The CDC has changed the IFR values of Covid-19 into age-specific estimates, which are now very low at 0.003% for 0-19 years, 0.02% for 20-49 years, 0.5% for 50-69 years, and 5.4% for 70+ years.
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..
Nobody disputes that there is not a long history for these vaccines. It's just that there is an imminent risk from a new disease.
Apart from hydroxychloroplacebomectin or robust health we don't have a good way to stop it infecting a lot of people.
I'd be very interested to know why it is that you are sceptical about the treatment protocols which have emerged through medical professionals treating patients with the disease.
After all there is now irrefutable evidence through scientific trails that the protocols not only work as a profylactic but also substantially reduce mortality.
Select to expand quotejapie said..FormulaNova said..snoidberg said..
I choose eating healthy, vitamin D3, K2, C, Quercetin and Zinc, mask exemption so i get plenty of oxygen, exercise and sunlight and as a precaution i have Ivermectin on hand.
I will pass on the so called vaccine the government, media and bill gates are so desperate to force us all to have because i don't think graphene oxide is a safe ingredient and turning my body into a spike protein factory dose not seem like a good thing considering the fact that the spike protein is a toxin.
If everyone just got on with their lives, took some steps to be healthier and we protected the vulnerable this could of passed by like an average flu season and we would have natural immunity to the next strain.
Wow. The spike protein is a toxin?
Are you going to have your Ivermectin with icecream? Apple flavor... yum!
You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?
If you take the time to have a look at the results of the many trials performed world wide you will discover that what you just wrote is not valid.
Please educate me about what was wrong with that post?
Is the spike protein a toxin? No, its a handy way for the virus to attach itself to our cells though.
Is the Ivermectin in the photo apple flavored? Yes, so says Mr Ed.
Ivermectin is meant to be used before the person catches the virus... well, don't ask me, ask this guy, unless the guy doesn't know what the word prophylactic means?Select to expand quotejapie said..
After all there is now irrefutable evidence through scientific trails that the protocols not only work as a profylactic but also substantially reduce mortality.
"You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?"
Not true at all. It has been shown to work in all stages of the disease.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..micksmith said..TonyAbbott said..
From Mark Latham, former leader of the labor party. What a crazy society we have become when Latham has become a voice of reason:
WHAT YOU WON'T READ IN THE MEDIA THIS WEEKEND
1. Remember all the hype and hysteria about the 'SuperSpreader' event from the protest march in Sydney two weeks ago? How it was going to be a new Covid cluster? Not surprisingly, the media have not followed up on this story because none of it turned out to be true. There have been no transmissions confirmed by NSW Health from the march. A classic example of Fake News.
2. Nearly 600,000 Covid tests in NSW over the past week produced a positive rate of 0.25%. Anyone with symptoms should get tested, but (other than those made to do it to get to work, or have visited listed venues) I can't understand why thousands of people with no symptoms line up for hours in long car queues for the tests. Maybe some people think it's better than being locked in small apartments under house-arrest.
3. On the NSW Parliament Notice Paper in answer to my Question 6869, Health Minister Hazzard has said there have been no confirmed cases of Covid transmission on NSW public transport since the beginning of Covid 18 months ago. Yet the Government has scared the pants off people about Covid and the trains and buses are empty. And for the small number of people using them, the mask mandate remains. How about some evidence-based policy for a change?
4. Also since the beginning of last year, there hasn't been a single Covid transmission outdoors in NSW. Now we see the so-called 'virus experts' from universities pointing to the young people who had a party on the Blacksmiths Beach near Lake Macquarie (which has led to the Hunter Valley outbreak), saying this is evidence of outdoor transmission. But is 'close personal relations' on a beach really an outdoor transmission or transmission of a different kind?
5. The media has gone crazy in its authoritarian push to force AstraZeneca upon people. Every Thursday the Federal Government's Therapeutic Goods Administration publishes data on the safety of its approved vaccines. So far AZ has killed 7 Australians, caused 93 other blood clotting episodes and created nearly 30,000 reports of adverse reactions. If you read the full TGA data anywhere in the mainstream media, I will buy you a lottery ticket. The public has the right to know, especially on something as sensitive as a medical procedure pushed upon people in the urgency of a global pandemic. Individual safety must come first, and that can only be achieved if each individual has accurate information and evidence available to them. Media biases are betraying the public interest.
