PS. Sorry for the spam. School holidays, and I'm not working ATM ... but I am drinking! 
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..kiterboy said..
Of course, there's no money in cures, but plenty to be made in ongoing treatment.
Look at how the world has been going, everything is or is moving to being subscription based.
We're moving into subscription based health care. For life.
I want to call BS on that cos I can't believe that all those involved in medicine, knowing that one day they'll be in the patient's seat, are happy to keep people sick...
And Netflix is so much better than broadcast TV.
We don't need big pharmas to keep us sick, we've got big farmers. Since the men were sent off to war and the women started shopping at supermarkets it all went pearshaped.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
We don't need big pharmas to keep us sick, we've got big farmers. Since the men were sent off to war and the women started shopping at supermarkets it all went pearshaped.
How does that work? You mean, processed food?
Yeah but you have to admit the deaths after having the jab statistic are the same.
"12 000 people in the US have died after having a covid vax shot, and we think maybe 86% of them died because of the covid shot"
What perplexes me the most is not the fact that there is no open debate on any of the arguments that run counter to the official narrative.
It's the fact that people are happy to accept the narrative and not question why there is no debate.
It is a fundamental principle in determining the truth.
Both in the legal system and in science.
Audi alteram partem
It's very simple. If the other side is denied the opportunity to present their case it is because the deniers are not confident that their narrative is sound.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
PS. Sorry for the spam. School holidays, and I'm not working ATM ... but I am drinking!
nothing wrong with that!
Select to expand quotepsychomub said..FormulaNova said..psychomub said..
Anyone who still thinks we aren't being deceived and lied to about covid...
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/twist-in-death-of-27yearold-covid19-patient-aude-alaskar/news-story/41af00b4dfc3eabdaaecb933402c9c93
This story started out as a perfectly healthy man who succumbed to the Rona, along with calls for everyone under 40 to be jabbed immediately.
So..it turns out he returned a negative C19 test the day before he died and had a history of heart conditions.
Still, he is listed as a Covid victim, and the headline still refers to him as a Covid patient despite the negative test.
Are you sure you are reading that article correctly?
Where did you get that information about 'history of heart conditions'? From a different article somewhere else?
The article does mention that Covid can affect the heart... but you are referring to this poor guy as already having a heart condition?
His family said there was a history of cardiac issues.
You seem quite desperate to pin this on Covid.
Okay, so the media are reporting that his family had a history of heart conditions. So we can put laid to the concern about being lied to, as the media has told us two sides of the story and are not ganging up to hide the truth. They are reporting and then reporting on new information.
His family said there was a family history of heart problems. There are probably lots of people out there that do.
If you happen to die when locked up in isolation, and it turns out to be a heart problem, how do they decide whether it was the heart problem that would have happened anyway or if Covid caused it? If Covid exacerbates these problems is the 'cause' Covid or not?
I would suggest that the cause is Covid as it may not have happened without it. How do you then apply the same logic to vaccines? If someone has a heart condition and takes a vaccine and dies 'from the heart condition', I would suggest that the cause is then the vaccine as they would have been okay without it.
I am not desperate to pin this on Covid, but I would prefer it if people got vaccinated.
Maybe those who don't want the vaccine could just take up AFL, Rugby League or horse racing ?
Those things seem to be completely immune from any COVID related restrictions placed on other folk.
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..Poida said..
I asked a senior immunologist for some facts to argue with the anti vax/trumpers/qanon/conspiracy theory nuts. He said it is impossible to argue with them. They morph the argument when their facts are proven wrong. Reponses like - "do your own research, my gut feeling, my intuition, Bill Gates, your going to die if you have the vaccine, the cabal, the corporations, big pharma, They, Them, etc etc"
Cool story bro, needs more dragons
Maybe dinosaurs for you 
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
Maybe those who don't want the vaccine could just take up AFL, Rugby League or horse racing ?
