Select to expand quotehilly said..TonyAbbott said..
Ultimately, the global warming alarmists have another agenda.
They say that we are facing an apocalyptic event, an extinction level event. They argue that sovereign nation governments can not deal with their fabricated emergency, only global government. They argue that big rich countries are the reason small island nations are sinking (which are mostly growing in size). Only a global power can force these rich countries to hand over all their wealth. And with this wealth, this global power will flick the switch on the climate, they will create a global climate utopia that will never change. They will stop cyclones, floods, droughts etc.
This is why the global Marxist have gone all in on this climate alarmism. This is why leftist councils, and only leftist councils, are declaring climate emergencies all over the world.
It will start with a global tax, they will call it a global climate fund. This global tax office will then want to control how we can produce power and what natural resources we can take out of the ground. If we do not comply, they will take more tax or give us less of it back. We will lose our independence and our ability to be prosperous. We become more reliant on this global power for our welfare.
This process has already started
Some of the people here on this site pushing the climate alarmism are devout Marxist socialist. Their real agenda needs to questioned.
We all care about the environment. Everyone knows the climate is changing. Yet, if you question the leftist strategy to deal with it you are declared a heretic by them. Some even say these heretic should be jailed or even worse.
Who are "They"? Names please.
I named Marxists
They is much of the United Nations, they seem to be the ones that want to take over our natural resources management and energy policy. And they want us to pay them to do so.
Locally, they are the Marxists that have marched through our institutions. You will find them in universities and schools everywhere. You will find them in the media and in all parts of public life.
Politically, Greens are the obvious home for Marxists, also the many other parties with overt socialist names. Labor has some, Albo is an old socialists, though he claims to have eased his extreme views. Even liberal has some that may not consider themselves Marxists but still want to hand over policy making to the UN, Turnbull was the obvious one, but I'm sure he had followers that still remain.
Turnballs motivation was personal greed, he still stands to make $100 million plus if he could get his globalist policies up.
I guess the point to take away from the turnball example is that not all followers of climate change extremist are Marxists socialists. But they are being used by them to push their globalist big government agenda
So if all countries acted responsibly and concentrated on getting their emissions down, that would take away the Marxists ammunition. Or are you in Peter Mac's camp, saying that all scientists are part of a giant conspiracy.
I never said that decrepit.
It it is the ones at the very top that formulate policy and 'facts'.
And 16 inches in two decades would be easily debunked by observation.
According to Wikipedia it is 3 inches in two decades.
Even at that claimed level of rise - basic observation tells us it is a lie,at least for those a bit older.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
Peter, I wasn't replying to you, my last post was aimed at that Abbot bloke.
And who said anything about 16 inches in two decades? IF you read the quote correctly it's saying it will be 16 inches in the next century.
And unless you're somewhere with zero tidal action you're not going to notice 8inches in a century!
@tonyabbott
you really have fallen for the propaganda sent out to you by the fossil fuel lobby. they must see you as someone who can be persuaded to act as their spokesperson.
There are quite a few social democratic parties governing countries doing very well. eg Norway. They have higher taxes on the oil extraction to use for as a future fund. Australian politicians have been paid/funded to not do this.
Maybe Australia could tax the coal, gas and oil extraction higher to use for the better good of the country? This would help when supplies run low or to counter effects from climate change.
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..hilly said..TonyAbbott said..
Ultimately, the global warming alarmists have another agenda.
They say that we are facing an apocalyptic event, an extinction level event. They argue that sovereign nation governments can not deal with their fabricated emergency, only global government. They argue that big rich countries are the reason small island nations are sinking (which are mostly growing in size). Only a global power can force these rich countries to hand over all their wealth. And with this wealth, this global power will flick the switch on the climate, they will create a global climate utopia that will never change. They will stop cyclones, floods, droughts etc.
This is why the global Marxist have gone all in on this climate alarmism. This is why leftist councils, and only leftist councils, are declaring climate emergencies all over the world.
It will start with a global tax, they will call it a global climate fund. This global tax office will then want to control how we can produce power and what natural resources we can take out of the ground. If we do not comply, they will take more tax or give us less of it back. We will lose our independence and our ability to be prosperous. We become more reliant on this global power for our welfare.
This process has already started
Some of the people here on this site pushing the climate alarmism are devout Marxist socialist. Their real agenda needs to questioned.
We all care about the environment. Everyone knows the climate is changing. Yet, if you question the leftist strategy to deal with it you are declared a heretic by them. Some even say these heretic should be jailed or even worse.
Who are "They"? Names please.
I named Marxists
They is much of the United Nations, they seem to be the ones that want to take over our natural resources management and energy policy. And they want us to pay them to do so.
Locally, they are the Marxists that have marched through our institutions. You will find them in universities and schools everywhere. You will find them in the media and in all parts of public life.
Politically, Greens are the obvious home for Marxists, also the many other parties with overt socialist names. Labor has some, Albo is an old socialists, though he claims to have eased his extreme views. Even liberal has some that may not consider themselves Marxists but still want to hand over policy making to the UN, Turnbull was the obvious one, but I'm sure he had followers that still remain.
