recently published declassified photos provide better inside how Moon was conquered half a century ago.
1. Good preparation for crossing lakes and famous seas on the Moon is a key to success
2.but after some disaster stike
3.NASA found that must be better /safer way to conquer Moon ( in Hollywood or Area51? ) 
now it looks like a real thing
4.
and much more convenient. Since now astronauts on the long journey to the Moon could walk for a break to nearest cafeteria
then regenerated, come back to hard work and walk on the Moon for hours
to be realistic we need some low gravity shots too
but some other shots needed to be removed from the transmission completely.
Once Buzz forgot to wear a helmet in vaccum space. Some sharp viewers may spot the fake. 
5. Back then we had only blue screen technology, now we have the whole CGI ! 
Look at the hands. Zip tie? that is another essential that saved many Appollo lives.
Beside obviously famous duct tape.I wonder if RD40 was invented already in the sixties? Could be handy too if something stack hard or engine don't want to start.
6. I don't remember seeing that 
looking at the picture I wonder. shoes a bit fancy but could be ok to walk on the Moon. But bare hands may get a bit cold at negative - 170 celsius.
Maybe that was a technical reason NASA didn't use backpack rocket but rovers instead.
7 . I especially like this part. NASA expected strong winds on the Moons could cause serious problems
I am not a technical genius or rocket scientist but many others may spot and ask the same. Why on hell to use the jet engine on the Moon instead of the rocket? Suggesting propeller or helicopter could be a bit naive even at the sixties on the atmosphere less Moon, but the jet engine is not?
8. Some pictures from Moon flight too sharp in detail. So an effort was spent to make them less clear
isn't that a perfect view on astronauts in the cabin during Moon landing?
At least the dashboard doesn't look that complicated. Beside spedo and oil temperature gauges, not much to worry about.
Handbrake must be somewhere too once that parked vehicle on the surface, so didn't fly away by itself.
Then obviously reverse gear lever. You don't want to stack on the Moon of first gear for sure. You need to come back somehow.
10. Still quite difficult to understand how sophisticated equipment Neil Armstrong needed to operate.
That looks like XXII technology or even Startack
I would improve on the design by attaching maybe airbags - just in the case of crash landing on the Moon surface.
11. Then safe return to the Earth after successful docking to the mother ship.
some scaffolding could be edited later on
14. Still quite amazing how long NASA managed to keep the secret for so long since so many people have been involved
Original Lunar Lander will be soon on display at Disney Park.
So everybody could be Neil and Buzz. So much more convenient to ship lander from Area52 desert rather than from Moon surface to Los Angeles.
Because some things were practiced on earth - a good idea I would think, learning how to fly the thing and simulated water landings and underwater escapes, little insignificant stuff like that - means the whole thing was faked...?
Really. 
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
Because some things were practiced on earth - a good idea I would think, learning how to fly the thing
learned then forgotten for a half a century there
is XXI century and we don't have a slight idea how to land a man on the Moon and if you ask/order NASA to send a crew next year, they will technically not be able to full fill.US is unable to send a human to ISS 200 km above the ground.
That doesn't mean that Gagarin was faked or ISS is made of paper too.
But US is spending 1.5 trillion dollars now on modernizing/ upgrading nuclear capability. I am 100% convinced the nukes are real.
Obviously, there is not a country on the Earth/world where democracy is implemented and you could just simply ask people what do they want then do so.
But hypothetically let's imagine that Congress could do just that and ask :
Do you want:
1) to spend your money - 1.5 trillion on next generation of atomic bombs
or
2( you want to send children of Buzz and Neil Amstrong back to the planet their dads already have been. Or even beyond. Like a Mars? as to Australia.
We are going to spend another 200 bln to upgrade our submarine. That is 200,000 mln Australian dollars that will lead us in opposite direction to the space objects. Elon is selling his Falcon Heavy rockets able to lift 50 tonnes for mere 90mln.
200,000 / 90 = 2220 rockets from Elon could be bought.
