Select to expand quoteMorrison's push to privatise Medicare
Posted by Proud to be Public 5pc on November 02, 2018
The Coalition is privatising Medicare by stealth, expanding labour hire across the Department of Human Services.At the last election, under immense community pressure, Malcolm Turnbull said of Medicare... "It will never be sold. Every element of Medicare services that is being delivered by the government today, will be delivered by government in the future. Full stop. That is a fact."Prime Minister Morrison is now in breach of that promise.As labour hire employees have been brought into Medicare in Hobart. Last year the Coalition started the privatisation of Centrelink, they have now sold off over 1,000 labour hire and 2,750 call centre jobs to private multinationals including one of the worlds most reviled corporations Serco. This expansion of labour hire into Medicare is the next step in the process to privatise Medicare and Centrelink. Together, we need to remind the Prime Minister what happens when they try to sell off our Medicare. Donate to our campaign fund today and with your help, we can get the word out across Australia. We could have radio ads like this playing in marginal electorates where the Coalition will be paying attention. Private corporations should have no place in handling our sensitive health records. Labour hire causes severe problems for the quality and reliability of service delivery. Labour hire workers are being paid less, receive significantly less training and support and work under inferior conditions with little or no job security. In June this year, we delivered 3,307 community submissions to Minister for Human Services Michael Keenan that called on him to stop the privatisation of Centrelink. To this day the Minister has not responded and has ignored our requests to meet. Instead, he has pushed ahead with privatising Centrelink and now Medicare.We know Australia wants our Medicare and Centrelink to be owned by us, not by private corporations. At the last election, community pressure meant that Medicare became the defining issue of the election and the Coalition was forced to back away from their plan to privatise.The Coalition are feeling the pressure of an upcoming Federal Election, our campaign fund will help get the message out to alert the community to their privatisation plans and put the Coalition on notice - if they don't put a stop to this privatisation the community will put a stop to them.Chip-in a few dollars now to help get our message out and stop the privatisation of Medicare and Centrelink. Together, we have won before. We know we can do it again, and we know that it will take all of us pitching in, talking to our friends, neighbours and colleagues, and getting active in the campaign.
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..
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Sadly it seems like a popularity contest and if a party tells you it will give free icecream and sprinkles, then someone will vote for them even though they should know that they need to take it easy on the icecream and sprinkles."
Your statement above sums up yours and labors thoughts on the intelligence of Australians hence labor lost the unlosable election.
Shifty Bill.
Lets see now.
'Save Medicare' many workers were pretty pissed they were conned by Bill on this one and didnt forget.
Tell the South he is for renewables go to FNQ and say he is all for Coal. Queenslanders are easy going but not fools.
Hob nobbing it with billionaires , eg. Pratt and pretending to be a workers friend when backstabbing them with deals with personal benefit which he fails to declare for two years.
Marrying a senior liberals daughter to get foot in the right doors then pissing her off to marry the Lefty Qld. DG,s daughter to further his career in Labor.
I could go on if you want.
Means nothing to me. I think lots of Australian's are dumb, so the party's need to target their campaigns to those people.
I think we started this with 'the electorate wanted to change'. This is also a common thing when people are scared or uncertain and will most likely err on the side of no change if its not a total disaster.
I thought Bill Shorten's policies were a bit strange in the end when he started to say 'me too' which tells me he was getting desperate. Maybe that was the case? Maybe that's what people thought?
His personal life, I don't care about. I don't even care about him as a person. I do want a government willing to make hard decisions though, and not about their own re-election chances above everything else.
Now, we have a government that needs to shift their focus on building an economy instead of creaming bits off of the top to pay for a surplus. This is a no brainer. Anything else means the recession lasts longer and bites deeper.
apple.news/AQkq0kRApQLqQLn-cm2DPtw
They're getting desperate now.
A 50k payment to stimulate new housing growth and a "welcome migration" policy, the RBA and government are incredible fools.
Select to expand quoteKrusty said..
apple.news/AQkq0kRApQLqQLn-cm2DPtw
They're getting desperate now.
A 50k payment to stimulate new housing growth and a "welcome migration" policy, the RBA and government are incredible fools.
yeah, interesting response isn't it. I guess this 'property council' only have one objective and they care about little else.
The RBA on the other hand have been warning about the risk of over inflated property values and now they are worried about a hard landing. I would not blame the RBA for this one though, they are doing the best they can to offer advice and warnings to the government, its just that the government have chosen to ignore them and at least in the last couple of years the RBA dare not lower interest rates too much for fear of slowing growth in the economy and at the same time wary of housing price increases.