Those things seem to be completely immune from any COVID related restrictions placed on other folk.
You are thinking about it wrong.
Think of all the people that would be throwing their beer at the tele if there was no AFL, football, or horse racing?
Don't even suggest shutting down beer deliveries! WA would be locked down, and no one would need to mandate it.
I could be wrong but there is a Utube vid that shows them putting the covid vax into Emu bitter so they can vaccinate the uneducated ??
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
I am not desperate to pin this on Covid, but I would prefer it if people got vaccinated.
I also find it completely plausible that the Covid took him out of a life that could have been long and healthy but I rate the chance of this happening at less than one in fifty thousand, not nearly common enough to validate violating the Nurumberg code.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..psychojoe said..
We don't need big pharmas to keep us sick, we've got big farmers. Since the men were sent off to war and the women started shopping at supermarkets it all went pearshaped.
How does that work? You mean, processed food?
There's quite a bit to it, I've only skimmed the surface in regards to regenerative farming.
The supermarket non free range grain fed meats are missing essential nutrients.
Crops are grown in soils that lack essential elements. Farmers are just using whatever mix of poison and fertilizer that pays the bills.
And then, as you say, there's all the processed ****. Out of everything in the supermarket I probably select from less than ten percent of it coz the rest may as well be poison
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
I could be wrong but there is a Utube vid that shows them putting the covid vax into Emu bitter so they can vaccinate the uneducated ??
I hope they are snorting it out of their nose then, so the vaccine gets where it needs to be.
I wonder if nasal delivery of a vaccine for this is going to solve part of the problem in getting rid of the infection in the upper respiratory tract?
As for Emu bitter, I am not sure its the 'uneducated' that are turning their backs on vaccination. I think its the 'newly educated' that are doing that and all they need is Facebook and a fondness for memes.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
Why do I get the feeling that Kiterkid would be the person who stumbles across a peaceful protest, that he has no idea what its even for, but will join in anyway and be the one who throws pot plants and punches horses. lol
Im glad I took the "blue pill and not the red one " and live in ignorant bliss, if the government are controlling and tracking me now, I hope they saw the barrel I got today.
Cause you're stupid.
Select to expand quotechrispy said..kiterboy said..chrispy said..kiterboy said..chrispy said..kiterboy said..chrispy said..kiterboy said..sgo said..psychomub said..
Anyone who still thinks we aren't being deceived and lied to about covid...
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/twist-in-death-of-27yearold-covid19-patient-aude-alaskar/news-story/41af00b4dfc3eabdaaecb933402c9c93
This story started out as a perfectly healthy man who succumbed to the Rona, along with calls for everyone under 40 to be jabbed immediately.
So..it turns out he returned a negative C19 test the day before he died and had a history of heart conditions.
Still, he is listed as a Covid victim, and the headline still refers to him as a Covid patient despite the negative test.
The article you refer to says "his family" had a history of heart problems, no mention of his heart situation.
He would have had previous tests as positive, that's why he was being treated for covid. Your article also explains the negative result.
The story started out about a man with covid, not someone "perfectly healthy"
But you are right on one point, we are being "deceived and lied to"...
'Mr Alaskar was being followed up daily by nursing staff and had relatively mild symptoms until he "suddenly deteriorated" around lunchtime on Tuesday...'
Why do you suppose he was being cared for by nursing staff if he only had relatively mild symptoms?
Why don't you tell us why the nurses were in contact every day Do it with facts and not more of your innuendo which seems to be your speciality
If you don't know what nurses are for at your age, I can't help you.
Pffft ,same old conspiracy response
You come out with a innuendo intended to further your baseless and your no fact argument ....and yawn,have nothing to back it up except that dribble of a reply
.
What argument?
The one you are making with your dribbling?
I mean, I really feel sorry for you, for your complete lack of reading and comprehension skills.
Don't feel bad that you don't know what nurses are for.