We could buy few of those and mount Aussie trip to the Moon.
Perth could weld Moon capsule for that purpose, people have a well-paid job there instead of welding sinkable submersible.
Macroscien this is your best work yet.
If we had been to the moon it wouldn't take half a century to go back.
The moon trip which may/may not have happened should be basic and cheap to replicate 50 years on, yet we cannot.
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..
Macroscien this is your best work yet.
If we had been to the moon it wouldn't take half a century to go back.
The moon trip which may/may not have happened should be basic and cheap to replicate 50 years on, yet we cannot.
I can only assume this is a joke, so ha ha.
Or is Macro another of Pete's log-ins?
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..
Macroscien this is your best work yet.
If we had been to the moon it wouldn't take half a century to go back.
The moon trip which may/may not have happened should be basic and cheap to replicate 50 years on, yet we cannot.
No, I suggest there is no desire/ need.
We only went as it was a pissing contest between USA and USSR, in the cold war days of hate and fear.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..Razzonater said..
Macroscien this is your best work yet.
If we had been to the moon it wouldn't take half a century to go back.
The moon trip which may/may not have happened should be basic and cheap to replicate 50 years on, yet we cannot.
No, I suggest there is no desire/ need.
We only went as it was a pissing contest between USA and USSR, in the cold war days of hate and fear.
Somebody should come back and at least to check if the American flag is still standing.
51st state or so? That give you rights to shoot down anybody aiming at your territory.
I understand your concern. We are all here wind loving community and under such criteria, windless Moon is completely useless.
But Mars has strong winds and now even lakes filled with liquid water.
Funny that Chinese aim now for the hidden, dark side of the Moon.
This way nobody could see here what they're really doing there.
By the time Americans cook new moon rockets could be another billion Chinese living on dark side already.
Chinese Yotu robot is already testing and marking turf on the Moon for colonization.
In fact, Americans already claimed the land around Appolo landing site= on the basis of important historical value.
Lets rat race began again. This time with 3 or more competitors.I am sure Europe want to own a piece too but without Brits now the only hope is to extend Eifel tower in Paris to reach the Moon and climb there.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
.....Or is Macro another of Pete's log-ins?...
I think Macro is just talking from experience.
I am not sure which planet he is from, but I am slowly putting together a few clues :
1) the sun shines 100 times brighter on his home planet so solar powered boats / quadbikes / water pumps actually work
2) they have no need for batteries (see point above) hence no experience in using chargers / controllers etc.
3) they do not have trees, so have not needed to develop chainsaws
4) nobody there takes holidays on barges in the middle of rivers which get in the way of other people taking holidays on sailing craft in the middle of rivers
5) it is not necessarily in our own solar system, and probably neither the moon or Mars. I imagine any being from these planets would be more human-like than Macro appears
6) evidence of anal probing is inconclusive (so far.......)
Do you all remember Armstrong? Not that Armstrong but another hero riding bikes.
How sad it was to see the hero falling off the pedestal after cheating was discovered and revealed.
In my opinion, we could wait another few years with Moon, and let our heroes die with dignity.
The last thing we all want is to see is next Armstrong and Buzz falling of pedestals, Ferraris reclaimed, school children throwing smelly eggs onto old once champions.
www.facebook.com/groups/ElonMusk/permalink/1803356876425507/
Elon, let's give the old man a peace, don't hurry so much with Falcon and other Big F*** Rockets.
Obviously, we have now methods to 100% verify if the landing really took place.
We could take old men onto polygraph test or even waterboarding.
One small sacrifice so whole humanity could learn the truth. Just one more small step....Eventually, we could send reported to ask Trump and he will spell the truth as usual. The whole truth and the only truth.
Select to expand quoteChris6791 said..
What about reverse engineering?
Can we send one of those to Japan or China and order 100 new, exactly the same F1 motors but at the price of one?
Even Iran captured recently on of US drones and start making their own in less than one year exactly the same.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
I am not sure which planet he is from,
I can tell you something but don't disclose to anybody.