This leaves the ball squarely in the court of the government. They are the only ones that can create policy to address these separately. The RBA does not.
That's right FN ................. the RBA only follows government policy, it's government that creates policy .................... and our role in this is that we vote in governments 
Select to expand quotePaddles B'mere said..
That's right FN ................. the RBA only follows government policy, it's government that creates policy .................... and our role in this is that we vote in governments
I don't think that you will be surprised that I agree 100%. Its a shame that our government has taken the approach that if they got voted in, then their approach is the correct one, even though they haven't really told us what it is.
I see ScoMo has obviously worked on the Penske account and continues to do so.
If we really want to consider an odd interpretation of the federal election result then look no further than our state ALP premier, she interpreted the federal election result as being purely the electorate's sanction of Adani's Carmichael mine and about faced within days.
CoreLogic are no longer reporting daily indices or the house value index (back series). Been gone for nearly a week
Select to expand quoteHaircut said..
CoreLogic are no longer reporting daily indices or the house value index (back series). Been gone for nearly a week
still selling on Goldie , Hedges Broady a few sold signs up ,when the covid ends and immigration is ramped up prices/rents should go up again ..just a matter of waiting it out .
i could see nz and aus opening up for travel to one another in the near future if we keep covid numbers low.
for the rest of the world coming here, that could be quite a long wait except for special circumstances in the future.
Friend said he just sold his 108sqm unit in Warriewood (NSW) for a flat $900k no ocean views, the small balcony looks west, I told him he would be lucky to get $600k 2 months ago... people still drinking the koolaid.
How is everyone going to spend their $25,000 of free money from that good bloke scomo?
On the interest payments for a $175k renovation loan Tony ..........................
Scumo gifts you 25k ,you spend 175k all up , gets nearly 16 k back in GST ...such is life ....!!
You guys read current economic data then make definitive statements about where housing prices are going. No clue about the real economy and the relationship with credit creation and banks. Read your history and know that housing will go nuts in the upwards direction for the next 5-6 years. Add a commodities peak and you've got some serious crank coming in the real economy. So stop worrying and reacting to doctored news and the fuzzy wuzzy figures these quacks send out - that always have a vested interest.
WHEN you hear how good housing is and the economy... and that the boom and bust has now been tamed (normally by someone pretty well known and apparently respected) -" This time is different" then get your running shoes on. The top is nigh. reduce all debt and hang on, this one is gonna make the GfC look like a walk in the park. You've been warned, so be ready.
or keep believing your own misguided an uninformed BS like the rest of the lemmings herd and try and win futile points of view that are justified by numbers thrown together to illicit a meaningless argument. And be reemed right up the date like most will.
data means nothing if the underlying structure, the basis of the arguments premise is flawed. And for most of you, that is exactly the case.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
You guys read current economic data then make definitive statements about where housing prices are going. No clue about the real economy and the relationship with credit creation and banks. Read your history and know that housing will go nuts in the upwards direction for the next 5-6 years. Add a commodities peak and you've got some serious crank coming in the real economy. So stop worrying and reacting to doctored news and the fuzzy wuzzy figures these quacks send out - that always have a vested interest.
WHEN you hear how good housing is and the economy... and that the boom and bust has now been tamed (normally by someone pretty well known and apparently respected) -" This time is different" then get your running shoes on. The top is nigh. reduce all debt and hang on, this one is gonna make the GfC look like a walk in the park. You've been warned, so be ready.
or keep believing your own misguided an uninformed BS like the rest of the lemmings herd and try and win futile points of view that are justified by numbers thrown together to illicit a meaningless argument. And be reemed right up the date like most will.
data means nothing if the underlying structure, the basis of the arguments premise is flawed. And for most of you, that is exactly the case.
Why didnt you predict this before.
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
How is everyone going to spend their $25,000 of free money from that good bloke scomo?
Right...so Keynesian economics is suddenly OK if you get the money? 
I think the scheme is badly designed on the run, poorly targeted, far too small and will most likely be totally ineffective. It's nothing more than propaganda in the grand scheme of things.
A large scale scheme to build social housing in conjunction with state governments would do far more to stimulate the economy, save jobs in construction and deal with the massive lack of affordable housing at the bottom end.
Never going to happen, coalition is about reducing building labour costs , has been for last 6 years , high unemployment in this industry is exactly what they want to achieve their goal .. they don't give a flying f... about the average blue collar workers living standards, your deluded if you think they do . They will keep throwing $$ at anything that preserves property prices for the elite .
thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2020/06/05/home-builder-michael-pascoe/
thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2020/05/27/scott-morrison-speech-pascoe/
Knowing this country perfectly well it will depend whether the buyer can pay, not whether the economy slumps, any lower pricing would be gradual and lag national economic down grade.