More points than a porcupine and still got nothing
It is your comprehension that is lacking,or more so you swerving my original question
People like you prove our education system is broken
Keep trying little fella, you might be able to string a sensible thought together one day.
And the boi still has nothing 
So cool when you speak in the third person.
The CEO of Pfizer had to cancel a planned trip to Israel because he was not fully vaccinated. Let me repeat: BECAUSE HE WAS NOT VACCINATED.
FUN FACT: The "Delta Variant" was the "India Variant." But India got over this variant.....with Ivermectin.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..chrispy said..kiterboy said..chrispy said..kiterboy said..chrispy said..kiterboy said..chrispy said..kiterboy said..sgo said..psychomub said..
Anyone who still thinks we aren't being deceived and lied to about covid...
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/twist-in-death-of-27yearold-covid19-patient-aude-alaskar/news-story/41af00b4dfc3eabdaaecb933402c9c93
This story started out as a perfectly healthy man who succumbed to the Rona, along with calls for everyone under 40 to be jabbed immediately.
So..it turns out he returned a negative C19 test the day before he died and had a history of heart conditions.
Still, he is listed as a Covid victim, and the headline still refers to him as a Covid patient despite the negative test.
The article you refer to says "his family" had a history of heart problems, no mention of his heart situation.
He would have had previous tests as positive, that's why he was being treated for covid. Your article also explains the negative result.
The story started out about a man with covid, not someone "perfectly healthy"
But you are right on one point, we are being "deceived and lied to"...
'Mr Alaskar was being followed up daily by nursing staff and had relatively mild symptoms until he "suddenly deteriorated" around lunchtime on Tuesday...'
Why do you suppose he was being cared for by nursing staff if he only had relatively mild symptoms?
Why don't you tell us why the nurses were in contact every day Do it with facts and not more of your innuendo which seems to be your speciality
If you don't know what nurses are for at your age, I can't help you.
Pffft ,same old conspiracy response
You come out with a innuendo intended to further your baseless and your no fact argument ....and yawn,have nothing to back it up except that dribble of a reply
.
What argument?
The one you are making with your dribbling?
I mean, I really feel sorry for you, for your complete lack of reading and comprehension skills.
Don't feel bad that you don't know what nurses are for.
More points than a porcupine and still got nothing
It is your comprehension that is lacking,or more so you swerving my original question
People like you prove our education system is broken
Keep trying little fella, you might be able to string a sensible thought together one day.
And the boi still has nothing
So cool when you speak in the third person.
Yawn
Select to expand quoteAnise said..
The CEO of Pfizer had to cancel a planned trip to Israel because he was not fully vaccinated. Let me repeat: BECAUSE HE WAS NOT VACCINATED.
FUN FACT: The "Delta Variant" was the "India Variant." But India got over this variant.....with Ivermectin.
Your fun fact is nothing but another conspiracy started on Facebook....maybe start fact checking and stop believing memes
Oh look!
Gollum is now saying what Pierre Kory, Peter McCollough and numerous other frontline doctors were saying over a year ago!
twitter.com/awareness_4all/status/1423290214793900046?s=21
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..sgo said..psychomub said..
Anyone who still thinks we aren't being deceived and lied to about covid...
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/twist-in-death-of-27yearold-covid19-patient-aude-alaskar/news-story/41af00b4dfc3eabdaaecb933402c9c93
This story started out as a perfectly healthy man who succumbed to the Rona, along with calls for everyone under 40 to be jabbed immediately.
So..it turns out he returned a negative C19 test the day before he died and had a history of heart conditions.
Still, he is listed as a Covid victim, and the headline still refers to him as a Covid patient despite the negative test.
The article you refer to says "his family" had a history of heart problems, no mention of his heart situation.
He would have had previous tests as positive, that's why he was being treated for covid. Your article also explains the negative result.
The story started out about a man with covid, not someone "perfectly healthy"
But you are right on one point, we are being "deceived and lied to"...
