Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
Was just watching 7pm ABC Sydney News online.
Here's today's Covid deaths in NSW.
78.3% of the population are vaccinated.
Is this just a general update for everyone or is there some comment on this you wanted to add?
Question you wanted to ask to understand this?
So on that tiny sample space - even the very basics of statistical treatment, an extremely crude sample space is 30 - so below that. You could infer that the being vaccinated has little effect on stopping death.
let's say 80 percent vaxed, 20 percent unvaxed died.
But as I said the sample space is stupidly small. Click bait once again.
again what were the comorbidity factors of those vaxed and unvaxed in the sample group.
it's a lot more complex than childish stats above.
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Didn't Victoria's vaccine commander yesterday mention over 70% hospital or ICU patients (cant remember which) are unvaccinated?
Carry on....
Select to expand quoteIFocus said..
Didn't Victoria's vaccine commander yesterday mention over 70% hospital or ICU patients (cant remember which) are unvaccinated?
Carry on....
Define "unvaccinated"...?
If "fully" vaccinated in Israel is two shots and two boosters, then two shots and one boosters is not fully vaccinated therefore goes in the unvaccinated category...
Perhaps Australia is less strict with it's definitions...
And I'm curious what the raw numbers actually are. With high vaccination rates and natural immunity... There has to be a limit to how many unvaccinated can be put into hospital.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
I sprained my ankle yesterday morning how long does it take to recover?
If you are vaxed, it will heal in a few weeks,
If your an antivaxer, you will be dead in a week, unless you inject bleach, drink iodine and take horse wormer.
If they are all bad you should still ignore them.
leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2021/12/fact-check-hospitalizations-mortality-were-not-cut-in-half-after-brazilian-city-offered-ivermectin-to-everyone-before-covid-vaccines.html
Remember when you were all hating on big pharma? If Merck had an existing drug that was a cure for covid they would be shouting it from the rooftops and flogging billions of doses.
So I haven't been following the Novak case today, too busy...but.....
It is reported the Government's argument is that he may attract and promote anti-vax sentiment.
Seems an odd position from the Government after a week of deliberation. Pretty sure they will lose with that argument as Novak is here to play tennis, not give lectures on anti-vax issues. If a principle is set about what other people might do in your name then we are all pretty well stuffed. We can't control what other people use our names for.
If Novak was actively promoting civil disobedience via interviews or giving lectures to fringe groups or something then I get the Government's point but he isn't....he is playing tennis, So I am pretty sure a judge would say that Novak cannot be held accountable for others actions when he does nothing to promote those actions.
Seems weird the Government's position isn't simply one of the basic rule... you have to be vaxxed to enter, or there has to be a valid medical exemption why you can't be vaxxed. Argument would be that the rule isn't that an exemption exists simply because you aren't vaxxed, but only exists if you can't be.
As far as we are aware Novak is only saying he had covid therefore doesn't need to be vaxxed. But 'doesn't need to be' and 'can't' are not the same thing, Any time Novak didn't have covid he could have been vaxxed. He could get vaxxed today, no medical reason why not.
You'd think the Government position would be that he isn't vaxxed not because he can't be for a medical reason but that he has actively managed the situation to not be vaxxed because he doesn't want to be. Having covid meant he couldn't get the jab for a week, but he is a pro tennis player who would always have had the intention of playing in Australia, in a potentially record breaking grand slam, thus could have got vaxxed any other time.
The Government position is then consistent with the original decision and consistent with everything else. It would also put the onus on Novak to prove he can't be vaxxed ever, not just last week when he had covid. The judge then has a simple task to decide if Novak followed the rule or not. Case isn't about whether the rule is right or fair or reasonable, just about whether Novak followed it.
By saying his actions might incite others you are leaving the judge to decide on what might and might not be and how liable Novak is for the actions of others. Can't see that position winning for the Government.
But we'll see very soon...
....and the government will never win with 'he is a covid risk to the community' as clearly one person entering a state that already has 50,000 cases a day isn't a threat.
Yep, OK, so reading the ABC blog on the case :
Djokovic's defence team argues that the Minister failed to consider whether deporting Novak Djokovic would also have an impact on anti-vaccine sentiment in Australia, and thus his decision was illogical, irrational or unreasonable.
They also have told the court the Minister misrepresented media reports in order to over-egg the tennis star's views on vaccines and the level of support he receives from anti-vaxxers.