Too if you want to buy a house , because of loan repayment profit it is best to save locked up money to around half the property value over 5 to 10 years as deposit part payment or you will lose too much wages by financial institution profit e.g @600k another 300k to 400k is payed so half saved and half loan is sensible, 1/3rd property value at worst.
They didn't waste any opportunity saying it here.
Select to expand quotesotired said..eppo said..
You guys read current economic data then make definitive statements about where housing prices are going. No clue about the real economy and the relationship with credit creation and banks. Read your history and know that housing will go nuts in the upwards direction for the next 5-6 years. Add a commodities peak and you've got some serious crank coming in the real economy. So stop worrying and reacting to doctored news and the fuzzy wuzzy figures these quacks send out - that always have a vested interest.
WHEN you hear how good housing is and the economy... and that the boom and bust has now been tamed (normally by someone pretty well known and apparently respected) -" This time is different" then get your running shoes on. The top is nigh. reduce all debt and hang on, this one is gonna make the GfC look like a walk in the park. You've been warned, so be ready.
or keep believing your own misguided an uninformed BS like the rest of the lemmings herd and try and win futile points of view that are justified by numbers thrown together to illicit a meaningless argument. And be reemed right up the date like most will.
data means nothing if the underlying structure, the basis of the arguments premise is flawed. And for most of you, that is exactly the case.
Why didnt you predict this before.
I think eppo is using something like this:
www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Secret-Life-of-Real-Estate-Phillip-J-Anderson/9780856832635?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=ps&utm_campaign=AU&gclid=Cj0KCQjww_f2BRC-ARIsAP3zarFAtMDF1TtybT3TCERF59Nt1G62b05DwXUpnv5SkFja1mkt4_6K7lEaAr4PEALw_wcB
As his justification
Select to expand quotebobajob said..sotired said..eppo said..
You guys read current economic data then make definitive statements about where housing prices are going. No clue about the real economy and the relationship with credit creation and banks. Read your history and know that housing will go nuts in the upwards direction for the next 5-6 years. Add a commodities peak and you've got some serious crank coming in the real economy. So stop worrying and reacting to doctored news and the fuzzy wuzzy figures these quacks send out - that always have a vested interest.
WHEN you hear how good housing is and the economy... and that the boom and bust has now been tamed (normally by someone pretty well known and apparently respected) -" This time is different" then get your running shoes on. The top is nigh. reduce all debt and hang on, this one is gonna make the GfC look like a walk in the park. You've been warned, so be ready.
or keep believing your own misguided an uninformed BS like the rest of the lemmings herd and try and win futile points of view that are justified by numbers thrown together to illicit a meaningless argument. And be reemed right up the date like most will.
data means nothing if the underlying structure, the basis of the arguments premise is flawed. And for most of you, that is exactly the case.
Why didnt you predict this before.
I think eppo is using something like this:
www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Secret-Life-of-Real-Estate-Phillip-J-Anderson/9780856832635?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=ps&utm_campaign=AU&gclid=Cj0KCQjww_f2BRC-ARIsAP3zarFAtMDF1TtybT3TCERF59Nt1G62b05DwXUpnv5SkFja1mkt4_6K7lEaAr4PEALw_wcB
As his justification
Have you read it?
There's two ways of going about making a judgement on it.
The first is to read it and make up your own mind.
The second is to read a review and get the reviewer to make up your mind for you. This is the most common. I don't know why. Probably because it's an effort or maybe because reading is a struggle. Who knows!
Point is is that Anderson put in a massive amount of research and quotes data from way, way back when. The book will, in time, be a very useful tool for anyone studying the history of the economy.
Assuming we have people left alive trying to figure out what went wrong!
Select to expand quotejapie said..bobajob said..sotired said..eppo said..
You guys read current economic data then make definitive statements about where housing prices are going. No clue about the real economy and the relationship with credit creation and banks. Read your history and know that housing will go nuts in the upwards direction for the next 5-6 years. Add a commodities peak and you've got some serious crank coming in the real economy. So stop worrying and reacting to doctored news and the fuzzy wuzzy figures these quacks send out - that always have a vested interest.
