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For the many that windsurf and surf / sup just some evidence that shadows do exist
There is some footage of crew trying to re swim it and it dead on the beach dead ,,,,,,,,,,if you find it post it here will you
Really? Funny that, given that the ocean is their home.
And the pommie ****s comment re: the things you see when you don't have your gun!! What a f*ck knuckle. I'd prefer coro's minus the euro's and let the sharks be.
Whos ute and back yard is it in ,
Go guntree .........Shark jaws ........wont be long before it appears
Found this for yas
www.gwn7.com.au/news/
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Chocked on a seal, seams rather fishy to me
Sew it seams. 
Chocked until it burst at the seams.
That can happen in the seals are defective. 
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Chocked on a seal, seams rather fishy to me
Sew it seams.
Chocked until it burst at the seams.
That can happen in the seals are defective.
Ive gotta give you something to bite
Once again the body was dumped, even though a formal request was made by UWA for the caracas for more studies. Why would they not allow any testing to be completed
It would have even saved them money as it would have been collected
The truth is we need to learn more about these sharks, why would we just bury it at the tip
For once I agree with you bjhack.
I hope that doesn't mean I'm losing my saniitary.
I would have liked to know why it coughed up the supposed seal remains as it was carking it.
i would also like to know what else was in it's stomach. A tourist maybe?
Maybe they had already had an encounter with it and had tagged it and thrown it back in knowing it was probably going to cark it.
Who nose?
Since it was already dead there was no reason not to let others look at it for science purposes.
All a bit strange really.
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-17/great-white-shark-probably-choked-on-a-sea-lion2c-authorities-/5604410
Tagged in SA, avoided 37 drum lines off Perth, only to be done in choking on a seal.
I don't believe the shark choked I'm pretty sure it doesn't take three days to choke on a seal. A more rational or perhaps reasonable explanation would be the shark died after being tagged and kept out of the water, stressed, muscle damage, dehydration. Having to swim with a tag which transmits radio frequency would also be a possible cause. The fact the shark was dumped prior to research, with no autopsy carried out makes it quite suspicious. If fisheries were more transparent and honest with the public there would be less tension about these activities. The fact the shark swam in the shallows at a popular swimming beach for three days without intervention is enough cause for concern.
But research scientists did take samples - there must have been at least a partial autopsy. It's only jbs saying it was buried with no autopsy. And the shark was tagged in SA - I doubt that would have resulted in it dying six months later in the mid-west.
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-17/great-white-shark-probably-choked-on-a-sea-lion2c-authorities-/5604410
The Department of Fisheries says research scientists have found the shark had no visible signs of injury or disease, but had a large Australian sea lion stuck inside its throat.The department's principal research scientist Dr Rory McAuley said the shark may have been thrashing around in waters trying to dislodge the blockage.
"This could explain why the shark was exhibiting such unusual behaviour in shallow waters off Coronation Beach," he said in a statement."Such a large object may have damaged the shark's internal organs or impeded water flow into his gills, contributing to his death."Alternatively, the shark may have accidentally become stranded in his attempts to get rid of the obstruction."
The department has also confirmed that the shark was tagged in South Australia in January this year.Dr McAuley says tissue and vertebral samples were taken for future genetic, age and growth, ecological and population assessment studies."This information will be useful in improving our understanding about white sharks," he said.
Maybe it came into the shallows hoping that humans could help...by sticking an arm (someone else's - not mine) down the shark's throat to dislodge the object. Animals have shown this sort of behavior in the past.
SO much could have been learnt and to what length would that knowledge be used, To help raise options for better beach safety..It just is plain stupid, politics at best IMHO Thats all I'm and many other are asking
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For once I agree with you bjhack.
I hope that doesn't mean I'm losing my saniitary.
I would have liked to know why it coughed up the supposed seal remains as it was carking it.
i would also like to know what else was in it's stomach. A tourist maybe?
Maybe they had already had an encounter with it and had tagged it and thrown it back in knowing it was probably going to cark it.
Who nose?
Since it was already dead there was no reason not to let others look at it for science purposes.
All a bit strange really.
Sorry just had to get of the floor
Really, what could they learn or do with a dead shark that will improve beach safety? Serious question.