They argue there isn't enough evidence to find Djokovic's mere presence playing tennis in Australia would excite anti-vaccine sentiment, which was a conclusion reached by the Immigration Minister.
The Minister's lawyer has been arguing against the suggestion that the minister did not consider that deporting Djokovic could foster anti-vax sentiment, in the same way allowing him to stay could.
Stephen Lloyd says the minister was aware there were "consequences each way" but he didn't have to go into all of that in his written reasons.
Mr Lloyd has also said there was enough evidence to draw a conclusion about Djokovic's beliefs, given he is not vaccinated and has had ample chance to change that.
Surely that last bit is the only argument they should have made ?
If the Government's only real argument that his presence may incite... and his lawyer's argument that his deportation is likely to similarly incite ..
Then wanna take a 5 bitcoin bet ? I'm saying government will lose....
3...2...1...
OK, ummmm I was wrong. I stand corrected.
See-ya later Novax.
I guess maybe the 'opinion of the minister' can be his opinion and can be right or wrong. Law says his opinion is final and so nobody else's opinion really matters. What might or might not be is only relevant within the Minister's opinion and not within anyone's opinion, so it is irrelevant what might or might not reasonably occur, if the minister's opinion doesn't have to legally be reasonable, only has to be his opinion.
Dunno, have to wait a while for hear the judges reasoning.
I think they are deporting him......... to WA
They should do the same with all the antivaxers.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
I think they are deporting him......... to WA
Nah, not even Dutton would be that nasty.
Hell, not even Darth Vader, the most evil henchman of the most evil tyrant in the universe, would impose that on somebody.
Yeah when Novak heard he was gunna be deported to WA,
he rolled up his sleeve real quick.
Love how the media say :
Federal Court judges ruled in favour of the government's decision to cancel his visa
www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-visa-saga-live-tennis-star-back-before-court-ahead-of-2022-australian-open-20220116-p59oje.html
They didn't rule in favour of the Government's cancellation of his visa, or agree with the government's cancellation or even say that his visa should be cancelled..
They dismissed Novak's appeal against the decision to cancel his visa. They didn't rule the decision to cancel was right, just that Novak's appeal against it wasn't right.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
Yeah when Novak heard he was gunna be deported to WA,
he rolled up his sleeve real quick.
Not even 2022 can get into WA.
English cricket team should probably be deported as well for inciting deep embarrassment in all poms, and also breaching their visas, which were granted for the playing of professional sport.
Mind you loto, if you saw me yesterday you'd probably deport me for crimes against bottom turns.
I'm worried about my two Jack Russeles getting Covid and spreading it to my family. I don't trust the government or the doctors.
What Seabreeze research is available on getting them vaxxed.
I'm worried as I don't want my dogs getting chest issues. But don't want to catch Covid from them.
One dog is 8 yo
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..
I'm worried about my two Jack Russeles getting Covid and spreading it to my family. I don't trust the government or the doctors.
What Seabreeze research is available on getting them vaxxed.
I'm worried as I don't want my dogs getting chest issues. But don't want to catch Covid from them.
One dog is 8 yo
You dont need a scary needle for them, just give them some sun light, thats the magic cure.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..
I'm worried about my two Jack Russeles getting Covid and spreading it to my family.
That's a reasonable fear to have with new dog breeds, but rest assured, here is little chance your Jack Russeles will pass on covid, pretty much have the same risk as Jack Russells.Select to expand quoteI don't trust the government or the doctors that are threatened with losing their licence to practice if they speak their minds on the government response to covid.
That's a valid concern.Select to expand quoteWhat Seabreeze research is available on getting them vaxxed.
I don't think the owners of Seabreeze are currently researching experimental treatments. Try using your skills in researching bitcoin to find the answers.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
Are racist comments like this allowed on Seabreeze?
Well, it's pretty clear it's not being moderated.
If it was you and your dickie heart anti vaxers would have been shut down weeks ago.
Three cheers for Australia leading the world. Sending the anti vax wog home.
Hahahaha
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..myscreenname said...
Great news about the wog being booted! Good riddance. Australia leading the world again.
Are racist comments like this allowed on Seabreeze?
Should be reported ...but ..I'm a "wog" and have put with bogan racism like this for over 40 years . But to be honest just makes me laugh at bigots like that . The Aussie girls use to love the "wog" at school so it's an advantage to be a wog in my books