6. The NSW Government Senior Minister Damien Tudehope (in response to my questions) has refused to rule out the introduction of Vaccine Passports in NSW for two purposes: a) allowing businesses to force their staff to be vaccinated; and b) requiring companies winning NSW Government contracts to have a fully 100% vaccinated workforce. Minister Dominello has already gone onto social media brazenly holding up the Vaccine Passport he plans to introduce. Why hasn't this picture, shown on Mark Latham's Outsiders, appeared anywhere in the mainstream media? Their lack of accountability for government is stunning.
Finally, let me be clear: Covid is real; Covid conspiracy theories are nonsense; I have always supported safe, well-established vaccines for myself and my family: and I believe the Pfizer vaccine can offer protection against Covid.
I have always disliked fanaticism and wacky conspiracy theories in politics. But just as much, I am dismayed by the current media and political campaign deliberately trying to push and intimidate the public into certain conclusions about Covid, namely:
1. We should be in a state of panic, hiding under our beds, when the natural human response to a challenge like this is to calmly and logically assess factual information. In truth, the Covid deaths in Australia have overwhelmingly been of people 70 years and older, mainly those with existing health conditions and/or nursing home residents.
2. Somehow you are a traitor or 'unAustralian' if you don't line up automatically for the AstraZeneca vaccine because some bloke with a 50 IQ keeps yelling at you on radio to do it. We should respect the vaccine choices of all Australians as they go about this decision privately, based on research and discussions with their doctor. The doctor-patient relationship in our country used to be sacred. Now it has been wiped as authoritarian politicians and media blowhards with no medical qualifications tell people what to do, deliberately under-reporting the truth from the Therapeutic Goods Administration about the risks associated with AZ. It's a dreadful thing that governments and media have planted themselves in between patients and doctors.
3. We all need to carry a Vaccine Passport, handing over our private health information to Tech giants like Google and Apple, and then show this information to strangers at the shops just to buy food. Are we living in Australia or North Korea and China when this stuff is proposed? If the official Government objective is 70-80% vaccination rates, achieving Herd Immunity so that the virus no longer circulates through communities, then why are Vaccine Passports needed? This is just another grab for government control over people. Political leaders are drunk on power during this Covid period, and they keep on thinking of new ways to maintain control over society.
Personal likes or dislikes aside, this is Truth as I see it.
Tony Abbott and Mark Latham.
Two people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.
Yet the only mildly sensible thing posted in the last 32 pages.
Go figure.
I agree, and it's because we are who we are, we will have a different view on things that's humans for ya, but most recognise truth and most of that is truth.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
Yes, it would definitely help if you also gave your own opinion instead of 'offering corroborating URLs'. At least in this case I can tell what the article means by the heading.
It would be helpful to have my opinion on a scientific statement of facts ... how? 
Will you be persuaded more by my opinion or the facts there...?
Got to admit I found this amusing:
m.facebook.com/100000905814791/posts/6114382698601863/?d=n
Select to expand quotepsychomub said..
The CDC has changed the IFR values of Covid-19 into age-specific estimates, which are now very low at 0.003% for 0-19 years, 0.02% for 20-49 years, 0.5% for 50-69 years, and 5.4% for 70+ years.
I went looking for the source and they've updated their estimates again...
R0 = 2.5
0-17: 0.00002%
18-49: 0.0005%
50-64: 0.006%
65+: 0.09%
Someone check my math? Table1...
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#box1
Infection fatality ratio (Estimated number of deaths per 1,000,000 infections):
0-17 years old: 20
18-49 years old: 500
50-64 years old: 6,000
65+ years old: 90,000
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..psychomub said..
The CDC has changed the IFR values of Covid-19 into age-specific estimates, which are now very low at 0.003% for 0-19 years, 0.02% for 20-49 years, 0.5% for 50-69 years, and 5.4% for 70+ years.
I went looking for the source and they've updated their estimates again...
R0 = 2.5
0-17: 0.00002%
18-49: 0.0005%
50-64: 0.006%
65+: 0.09%
Someone check my math? Table1...
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#box1
Infection fatality ratio (Estimated number of deaths per 1,000,000 infections):
0-17 years old: 20
18-49 years old: 500
50-64 years old: 6,000
65+ years old: 90,000
Math is fine. It should be noted that the stats are from older sources and will not include much of the Delta strain. I suspect the Delta R0 is significantly higher, but as I understand it the IFR is similar or lower.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..FormulaNova said..
Yes, it would definitely help if you also gave your own opinion instead of 'offering corroborating URLs'. At least in this case I can tell what the article means by the heading.
It would be helpful to have my opinion on a scientific statement of facts ... how? Will you be persuaded more by my opinion or the facts there...?
I don't know, I must have got confused and assumed that this was a conversation-like thing on here... We can replace you with Google and just that the first result in the search.
Select to expand quotejapie said..
"You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?"
