into Aussies so they go and protest.
None of the organizers of these protests actually went and participated in them themselves, only their sheep went.
Im sure the elderly, people with any health issues asthma etc. thank those nutbags very much.
Do you just troll or are you missing a chromosome or two?