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Really, what could they learn or do with a dead shark that will improve beach safety? Serious question.
Well for starters they could use the eyes to determine what they can actually see? Their is still lots of speculation as to wether a great white and can see colour or only black and white. Im not a marine biologist but the stuff that they are saying they could test for is limitless.
Remember also that fisheries beg for fish frames to be donated for their science efforts. Well this would have to trump a Snapper fish frame for anyone with marine biology experience any day..
Nearly every scientist i have heard from especially in Aus all say the hardest, number one problem they face is lack of sharks to test on, be it dead or alive
But again Thinky, why not let test it..
This is a very early screen shot from yesterday. Ryan is the head of UWA Shark research devision. Its just an example of the many comments posted. He was answering to the legality of being in possession of a Dead Endangered animal laws.
SO much could have been learnt and to what length would that knowledge be used, To help raise options for better beach safety..It just is plain stupid, politics at best IMHO Thats all I'm and many other are asking
This footage is of a dissection that a friend was involved with. For the record this shark was 3.8 meters long and was found with 6 seals in his belly. Again asking how did a similar sized shark in WA chock on a one seal
Also a side not the same guy spends months of the year at Dire Island helping study Great whites. He also spent nearly every day out on a Boat of WA following fisheries and documenting their actions. My point is that not all the activist you have seen are un educated in the field. For the record he is one of the less qualified..
Agreed.
Should have gone straight from the beach to refrigeration, samples or whatever fisheries want taken and then remains given to someone suitably qualified to carry out as much research as possible.
What has happened is farkin so stupid.
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SO much could have been learnt and to what length would that knowledge be used, To help raise options for better beach safety..It just is plain stupid, politics at best IMHO
Lets face it, why be so fast to dump and run Thats all I'm and many other are asking
I would really like to disagree with this because bjhack said it,.. but I have to agree.
I just can't see any valid reason why they didn't simply say to the first university that phoned up, "Fine,.. come and pick it up,.. It's all yours."
Better still, they should have an agreement in place which allows a university to automatically have rights to any dead specimens.
Why not?
It's not as if they are going to sell it for fish and chips.
+1
I also agree with jb - information about any species is gained from donating dead specimens to science/schools, or in this case - completing an autopsy to confirm the cause of death, especially as it was a rare occurance for a GW to simply beach itself & die.
Holly crap, whats happening
I'll push my luck a bit more.
Why also then wasn't any of the dead sharks caught in the drum line not turned over to anyone for science purposes Once again they were screaming for them and we could have learnt a lot more about a species that is Obviously in high numbers of our coast. Especially as Fisheries themselves said they and no idea of the numbers around. We could have once again helped local scientists, by giving them something to study, helped by giving them an option to learn and hone their skills at dissecting a large shark, and even saved some money by not having to drive 8 plus miles out to sea to dump there bodies
Ill give up their
I also agree with that JB.
If it can be used for research instead of just going to waste i am all for it.
Geez even put the jaws or teeth up for public auction and put ALL funds raised towards further research and or development. (Not sure how that would go down but)
Can't beleive i've agreed with you twice. In one day! Unheard of.
Okay, so suppose they take the eyes to try and figure out what a shark can see. Then what? Suppose they only see in black and white, what happens next that will make water users safer?
And seriously, there have been sharks killed regularly enough on the east coast's drums and nets, along with South Africa's to supply the scientific research market. They all supposedly are doing the science. There is not a shortage of scientific shark fodder to warrant this much hoo ha over one shark not making it to the UWA autopsy table. There just isn't.
This is about everyone thinking Fisheries is doing something dodgy.
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Okay, so suppose they take the eyes to try and figure out what a shark can see. Then what? Suppose they only see in black and white, what happens next that will make water users safer?
And seriously, there have been sharks killed regularly enough on the east coast's drums and nets, along with South Africa's to supply the scientific research market. They all supposedly are doing the science. There is not a shortage of scientific shark fodder to warrant this much hoo ha over one shark not making it to the UWA autopsy table. There just isn't.
This is about everyone thinking Fisheries is doing something dodgy.