Not true at all. It has been shown to work in all stages of the disease.
Seriously, that person will be listening to their doctor and maybe the hospital nurses if he/she has Covid. It will be too late to wonder if they should have taken it as a preventative. Unless you know of a doctor here in Aussie land that administers Ivermectin for the treatment?
If not, its just a pile of pills that will never get used.
P.S. unless he/she has bot fly or scabies.
Select to expand quoteParadox said..Kamikuza said..psychomub said..
The CDC has changed the IFR values of Covid-19 into age-specific estimates, which are now very low at 0.003% for 0-19 years, 0.02% for 20-49 years, 0.5% for 50-69 years, and 5.4% for 70+ years.
I went looking for the source and they've updated their estimates again...
R0 = 2.5
0-17: 0.00002%
18-49: 0.0005%
50-64: 0.006%
65+: 0.09%
Someone check my math? Table1...
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#box1
Infection fatality ratio (Estimated number of deaths per 1,000,000 infections):
0-17 years old: 20
18-49 years old: 500
50-64 years old: 6,000
65+ years old: 90,000
Math is fine. It should be noted that the stats are from older sources and will not include much of the Delta strain. I suspect the Delta R0 is significantly higher, but as I understand it the IFR is similar or lower.
Thanks. Updated March 2021 at the top of the page.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
I don't know, I must have got confused and assumed that this was a conversation-like thing on here... We can replace you with Google and just that the first result in the search.
"This is my opinion"
"You're not a doctor so shut up"
"This link summarizes the facts that lead me to form my opinion"
"Jeez, I could have googled that"
Can't win can I
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..japie said..
"You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?"
Not true at all. It has been shown to work in all stages of the disease.
Seriously, that person will be listening to their doctor and maybe the hospital nurses if he/she has Covid. It will be too late to wonder if they should have taken it as a preventative. Unless you know of a doctor here in Aussie land that administers Ivermectin for the treatment?
If not, its just a pile of pills that will never get used.
P.S. unless he/she has bot fly or scabies.
The point is is that the protocols are effective and that the fact has been established for a fair while now.
Had the information been disseminated at that stage this thread would never have been started and Covid, along with all the scaremongering, would be history.
No vaccines, no injuries, lived saved, no lockdowns, no protests.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..FormulaNova said..
I don't know, I must have got confused and assumed that this was a conversation-like thing on here... We can replace you with Google and just that the first result in the search.
"This is my opinion"
"You're not a doctor so shut up"
"This link summarizes the facts that lead me to form my opinion"
"Jeez, I could have googled that"
Can't win can I
Hey, we agree on something again!
I think 'this link says X and I think its right' is better than saying nothing. I would hate to then think you thought X was wrong and I assumed you were an idiot disagreed with me. 
This is a forum so its really easy for things to be misinterpreted. Sometimes more words are much better than fewer.
Select to expand quotejapie
The point is is that the protocols are effective and that the fact has been established for a fair while now.
What exactly are the protocols for taking an equine form of ivermectin
What are the protocols for taking human grade ivermectin as a prophylactic.
Can you use ivermectin made for ruminants
Select to expand quotejapie said..FormulaNova said..japie said..
"You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?"
Not true at all. It has been shown to work in all stages of the disease.
Seriously, that person will be listening to their doctor and maybe the hospital nurses if he/she has Covid. It will be too late to wonder if they should have taken it as a preventative. Unless you know of a doctor here in Aussie land that administers Ivermectin for the treatment?
If not, its just a pile of pills that will never get used.
P.S. unless he/she has bot fly or scabies.
The point is is that the protocols are effective and that the fact has been established for a fair while now.
Had the information been disseminated at that stage this thread would never have been started and Covid, along with all the scaremongering, would be history.
No vaccines, no injuries, lived saved, no lockdowns, no protests.
So you think that the whole medical world is ignoring a simple 100% effective magic bullet because they've all been .....?
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
Thanks. Updated March 2021 at the top of the page.
The page was updated in March and it highlights the minor changes they made to the page. If you look at the references for Table 1 the data it uses is early 2021 at best, most 2020.
washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/5/biden-teams-misguided-and-deadly-covid-19-vaccine-/
I don't like how this piece is framed in light of the Biden administration, but the message is pretty clear. Especially who it is coming from...
? Dr. Robert Malone is the discoverer of in-vitro and in-vivo RNA transfection and the inventor of mRNA vaccines while he was at the Salk Institute in 1988.
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..japie said..FormulaNova said..japie said..
"You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?"
Not true at all. It has been shown to work in all stages of the disease.
