Vaccine who has it who hasn't who won't?

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actiomax said..
The thought just came to me that these are the sort of statistics that brought on the war on illegal drugs .
People who don't use them recreationally are all for that .
And those that do don't care .
I know there's a lot of social issues with that but they would disappear if they were regulated and legal.
Just right now before my morning cuppa .
I'm thinking anti vaccination people are going on about there freedoms and there choices yet I'm old enough to know people who had polio and the reality is that they can infect others .
Yet the use of recreational drugs in not contagious and it's still the freedom of choice thing but there okay to force there will onto others with that .
I'm not condoning drug use or anything like that
but the reality is that we have lost that war and a new approach is needed & it just seems hypocritical with the it's my body my choice when we actually already have a situation that is not infectious but is mandated and supported by the majority and everyone is comfortable with that.
It's just a thought & I'm interested in other opinions on that.

And while I'm on the subject.
There's a lot of prison real estate that's full of minor drug offenders. That space would be much better used to house perpetrators of domestic violence.

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japie said..

kiterboy said..

lotofwind said..

You guys will be the control group.....well....the group being controlled. lol

Says the one being controlled by the rampant fear mongering.

I started to reply to that but cancelled because I realised that it really was quite pointless!

Peter McCollough says in one of his interviews that it's almost as though a large percentage of doctors are in a trance.

Brian Gerrish from the UK Column delves into this phenomenon in depth. Been doing it for a fair while before the onset of Covid.

The British and French government have been colluding on the use of applied psychology in order to manipulate the population into accepting government policies. The UK government states in one of their documents on the subject that in the unlikely event that an individual realised that their stance on a policy has changed they will not be able to figure out how it happened.

Fear is a major factor in the technique.

I'm immune to it. As is everyone else who does not watch television, listen to the radio of read the mainstream papers.

lol, cant help but think your just gripped with another fear by reading all the non MSM stuff.

I guess it comes down to choose your fear hey.

15% of our prisoners are in for illicit drug use .
They make there own choice for that yet we incarcerated them for it & they can't infect others because society has decided it's illegal.
Now are we going to jail the unvaccinated because of there choices when they actually create harm to others by not getting vaccination?
Are we going to build special prisons for them & enforce it?
Or do we allow them the freedom of choice?
And if so why doesn't that apply to illegal drugs?

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japie said..
I'm immune to it. As is everyone else who does not watch television, listen to the radio of read the mainstream papers.

Maybe you should read mainstream as well to see both sides instead of the fear of vax people on Rumble, Utube and fox news.
You do realize that Rumble largely consisted of viral videos and videos of kids and animals.
Peter McCullough also has been proven to of made false and misleading claims about COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccines.
But he does support isolation, lock downs and masks.
I wonder how much he gets paid by the hydroxychloroquine makers to say the things he says, when there have been in-depth independent testing of hydroxychloroquine with none finding any benefits for covid. Except for lining McCulloughs pockets

Yeah there is a few people getting sucked into the fear of vax campaign, seems to be the same people who had the fear of signing into venues and QR codes....... remember that? The anti gov crew saying they will never sign in anywhere as its just the gov. trying to follow me and control me. Now they all sign in everywhere and they dont talk about it anymore because its no longer big news on twitter, Rumble, Utube and Seabreeze where a lot of these conspiracy's thrive.

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lotofwind said..
I wonder how much he gets paid by the hydroxychloroquine makers to say the things he says, when there have been in-depth independent testing of hydroxychloroquine with none finding any benefits for covid. Except for lining McCulloughs pockets

Do you also entertain the idea that Pfizer and their brethren are possibly sponsoring false statements and data, as you do with the 'makers of hydroxychloroquine'?

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kiterboy said..

lotofwind said..
I wonder how much he gets paid by the hydroxychloroquine makers to say the things he says, when there have been in-depth independent testing of hydroxychloroquine with none finding any benefits for covid. Except for lining McCulloughs pockets

Do you also entertain the idea that Pfizer and their brethren are possibly sponsoring false statements and data, as you do with the 'makers of hydroxychloroquine'?

Go see your doctor and then a second doctor, they will give you all the data and figures you want. They have already prescribed you antibiotics that have a higher risk than the jab, and you took them no questions asked.
Yes we know their are small risks of the vax, as there is with nearly all medications.

My point was people saying dont trust the gov. or big Pharm. as they are only interested in the money or its all a big plan to cull the human race. Then they put there faith in internet videos on Rumble/Utube by people who are getting paid off themselves.

I have watched most of the viral videos you guys are posting on here and can see how you are believing the fear of the jab videos. But you really need to do a bit of looking into who these social media viral video people are and who are paying them, and why they are only popular on social media

It's all a government conspiracy to reduce house prices. As the country passes the 70% vaccination rate things will start to open up. The vaccinated will become super spreaders without knowing it, passing the virus to the unvaccinated. As the unvaccinated get sick and pass away there will be more housing available.
The population will fall and by simple mathematics we will approach 80% with no further vaccinations given. At 80% international vaccinated travellers arrive with no quarantine, further spreading the virus amongst the unvaccinated, once again increasing the availability of housing. Housing prices will drop making them more affordable.

Labour wanted to do it by banning negative gearing, the Libs are smarter.

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Harrow said..
My first jab had such an absence of side effects I almost wondered if I'd been part of a placebo experiment or been given a dud dose. Not so with my second jab. Injection site is very sore, aches and pains all over, and a horrible headache. They say this means it's doing me good, so I guess I'll just grin and bear it.

Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing. I was thinking that I could be part of a trial but then figured that there would be huge legal ramifications if they told me I was vaccinated but I wasn't. I had no side effects of the Pfizer jab at all that I noticed on the first injection.