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck
You still haven't answered why not give the body to local science. At worst they would do a autopsy and we would then find out what really killed the shark
I guess by your argument Thinky, why do the government give the same university (UWA) hundreds of thousands of dollars to study sharks, and then refuse to give them a dead one to actually study
Really its not brain science we are dealing with
I'm not saying I don't think they should have had the shark to autopsy. Maybe Fisheries are just sick of all the crap and didn't want to give the UWA anti-cull lobby what they wanted. Just for the badness of it. I don't know. Neither do you.
How many sharks have been autopsied for research? Plenty I imagine in South Africa, after watching the expertise taking place dissecting that one in your video - that operator knew exactly how to make sure that liver dropped perfectly into the tub.Practice makes perfect, you can tell. And what did they say at the end. "Blood samples MAY shine a light on why that shark died" or words to that effect. Which is similar to what Fisheries came up with hey? The white MAY have choked on a seal. I'd say it probably did, given the seal was in its throat, not in its gut.
Maybe the seal had a spear in it and they didn't want to even go there...
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I'm not saying I don't think they should have had the shark to autopsy. Maybe Fisheries are just sick of all the crap and didn't want to give the UWA anti-cull lobby what they wanted. Just for the badness of it. I don't know. Neither do you.
How many sharks have been autopsied for research? Plenty I imagine in South Africa, after watching the expertise taking place dissecting that one in your video - that operator knew exactly how to make sure that liver dropped perfectly into the tub.Practice makes perfect, you can tell. And what did they say at the end. "Blood samples MAY shine a light on why that shark died" or words to that effect. Which is similar to what Fisheries came up with hey? The white MAY have choked on a seal. I'd say it probably did, given the seal was in its throat, not in its gut.
Maybe the seal had a spear in it and they didn't want to even go there...
So out of spite you think fisheries didn't pass on the body, to a group that actually supports them? UWA are very much on fisheries side because they get so much funding. Your right over seas many people have obviously cut up sharks, but we don't listen to any of the over seas scientists so why would we then let them do all the work
The seal parts in the sharks throat is MOST LIKELY there due to the shark purging its stomach once near death. I even learnt today that a Great White can purge its annus..
Hell Barnet wants to kill great whites, he tried and didn't manage it so maybe he should have at least found out what killed this one, if he is that serous he could have learnt something
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I'm not saying I don't think they should have had the shark to autopsy. Maybe Fisheries are just sick of all the crap and didn't want to give the UWA anti-cull lobby what they wanted. Just for the badness of it. I don't know. Neither do you.
How many sharks have been autopsied for research? Plenty I imagine in South Africa, after watching the expertise taking place dissecting that one in your video - that operator knew exactly how to make sure that liver dropped perfectly into the tub.Practice makes perfect, you can tell. And what did they say at the end. "Blood samples MAY shine a light on why that shark died" or words to that effect. Which is similar to what Fisheries came up with hey? The white MAY have choked on a seal. I'd say it probably did, given the seal was in its throat, not in its gut.
Maybe the seal had a spear in it and they didn't want to even go there...
Could be onto something here. Remember......
jbshack
i don't really even have an issue if say we were talking about culling seals
Could it be JB speared the seal, which was then eaten by the GW which lead to it's demise???
Ohhh the irony!!!!!!
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Hell Barnet wants to kill great whites, he tried and didn't manage it so maybe he should have at least found out what killed this one, if he is that serous he could have learnt something
Awww bj,.. It looks like your 15 minutes of fame has run out.
You were doing so well today and I was about to give you another green thumb,... but I had to mark you down due to this last silly and grossly incorrect statement.
Sooo,.. it's back to the red thumbs, sorry.
Very few WANT to kill sharks, they just feel they have to for safety reasons.
If the sharks stop eating people then we will stop removing them.
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Hell Barnet wants to kill great whites, he tried and didn't manage it so maybe he should have at least found out what killed this one, if he is that serous he could have learnt something
Awww bj,.. It looks like your 15 minutes of fame has run out.
You were doing so well today and I was about to give you another green thumb,... but I had to mark you down due to this last silly and grossly incorrect statement.
Sooo,.. it's back to the red thumbs, sorry.
Very few WANT to kill sharks, they just feel they have to for safety reasons.
If the sharks stop eating people then we will stop removing them.
Oh hang on, I've got it wrong, then.. Just so you can explain to me then what the drum lines are for If there not to kill sharks