Seriously, that person will be listening to their doctor and maybe the hospital nurses if he/she has Covid. It will be too late to wonder if they should have taken it as a preventative. Unless you know of a doctor here in Aussie land that administers Ivermectin for the treatment?
If not, its just a pile of pills that will never get used.
P.S. unless he/she has bot fly or scabies.
The point is is that the protocols are effective and that the fact has been established for a fair while now.
Had the information been disseminated at that stage this thread would never have been started and Covid, along with all the scaremongering, would be history.
No vaccines, no injuries, lived saved, no lockdowns, no protests.
So you think that the whole medical world is ignoring a simple 100% effective magic bullet because they've all been .....?
No Mr Milk I don't think that the whole medical world is ignoring a simple 100% effective magic bullet because they've all been .....?
Otherwise how would we know about Ivermectin? And HCQ? And Zinc, and corticol steroids.
What I do know is that the doctors who came up with these protocols have had to fight tooth and nail against the WHO, the CDC, in Australia the TGA, MHRA in the UK (and pretty much every government health agency throughout the western world), to try to get the message out to the wider medical community.
Aided and abetted by the main stream media who are pretty much just an echo chamber for the WHO.
There are a number of countries who chose to ignore the recommendations who have had astounding results. All documented on the FLCCC website along with the trial results and the meta analysis.
No university hospitals or corporate medical organisations will entertain anything other than the WHO recommendations. Which is basically do nothing until you cannot breathe then present yourself at hospital where we will intubate you until you join the statistics.
Why won't they entertain anything else?
Look to their funding.
Relatives of dying Covid patients in state hospitals in the US have had to resort to court injunctions in order to force doctors to prescribe a harmless and effective medicine.
The reason is really simple to deduce.
The "vaccines" have emergency approval only as they circumvented the standard procedures usually involved in vaccine development.
The reason they have emergency approval is because there is supposedly no effective cure.
If you cannot get your head around that then you are seriously lacking in comprehension skills.
Select to expand quoteIanR said..japie
The point is is that the protocols are effective and that the fact has been established for a fair while now.
What exactly are the protocols for taking an equine form of ivermectin
What are the protocols for taking human grade ivermectin as a prophylactic.
Can you use ivermectin made for ruminants
Your fixation on ruminants is decidedly unhealthy.
You should visit a therapist.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
Hey, we agree on something again!
I think 'this link says X and I think its right' is better than saying nothing. I would hate to then think you thought X was wrong and I assumed you were an idiot disagreed with me.
This is a forum so its really easy for things to be misinterpreted. Sometimes more words are much better than fewer.
Really?
That makes no sense: the links I've posted that you've raised this point about, are just statements of facts. Hardly going to disagree with them, are we...
Less is more otherwise, it's just pontificating and we got rid of Bono eh.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/5/biden-teams-misguided-and-deadly-covid-19-vaccine-/
I don't like how this piece is framed in light of the Biden administration, but the message is pretty clear. Especially who it is coming from...
? Dr. Robert Malone is the discoverer of in-vitro and in-vivo RNA transfection and the inventor of mRNA vaccines while he was at the Salk Institute in 1988.
180 day protection ... are the risk cumulative or do just a dice roll each time?
And this is ****ing gold -- from a link on that page: www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/6/bidens-bill-requires-vehicles-be-equipped-advanced/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS&traffic_source=Connatix
Like the "COVID relief bill" that slipped $25k into the pocket of public officials... whoops, too much HW sorry folks.
Select to expand quotejapie said..IanR said..japie
The point is is that the protocols are effective and that the fact has been established for a fair while now.
What exactly are the protocols for taking an equine form of ivermectin
What are the protocols for taking human grade ivermectin as a prophylactic.
Can you use ivermectin made for ruminants
Your fixation on ruminants is decidedly unhealthy.
You should visit a therapist.
The photo had horse Ivermectin so you can understand the question.
Who needs a therapist when you can talk sh1t on seabreeze?
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..FormulaNova said..
Hey, we agree on something again!
I think 'this link says X and I think its right' is better than saying nothing. I would hate to then think you thought X was wrong and I assumed you were an idiot disagreed with me.
This is a forum so its really easy for things to be misinterpreted. Sometimes more words are much better than fewer.
Really?
That makes no sense: the links I've posted that you've raised this point about, are just statements of facts. Hardly going to disagree with them, are we...
Less is more otherwise, it's just pontificating and we got rid of Bono eh.
Well, anyone, and everyone can post links and some are more believable than others. Adding a voice to support the content of a link does add some credibility.
Is this the mindset of a CTer? Post a link only because the link just points to statements of fact? Oh okay, I get it now.