'Mr Alaskar was being followed up daily by nursing staff and had relatively mild symptoms until he "suddenly deteriorated" around lunchtime on Tuesday...'
Why do you suppose he was being cared for by nursing staff if he only had relatively mild symptoms?
"He was being cared for by southwestern Sydney Local Health District during his isolation period and he'd reached day 13," Dr Chant said on Wednesday."He was being followed up daily by nursing staff and suddenly deteriorated. He was being checked daily and he did complain of feeling a little fatigued but the deterioration happened suddenly, is my understanding."
Apparently he was in the care of the district and obviously was getting daily follow up checks while isolating at home(phone calls etc).
But as this is main stream media, shouldn't everyone be dismissing the article outright instead of arguing about it. I mean isn't the whole story fabricated?
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
Yeah but you have to admit the deaths after having the jab statistic are the same.
"12 000 people in the US have died after having a covid vax shot, and we think maybe 86% of them died because of the covid shot" Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
how do they decide whether it was the heart problem that would have happened anyway or if Covid caused it? If Covid exacerbates these problems is the 'cause' Covid or not?
Oh that's easy:
pre-existing conditions + COVID = death ... diagnosis: COVID killed them.
pre-existing conditions + vaccine = death ... diagnosis: pre-existing conditions killed them. /s
As for excess mortality in the US, it's up over previous years IN ALL CATEGORIES. People have been using the excess mortality figures as the COVID death toll, but the CDC says that IIRC only a third of that figure is actually related to COVID.
Select to expand quotechrispy said..Anise said..
The CEO of Pfizer had to cancel a planned trip to Israel because he was not fully vaccinated. Let me repeat: BECAUSE HE WAS NOT VACCINATED.
FUN FACT: The "Delta Variant" was the "India Variant." But India got over this variant.....with Ivermectin.
Your fun fact is nothing but another conspiracy started on Facebook....maybe start fact checking and stop believing memes
www.timesofisrael.com/pfizer-ceo-postponed-israel-visit-because-he-isnt-fully-vaccinated-report/
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
There's quite a bit to it, I've only skimmed the surface in regards to regenerative farming.
The supermarket non free range grain fed meats are missing essential nutrients.
Crops are grown in soils that lack essential elements. Farmers are just using whatever mix of poison and fertilizer that pays the bills.
And then, as you say, there's all the processed ****. Out of everything in the supermarket I probably select from less than ten percent of it coz the rest may as well be poison
That sounds too much like organic vegan CT to me.
Select to expand quotechrispy said..Anise said..
The CEO of Pfizer had to cancel a planned trip to Israel because he was not fully vaccinated. Let me repeat: BECAUSE HE WAS NOT VACCINATED.
FUN FACT: The "Delta Variant" was the "India Variant." But India got over this variant.....with Ivermectin.
Your fun fact is nothing but another conspiracy started on Facebook....maybe start fact checking and stop believing memes
... but its on facebook... written by people not journalists, so it must be true 
apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:10025190134
It is scary that people will accept this sort of crap from someone posting on facebook but never seem to check it to see if it seems sensible. It sounds 'exciting' and aligns with their viewpoint so they will gulp it down without considering if it sounds believable.
A CEO that doesn't get vaccinated by his own company's vaccine? They would either keep that super secret or sack the CEO for bad press.
Select to expand quotejapie said..
What perplexes me the most is not the fact that there is no open debate on any of the arguments that run counter to the official narrative.
It's the fact that people are happy to accept the narrative and not question why there is no debate.
It is a fundamental principle in determining the truth.
Both in the legal system and in science.
Audi alteram partem
It's very simple. If the other side is denied the opportunity to present their case it is because the deniers are not confident that their narrative is sound.
Or
The counter arguments were held in appropriate settings where appropriately qualified people could put their case. Rather than a public slanging match where johhny one stars with no formal education past grade 3 starts espousing facts that only he knows.