WHEN you hear how good housing is and the economy... and that the boom and bust has now been tamed (normally by someone pretty well known and apparently respected) -" This time is different" then get your running shoes on. The top is nigh. reduce all debt and hang on, this one is gonna make the GfC look like a walk in the park. You've been warned, so be ready.
or keep believing your own misguided an uninformed BS like the rest of the lemmings herd and try and win futile points of view that are justified by numbers thrown together to illicit a meaningless argument. And be reemed right up the date like most will.
data means nothing if the underlying structure, the basis of the arguments premise is flawed. And for most of you, that is exactly the case.
Why didnt you predict this before.
I think eppo is using something like this:
www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Secret-Life-of-Real-Estate-Phillip-J-Anderson/9780856832635?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=ps&utm_campaign=AU&gclid=Cj0KCQjww_f2BRC-ARIsAP3zarFAtMDF1TtybT3TCERF59Nt1G62b05DwXUpnv5SkFja1mkt4_6K7lEaAr4PEALw_wcB
As his justification
Have you read it?
There's two ways of going about making a judgement on it.
The first is to read it and make up your own mind.
The second is to read a review and get the reviewer to make up your mind for you. This is the most common. I don't know why. Probably because it's an effort or maybe because reading is a struggle. Who knows!
Point is is that Anderson put in a massive amount of research and quotes data from way, way back when. The book will, in time, be a very useful tool for anyone studying the history of the economy.
Assuming we have people left alive trying to figure out what went wrong!
Haven't read it, had heard of it and actually ordered it this arvo. I did quiz eppo about it a little while ago but forgot all about it until reading this thread and it prompted me.
Select to expand quotebobajob said..japie said..bobajob said..sotired said..eppo said..
You guys read current economic data then make definitive statements about where housing prices are going. No clue about the real economy and the relationship with credit creation and banks. Read your history and know that housing will go nuts in the upwards direction for the next 5-6 years. Add a commodities peak and you've got some serious crank coming in the real economy. So stop worrying and reacting to doctored news and the fuzzy wuzzy figures these quacks send out - that always have a vested interest.
WHEN you hear how good housing is and the economy... and that the boom and bust has now been tamed (normally by someone pretty well known and apparently respected) -" This time is different" then get your running shoes on. The top is nigh. reduce all debt and hang on, this one is gonna make the GfC look like a walk in the park. You've been warned, so be ready.
or keep believing your own misguided an uninformed BS like the rest of the lemmings herd and try and win futile points of view that are justified by numbers thrown together to illicit a meaningless argument. And be reemed right up the date like most will.
data means nothing if the underlying structure, the basis of the arguments premise is flawed. And for most of you, that is exactly the case.
Why didnt you predict this before.
I think eppo is using something like this:
www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Secret-Life-of-Real-Estate-Phillip-J-Anderson/9780856832635?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=ps&utm_campaign=AU&gclid=Cj0KCQjww_f2BRC-ARIsAP3zarFAtMDF1TtybT3TCERF59Nt1G62b05DwXUpnv5SkFja1mkt4_6K7lEaAr4PEALw_wcB
As his justification
Have you read it?
There's two ways of going about making a judgement on it.
The first is to read it and make up your own mind.
The second is to read a review and get the reviewer to make up your mind for you. This is the most common. I don't know why. Probably because it's an effort or maybe because reading is a struggle. Who knows!
Point is is that Anderson put in a massive amount of research and quotes data from way, way back when. The book will, in time, be a very useful tool for anyone studying the history of the economy.
Assuming we have people left alive trying to figure out what went wrong!
Haven't read it, had heard of it and actually ordered it this arvo. I did quiz eppo about it a little while ago but forgot all about it until reading this thread and it prompted me.
I bought it on Epp's advice. Cost an arm and a leg!
It's a pretty hard slog but Andersen must have done thousands and thousands of hours research on it. Financial stuff is always a bit hard for me which probably explains why I never have any money!
The biggest lesson I took away from it other than the fact that speculation on real estate is the cause of the crashes was the fact that not only is the system so inherently flawed but the same degree of criticism can be applied to the corruption.
The banking system is close the root cause of all of our evils, can be demonstrated to be so and yet our economic system is accepted almost lock stock and barrel as being the only way there is.
Hey Eppo, what demographic do you see as being the buyers in this upcoming housing boom?
Public being denied information on the housing market ...
thenewdaily.com.au/finance/property/2020/06/19/reserve-bank-property-market/
another local one with a fair price drop
www.realestate.com.au/property/106-monterey-keys-dr-helensvale-qld-4212
Select to expand quoteok said..
Can i get a summary ? Do i spend or do i keep saving or do i buy a fishing boat
You wait a month or so then buy some poor unfortunates' tricked out fishing boat at a bargain desperation sale price.