My spaceship travel not only from planet to planet, star to star faster than light.
but also travel through Time.
To the past and to the future.
Here is just for you small pick from future newspapers.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
No, I suggest there is no desire/ need.
Surely you can't believe this to be true? It's 2018, mankind continues to improve and exploit everything they do.
Why hasn't anyone else put their flag up there yet? Diplomatic pissing comps still exist so if it was done 40 years ago it is able to be done again. Why do we continue to send astronaughts to the ISS, make trips to mars and jupiter yet we can't send a few blokes with gopros on a week long trip to the moon?
I'm a fence sitter, i'd love to believe it but i suspect one day the truth will come out and it wont be good.
I can't believe that people still don't believe they went to the moon. Do you realise how impossible it would be to fake it, hundreds of people involved would have to keep their mouth shut and keeping it secret would be harder than sending men to the moon.
Have you ever tried to keep something secret in the workplace .
Tell one person and before you know it the whole building knows. It just makes me wish they would go back to the site to silence this nonsense once and for all. I watched it live on tv and it was the most momentous moment that you could ever hope to see.
Select to expand quoterockmagnet said..
Ihundreds of people involved would have to keep their mouth shut
Remember MiB? Small tool?
You just press a button, flash of light and nobody remembers anything.It could happen that designing and building this flash pen is easier than travel to the Moon.
So here is how your secret is kept.
"Just Press and Forget"
Actually, this pen design could be from this same Nazi era as VonBAraun with his F1 rocket.
Holocaust was really sure, but thanks to this small Nazi device whole world forgot about it.
Select to expand quoterockmagnet said..
I watched it live on tv and it was the most momentous moment
I did watch in real time.Yep, I remember exactly every detail. And hell I couldn't believe how terrible TV vision was.A half a century before landing on the Moon TV sets had already better resolution and quality. But for the most important mission in human history, they managed to assemble the best F1 rocket - that we could not replicate today and the worst camera ever- not possible to recreate such awful quality either. So you are telling me that Junks being world master in cinematography and news feedstock didn't care about how the historical event will be propagated to the world? They did the test and check everything - as you see above- including a swimming pool, but they didn't test the camera?
I could reassure you that this photo is digitally remastered recently to improve quality totally.
What you did saw on that day wasn't even close to that picture.
But obviously, we could not resolve that suspicion/dilemma because ALL TAPES FROM MOON LANDING DISAPPEARED MIRACULOUSLY! Do you believe that ! ? Charlie Chaplin movies survived two world wars but the most important event in human history just gone. Fortunately, all video recording was recently recovered.
Due to progress in technology.
We have been able recently to scan human brains people that remember the event and digitally remaster it on the tape again. The official version is such. Leonardo da Vinci _ Mona Lisa is kept in a most secure museum in the world.
But all magnetic tapes were kept in some old garage and get lost somehow.Luckily we still know how to make a magnetic tape, although we don't know how to make F1 engine.
Select to expand quoteMDSXR6T said..
Surely you can't believe this to be true? It's 2018, mankind continues to improve and exploit everything they do.
Why hasn't anyone else put their flag up there yet? Diplomatic pissing comps still exist so if it was done 40 years ago it is able to be done again. Why do we continue to send astronaughts to the ISS, make trips to mars and jupiter yet we can't send a few blokes with gopros on a week long trip to the moon?
I'm a fence sitter, i'd love to believe it but i suspect one day the truth will come out and it wont be good.
Surely you can't think we never went there, based on "we haven't gone back"
There is a reflector on there that can be seen with a telescope and it is used to measure the moon to earth distance with a laser. Allll the time.
Allllll the photo "problems" are easily debunked by people who know how photography and lighting works.
The logic of "we are sending stuff to Mars why not go to the moon for a bit?" is lost on me. They did the moon, now it is put down as having been good practice for the next big missions. Why go back when there is zero point in colonising it, and as it has no atmosphere and is a dusty ball we have discovered everything about it from the soil samples etc?