Less is not more. Less is less.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..kiterboy said..
washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/5/biden-teams-misguided-and-deadly-covid-19-vaccine-/
I don't like how this piece is framed in light of the Biden administration, but the message is pretty clear. Especially who it is coming from...
? Dr. Robert Malone is the discoverer of in-vitro and in-vivo RNA transfection and the inventor of mRNA vaccines while he was at the Salk Institute in 1988.
180 day protection ... are the risk cumulative or do just a dice roll each time?
And this is ****ing gold -- from a link on that page: www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/6/bidens-bill-requires-vehicles-be-equipped-advanced/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS&traffic_source=Connatix
Like the "COVID relief bill" that slipped $25k into the pocket of public officials... whoops, too much HW sorry folks.
There you go. A personal comment on your beliefs and actual input.
Why didn't you just post the link? 
Select to expand quotejapie said..Mr Milk said..japie said..FormulaNova said..japie said..
"You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?"
Not true at all. It has been shown to work in all stages of the disease.
Seriously, that person will be listening to their doctor and maybe the hospital nurses if he/she has Covid. It will be too late to wonder if they should have taken it as a preventative. Unless you know of a doctor here in Aussie land that administers Ivermectin for the treatment?
If not, its just a pile of pills that will never get used.
P.S. unless he/she has bot fly or scabies.
The point is is that the protocols are effective and that the fact has been established for a fair while now.
Had the information been disseminated at that stage this thread would never have been started and Covid, along with all the scaremongering, would be history.
No vaccines, no injuries, lived saved, no lockdowns, no protests.
So you think that the whole medical world is ignoring a simple 100% effective magic bullet because they've all been .....?
No Mr Milk I don't think that the whole medical world is ignoring a simple 100% effective magic bullet because they've all been .....?
Otherwise how would we know about Ivermectin? And HCQ? And Zinc, and corticol steroids.
What I do know is that the doctors who came up with these protocols have had to fight tooth and nail against the WHO, the CDC, in Australia the TGA, MHRA in the UK (and pretty much every government health agency throughout the western world), to try to get the message out to the wider medical community.
Aided and abetted by the main stream media who are pretty much just an echo chamber for the WHO.
There are a number of countries who chose to ignore the recommendations who have had astounding results. All documented on the FLCCC website along with the trial results and the meta analysis.
No university hospitals or corporate medical organisations will entertain anything other than the WHO recommendations. Which is basically do nothing until you cannot breathe then present yourself at hospital where we will intubate you until you join the statistics.
Why won't they entertain anything else?
Look to their funding.
Relatives of dying Covid patients in state hospitals in the US have had to resort to court injunctions in order to force doctors to prescribe a harmless and effective medicine.
The reason is really simple to deduce.
The "vaccines" have emergency approval only as they circumvented the standard procedures usually involved in vaccine development.
The reason they have emergency approval is because there is supposedly no effective cure.
If you cannot get your head around that then you are seriously lacking in comprehension skills.
You are bonkers.
If hydroxychloroplacebomectin worked then it would have been adopted immediately. Do you think that thousands of doctors who are in treatment research forget the Hippocratic Oath when they gain their positions?
I'm comfortable with "emergency" authorisation of vaccines against an emergent virus. You think we should wait years before we deal with it?
And why would I care if American idiots sue doctors to make them use a meme drug on their relatives?
But I must yield to your superior knowledge. You've clearly been spending many years analysing public health economics and know that the funding mechanisms have been perverted to the benefit of Big Pharma. Do you put your money where your mouth is and own lots of shares in them?
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..FormulaNova said..
Wow. The spike protein is a toxin?
Here I go again
www.aap.com.au/toxic-spike-protein-claims-misinterpret-vaccine-study/
Not necessarily disagreeing here, but theoretically I imagine any glycoprotein could serve as an allergen given the right host.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..japie said..
"You do know that the Ivermectin is meant to be used BEFORE you catch the SARS Cov2 virus, don't you?"
Not true at all. It has been shown to work in all stages of the disease.
Seriously, that person will be listening to their doctor and maybe the hospital nurses if he/she has Covid. It will be too late to wonder if they should have taken it as a preventative. Unless you know of a doctor here in Aussie land that administers Ivermectin for the treatment?
If not, its just a pile of pills that will never get used.
P.S. unless he/she has bot fly or scabies.
I know one in India
He was giving 12mg after meals for 3-5 days as a prophylactic for close contacts and all health care workers. Vipul is a gynaecologist but he ended up doing a lot with Covid. The image is the treatment protocol he sent me a while ago. I should see how he's going now.