I got the second Pfizer shot yesterday and apart from it being tender around the injection site and not being able to sleep hard on that shoulder, so far I have noticed nothing. Hopefully the nurse is not making money on the side by selling my shot to someone else

Still, its only 24 hours now, so maybe I will become more complacent and start worshipping the authorities (more) in the next 24 hours?

If I start watching youtube conspiracy videos and thinking 'that sounds reasonable' I am driving myself to the hospital.

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kiterboy said..
I got covid and had hardly any symptoms, in fact I didn't feel any worse than having a mild flu, so I thought that maybe the whole thing about how lethal covid is was made up.

Seriously, I have absolutely no faith in what you are saying is true. You just brought it up now because you caught it yesterday and have recovered this morning.

You could be honest, but it sounds like bushlit to me.

The way I look at it is that it probably is just a minor disease ..... eventually. It will circulate and mutate as it goes, just like flu does.
But the difference is that flu has been endemic as long as any of us have been alive. Our immune systems see it for the first time when we are quite young and see it again fairly frequently throughout life and recognise it even if it changes a bit from year to year.
The thing about Covid is that our immune systems haven't seen it before so don't react as well as they might. Vaccines are made to give our bodies a bit of a look at what might be coming and get ready to deal with it. Like reading the book before you have to sit an exam on its contents

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sgo said..

kiterboy said..
I got covid and had hardly any symptoms, in fact I didn't feel any worse than having a mild flu, so I thought that maybe the whole thing about how lethal covid is was made up.

From ABC news today:
"Two COVID-related deaths, including a man in 20s NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the man died in his home overnight."Obviously our deepest condolences to his family and loved ones," she said."But it demonstrates again how this disease is lethal, how it affects people of all ages. Unfortunately the gentleman wasn't vaccinated, hadn't had any dose of the vaccine. As we understand the death happened quite suddenly."Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said the man was isolating at home and was being treated by south-western Sydney local health district during his isolation period and had reached day 13. "He was being followed up daily by nursing staff and suddenly deteriorated," Dr Chant said."


Yes, I think I'll follow the experts here.
No need to worry, just the flu.

Gee so scary.

So tell me this guy in his 20's didn't have any underlying health issues.
You would well know that if this guy was a picture of health, it would be very loudly proclaimed in the news story.

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FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..

kiterboy said..
I got covid and had hardly any symptoms, in fact I didn't feel any worse than having a mild flu, so I thought that maybe the whole thing about how lethal covid is was made up.

Just making an equivalent statement that you and others have about the vaccination.
You people like to make out that getting covid is a death sentence.

Now tell me that you don't believe that most people who have caught covid have just had a mild case.

Are you stupid or something? How is writing a clear statement that you have had Covid and it was no worse than a mild flu responsible? You clearly haven't had Covid, yet you may influence other people into believing it and making their own life affecting decisions based on this.

I have had two shots of the Pfizer vaccination and I am happy to tell people that I haven't had any side-effects, as its actually true.

Its a worry when people have to push their beliefs by lying about them.

P.S. I am really Zorg from the planet Neptuni 5. There are really aliens around, trust me.

Not quite as stupid as you it seems.

Are you saying that you don't believe that most people who have had covid have had only mild symptoms?

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sgo said..
From ABC news today:
"Two COVID-related deaths, including a man in 20s NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the man died in his home overnight."Obviously our deepest condolences to his family and loved ones," she said."But it demonstrates again how this disease is lethal, how it affects people of all ages. Unfortunately the gentleman wasn't vaccinated, hadn't had any dose of the vaccine. As we understand the death happened quite suddenly."Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said the man was isolating at home and was being treated by south-western Sydney local health district during his isolation period and had reached day 13. "He was being followed up daily by nursing staff and suddenly deteriorated," Dr Chant said."


Yes, I think I'll follow the experts here.
No need to worry, just the flu.

I'm sorry, but the media and politicians have continue to prove themselves to be absolute and utter bald-faced shameless liars when they've got an agenda to push, or at best refuse to include context or background details when it matters.

These days, I remain agnostic about anything broadcast until there's been corroboration and additional details.

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cammd said..

japie said..

kiterboy said..

lotofwind said..

You guys will be the control group.....well....the group being controlled. lol

Says the one being controlled by the rampant fear mongering.

I started to reply to that but cancelled because I realised that it really was quite pointless!

Peter McCollough says in one of his interviews that it's almost as though a large percentage of doctors are in a trance.

Brian Gerrish from the UK Column delves into this phenomenon in depth. Been doing it for a fair while before the onset of Covid.

The British and French government have been colluding on the use of applied psychology in order to manipulate the population into accepting government policies. The UK government states in one of their documents on the subject that in the unlikely event that an individual realised that their stance on a policy has changed they will not be able to figure out how it happened.

Fear is a major factor in the technique.

I'm immune to it. As is everyone else who does not watch television, listen to the radio of read the mainstream papers.

lol, cant help but think your just gripped with another fear by reading all the non MSM stuff.

I guess it comes down to choose your fear hey.

Fixated but not fearful. Angry and optimistic.

Optimistic because the Covid narrative is getting shakier by the day and as it does the number of people who are coming to the realisation that they have been manipulated beyond the pale is growing proportionally.

The globalists have had far too much influence for far too long and this has the potential of bringing their infernal meddling to an abrupt halt.

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hardpole said..

kiterboy said.

Are you saying that you don't believe that most people who have had covid have had only mild symptoms?

Most people who drink and drive don't crash and kill anyone. Doesn't mean we should all do it.

I never said we should all catch covid.
What's your point?