Its an expensive exercise and NASA etc have enough trouble convincing the Govt to fund exploration of places we have not been to, let alone a pointless fun trip for the boys to discover nothing new. Doesn't that all sound more logical?
And geez Macro. The TV footage was sent a million times FURTHER than any signal before. And you say image degradation is a point that proves something....?
Select to expand quoterockmagnet said..
Have you ever tried to keep something secret in the workplace .
Totally agree. According to your logic, D Day didn't happen too.,
How could you prepare Normand landing in the total conspiracy? Hundreds of thousands of people involved, 40 km distance, human spies and spy planes and Hitler till last second didn't have a clue where aliens are going to land.
Just perfectly executed secret during the worst time, of the worst war in human history.or never happen and
we all live in a computer simulation where everything is possible....
Mark is a true believer to their unadulterated BS - just let him be.
The pic of the film director (forget his name ) walking down the street with so many NASA officials is pretty suss too.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
And geez Macro. The TV footage was sent a million times FURTHER than any signal before. And you say image degradation is a point that proves something....?
that is radio signal, not optical telescope on Earth looking at Neil coming out of the ship.Actually using the same radio-telescopes in Australia we are looking at distant objects 30 billions light years away.Hell , I don't even know how many times FURTHER then our friendly neighborhood Moon.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
Why go back when there is zero point in colonising it, and as it has no atmosphere and is a dusty ball we have discovered everything about it from the soil samples etc?
They stick flag and gone.
You don't even know what is beneath the surface.Earth core is made of pure iron.
What is Moon core is made of pure Gold and soil is full of crystal clear Diamonds? If that change anything makes next trip sensible?We know already that there are more Deuterium and Tritium then here on Earth.And those are much more expensive than gold and diamonds.
It will be interesting to see which way the flag is facing right now.There is not much wind on the Moon but lander thrusters should do some breeze to sail 1 meter away. Maybe the flag is standing, which could be a miracle or was thrown away. Chinese YoTo should give us the answer soon.
or maybe there is some breeze of fresh vacuum anyway or kids playing with my flag here
Earth looks like the dirty place.Couldn't Elong vacuum landing strip a bit? When you land on the Moon, everything remains squeaky clean.
Plenty of water on the Moon
www.facebook.com/SeekerUniverse/videos/10156137613218387
The license plate on the vehicle seems to be ok
but stop lights and indicators are missing
While astronauts busy playing golf somebody stole gold plating foil. Gold weighs on Moon only 1/6 what on Earth could but anyway precious booty for some locals crooks
That cannot be fake. The careful analysis showed that shadows are perfect. You could not replicate this on Earth. You may need billion lasers then cost more than whole US budget in the sixties. This guy is real too. Just mission manager need to check from time to time if astronauts guys are ok, don't need anything, like fresh coffee or burger.PS Look Mark, Your laser reflector seems to be ok too.
I went to Melbourne once.
I've never been back since. Why would you bother ?
Doesn't mean I have never been there.
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..
But Mars has strong winds
Um no it doesn't - wind speeds in the storms are like 160 kph but atmospheric pressure is about 1% that of earth so ... that's like 16 kph here.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Macroscien said..
But Mars has strong winds
Um no it doesn't - wind speeds in the storms are like 160 kph but atmospheric pressure is about 1% that of earth so ... that's like 16 kph here.
forgot something? like the square proportion of V? not linear proportione=mv2sorry , you may be actually exactly right/correct with your calculations
What is fascinating - that fact there is enough atmosphere for helicopter and other propeller-driven planes to fly
Wow! NASA must be good...even the Chinese are bouncing lasers off the reflectors that apparently (according to some) are not even there - Go figure?
gbtimes.com/china-just-bounced-a-laser-off-reflectors-on-the-moon-placed-by-nasas-apollo-15-mission
Those "Good Ol boys" at NASA sure suckered in them Chinese boffins . . . .