Turnballs motivation was personal greed, he still stands to make $100 million plus if he could get his globalist policies up.
I guess the point to take away from the turnball example is that not all followers of climate change extremist are Marxists socialists. But they are being used by them to push their globalist big government agenda
Please just want a name of one who is pulling strings now. Turncoat has gone, Albo is in opposition. Who should we be worried about now? Not the Greens surely. I want a name of people at the top of this
Select to expand quotehilly said..TonyAbbott said..hilly said..TonyAbbott said..
Ultimately, the global warming alarmists have another agenda.
They say that we are facing an apocalyptic event, an extinction level event. They argue that sovereign nation governments can not deal with their fabricated emergency, only global government. They argue that big rich countries are the reason small island nations are sinking (which are mostly growing in size). Only a global power can force these rich countries to hand over all their wealth. And with this wealth, this global power will flick the switch on the climate, they will create a global climate utopia that will never change. They will stop cyclones, floods, droughts etc.
This is why the global Marxist have gone all in on this climate alarmism. This is why leftist councils, and only leftist councils, are declaring climate emergencies all over the world.
It will start with a global tax, they will call it a global climate fund. This global tax office will then want to control how we can produce power and what natural resources we can take out of the ground. If we do not comply, they will take more tax or give us less of it back. We will lose our independence and our ability to be prosperous. We become more reliant on this global power for our welfare.
This process has already started
Some of the people here on this site pushing the climate alarmism are devout Marxist socialist. Their real agenda needs to questioned.
We all care about the environment. Everyone knows the climate is changing. Yet, if you question the leftist strategy to deal with it you are declared a heretic by them. Some even say these heretic should be jailed or even worse.
Who are "They"? Names please.
I named Marxists
They is much of the United Nations, they seem to be the ones that want to take over our natural resources management and energy policy. And they want us to pay them to do so.
Locally, they are the Marxists that have marched through our institutions. You will find them in universities and schools everywhere. You will find them in the media and in all parts of public life.
Politically, Greens are the obvious home for Marxists, also the many other parties with overt socialist names. Labor has some, Albo is an old socialists, though he claims to have eased his extreme views. Even liberal has some that may not consider themselves Marxists but still want to hand over policy making to the UN, Turnbull was the obvious one, but I'm sure he had followers that still remain.
Turnballs motivation was personal greed, he still stands to make $100 million plus if he could get his globalist policies up.
I guess the point to take away from the turnball example is that not all followers of climate change extremist are Marxists socialists. But they are being used by them to push their globalist big government agenda
Please just want a name of one who is pulling strings now. Turncoat has gone, Albo is in opposition. Who should we be worried about now? Not the Greens surely. I want a name of people at the top of this
Lots of people, not one single person.
There is no one Dr Evil.
We should worry about the greens
www.smh.com.au/national/brown-advocates-for-one-world-parliament-20110629-1gqz1.html
@tonyabbott
that link was to a 2011 article regarding bob brown?
ok here is one from your leader from 2012
"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." Donald Trump 2012 twitter
Select to expand quotedecrepit said..Global sea level rose about 8 inches in the last century. The rate in the last two decades, however, is nearly double that of the last century and is accelerating slightly every year.10 Image: Republic of Maldives: Vulnerable to sea level rise
It certainly reads to me as the rate in the last two decades is double the 8 inches. Very misleading to say the least.
As to your contention that we would not notice a 8 inch rise anyway due to the tides - sorry but that is a laughable,pathetic and lame excuse
What causes the tides on this flat earth, Pete?
Genuinely curious. What's the explanation in your science?
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..
What causes the tides on this flat earth, Pete?
Genuinely curious. What's the explanation in your science?
Good point! We can just turn off those tide generators, or just wind them back a little bit. Similarly, with global warming, we can just wind back the rheostats on the suns and we have the problem solved!
See, its all a conspiracy! 
Select to expand quotepetermac33 said..>>As to your contention that we would not notice a 8 inch rise anyway due to the tides - sorry but that is a laughable,pathetic and lame excuse
So you've been around for the last century, carefully documenting sealevel?????
With tidal variations in Perth around the 1m mark and varying all over the place with +ve and -ve storm surge, you'd be battling to see 8 inches in a year let alone a century.
I'm sure more women than men would notice the 8 inch rise but I could be wrong.
On a land at or just above sea level - a 8 inch increase in sea level will lead to a submersion of water in coastal land.
Their data due to trust possibly seems to count more than observation for most these days.
Science is no longer verifiable by observation. At least that's what the members of the cult / climate change BS believe.
Select to expand quoteDelFuego said..
"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." Donald Trump 2012 twitter
I've been talking about this for the last 5 years though I disagree it's the Chinese that are the ones pushing this.
They tax the biggest 500 companies in Oz with the highest carbon tax in the world do they not?
We have already lost the car industry with only minimal protest. Many would rather concentrate on nonsense like this thread than protest a real outrage like the loss of our car industry.