One of the smartest antivaxxers knows how to cook a souffl?, which seems to add to his credibility in the antivaxxer world. Hew indicated in an interview that he was soooo smart and could prove them all wrong, that the government might cause an accident in which he 'disappeared.'
Appropriate discussions are held by people with higher degree qualifications, who do peer reviewed research, so their opinions are worth listening to.
FYI, youtube isn't a place for scientific peer review.
Select to expand quotebobajob said..
But as this is main stream media, shouldn't everyone be dismissing the article outright instead of arguing about it. I mean isn't the whole story fabricated?
This is the same logical fallacy behind the "Oh you want to wait for proper testing and long-term safety data? You're an anti-vaxxer" argument...
The important thing here, like Facebook keeps telling us, is that it's missing context or background information. Instead, a tragic story of the death of a young man (we all presume to be hale and hearty) was used to validate lockdown decisions... THEN we get the details that weaken the narrative, like heart problems.
Admittedly they got us the details within a couple of days (unlike NYTimes which can wait months for corrections, retractions and apologies) but already it's too late -- nobody is listening to that anymore, and if you think it's important ... you're a conspiracy theorist.
... heh, always amusing when suddenly FB and the shrieking weirdo mobs demand context be considered in their case ...
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I find that when I am generally browsing the Times of Israel, something I do most days, that I take what they say and read through it. Sometimes the headlines are a bit different to the body of the article, such as in this case, but generally I find 'the Times' to be the best source of all news that I really want to know about in Israel.
It's not like some idiot sent me the link on Facebook or I googled it and didn't read through the article or anything.
I might have missed it, but as that was on the 5th of March, did they do an update after he received his second jab?
Oh hang on, I might have to cancel my subscription to the Times. They seem to be changing things as they go. Just the day before they reported that the visit was cancelled due to concerns about political influence.
www.timesofisrael.com/pfizer-ceo-postpones-israel-visit-amid-criticism-of-proximity-to-election/
Who am I to believe? I might have to check facebook again to see what I need to think.
Oh my, even more information:
www.businessinsider.com.au/israel-pfizer-ceo-cancels-trip-following-election-interference-claims-2021-3
Didn't someone mention propaganda before? Hmmm... is propaganda only when its about Covid or is it propaganda when a politician wants to influence his re-election chances? I guess that's not as exciting as the CEO not getting his second jab.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..psychojoe said..
There's quite a bit to it,... less than ten percent of it coz the rest may as well be poison
That sounds too much like organic vegan CT to me.
Wow, something we agree on. Quickly, change your opinion!
Select to expand quoteJulianRoss said..
Or
The counter arguments were held in appropriate settings where appropriately qualified people could put their case. Rather than a public slanging match where johhny one stars with no formal education past grade 3 starts espousing facts that only he knows.
One of the smartest antivaxxers knows how to cook a souffl?, which seems to add to his credibility in the antivaxxer world. Hew indicated in an interview that he was soooo smart and could prove them all wrong, that the government might cause an accident in which he 'disappeared.'
Appropriate discussions are held by people with higher degree qualifications, who do peer reviewed research, so their opinions are worth listening to.
FYI, youtube isn't a place for scientific peer review.
Yeah that doesn't happen. The government polls the scenarios that would ruin their chances of a re-election, puts the epidemiologists who predict total and utter destruction in front of the cameras, then find the experts to promote their public health plan.
Avoid the actual anti-vax nuts and look at the medical professionals behind The Barrington Declaration, for example.
Another one: Anders Tegnell designed Sweden's response to be far less restrictive -- basically, "learn to live with the disease" -- and was IMMEDIATELY condemned by the western media outlets and other "experts". Literally an expert, following "the science", and there was no debate, just assumption that that approach was wrong.
BTW the wife is a published and peer-reviewed author. It's pretty interesting to be a fly on the wall and observe that process... I put a lot less faith in it as a gold standard now than I did before. Especially when it's not about data that can be replicated.