Select to expand quotepetermac33 said..
I'm sure more women than men would notice the 8 inch rise but I could be wrong.
On a land at or just above sea level - a 8 inch increase in sea level will lead to a submersion of water in coastal land.
Their data due to trust possibly seems to count more than observation for most these days.
Science is no longer verifiable by observation. At least that's what the members of the cult / climate change BS believe.
Science is based on verified observations, that's what science is!!!!!
It's your lack of logic that can't interpret the results of those observations that's the problem.
You would notice a 8 inch rise in sea level in coastal land that is low lying.
I therefore rest my case based on observation and observation alone.
Absolute rubbish Peter, land that is that low lying would get flooded every time there's a storm during high tide.
Haven't you seen River side drive flooded during a big storm, that's a rise of more than 8 inches. It's probably been happening more frequently over the years, but you'd need to have been watching for the whole century, and taking accurate observations, to see it.
Select to expand quoteDelFuego said..
@tonyabbott
that link was to a 2011 article regarding bob brown?
ok here is one from your leader from 2012
"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." Donald Trump 2012 twitter
That quote is almost right.
No sure it was created by an for the Chinese though.
I am not sure who created it.
But it is being used to try and bring down prosperous capitalist industrial nations. And prop up Marxists countries such as China among many other countries that haven't fully industrialised.
The US did not sign the Kyoto agreement because it was just an exercise in wealth redistribution from the US to Russia.
Do people know how they measured the sea level before satellites?
Do people know what relative sea level rise is?
Presumably from tide gauges. Fort Denison in Sydney Harbour has been hard at work for ~130 years.
www.ausmarinescience.com/marine-science-basics/sea-level-rise-1/
Read this link to debunk the absolute crap you're being fed decrepit.
With just a 10 foot increase the consequences in the U.S would be devastating.
Yet you maintain we've had a 8 foot rise with no similar observable evidence to the above?
www.climatecentral.org/news/us-with-10-feet-of-sea-level-rise-17428
Select to expand quoteDelFuego said..
@tonyabbott
you really have fallen for the propaganda sent out to you by the fossil fuel lobby. they must see you as someone who can be persuaded to act as their spokesperson.
There are quite a few social democratic parties governing countries doing very well. eg Norway. They have higher taxes on the oil extraction to use for as a future fund. Australian politicians have been paid/funded to not do this.
Maybe Australia could tax the coal, gas and oil extraction higher to use for the better good of the country? This would help when supplies run low or to counter effects from climate change.
It's been shown if the Australian government tried to set up a sovereign wealth fund like the Norwegian government did with their oil taxes, the Australian Government would have to do the following.
Firstly allow a great increase in the amount of coal mined and exported from Australia.
Secondly set up a State organisation that both mines coal itself and also helps both foreign and local coal miners to dig up more coal.
This seems a bit contradictory in that similar people put up the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund as a good thing also say mining and burning coal is a bad thing.
Select to expand quotepetermac33 said..
Read this link to debunk the absolute crap you're being fed decrepit.
With just a 10 foot increase the consequences in the U.S would be devastating.
Yet you maintain we've had a 8 foot rise with no similar observable evidence to the above?
www.climatecentral.org/news/us-with-10-feet-of-sea-level-rise-17428
More like the junk your being fed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The quote I posted was inches not feet, can you even tell the difference. Do you need a lesson in imperial units of length?
Select to expand quoteMobydisc said..DelFuego said..
@tonyabbott
you really have fallen for the propaganda sent out to you by the fossil fuel lobby. they must see you as someone who can be persuaded to act as their spokesperson.
There are quite a few social democratic parties governing countries doing very well. eg Norway. They have higher taxes on the oil extraction to use for as a future fund. Australian politicians have been paid/funded to not do this.
Maybe Australia could tax the coal, gas and oil extraction higher to use for the better good of the country? This would help when supplies run low or to counter effects from climate change.
It's been shown if the Australian government tried to set up a sovereign wealth fund like the Norwegian government did with their oil taxes, the Australian Government would have to do the following.
Firstly allow a great increase in the amount of coal mined and exported from Australia.
Secondly set up a State organisation that both mines coal itself and also helps both foreign and local coal miners to dig up more coal.
This seems a bit contradictory in that similar people put up the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund as a good thing also say mining and burning coal is a bad thing.
why complicate matters, just increase royalties on the oil, coal and gas extraction, maybe exemptions for local power supply.
They are making so much profit from the extraction of these resources they still would keep price the same and kill the pig.
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..
Presumably from tide gauges. Fort Denison in Sydney Harbour has been hard at work for ~130 years.
www.ausmarinescience.com/marine-science-basics/sea-level-rise-1/
Does the Fort Denison measure relative sea level rise or absolute sea level rise?
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
Do people know how they measured the sea level before satellites?
Do people know what relative sea level rise is?
I do.
It's a technical term used by dumb arse conservatives to try to muddy the water. It's up there with urban heat island and volcanoes and the vast amount of CO2 they emit.
Conservatives are just liars.
