Covid-19

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Flying Dutchman said..
Novax Djokovic getting deported on Thursday.
People around the World must think Aussies are nuts now that the Covid horse has bolted locally. This makes us look dumb.

Scomo doesn't care, he's trying to win an election.

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FormulaNova said..
This sort of stuff is good. Real accounts.

What's a bit odd about Paul's experience is that he doesn't mention what strain he got, maybe he doesn't know. Which doesn't surprise me as his partner had same symptoms, was positive, but tested negative.



They were tested when there were 2k cases per day in NSW and clearly health system wasn't coping then. Now there are 32K cases per day.

I hope everyone, including the unvaccinated, banging on this thread, get the mild version. Especially those in WA.

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Flying Dutchman said..
Awww you've included the unvaccinated... you're turning into a softy

I don't want to see our hospitals collapse because a minority of muttonheads refuse to follow national health advice.

60% of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

Health workers are the hero's in this. Those that refuse vaccinations, who spread false narratives on social media to advance their agenda are the problem.

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myscreenname said..
I don't want to see our hospitals collapse because a minority of muttonheads refuse to follow national health advice.

60% of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

Health workers are the hero's in this. Those that refuse vaccinations, who spread false narratives on social media to advance their agenda are the problem.

So an unvaxxed health worker is a muttonhead hero?

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Flying Dutchman said..

myscreenname said..
I don't want to see our hospitals collapse because a minority of muttonheads refuse to follow national health advice.

60% of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

Health workers are the hero's in this. Those that refuse vaccinations, who spread false narratives on social media to advance their agenda are the problem.

So an unvaxxed health worker is a muttonhead hero?

Yes he is. HERO

Specially if he is crying in the end of his shifts in WA (no Covid yet).

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theDoctor said..
rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-do-more-harm-than-good.html

Any wonder why Pfizer insisted on secrecy.

These guys prove irrefutably that not only do the inoculations actually do more harm but they do so utilising the Pfizer trial data.

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Paradox said..

The problem I have with all Government in Australia is that they had a plan for this. It was a sound plan based on solid data. It was thrown out in favour of popular opinion very early and from then on the whole thing has been driven by a government and media driven agenda of fear and response equals votes, not science.

The world health organisation spent a lot of time and money preparing a pandemic preparedness plan well before Covid.

Dr Astrid Stuckleberger played a prominent role in that project. She has been quite vociferous regarding the fact that the plan that they put together was completely ignored and effectively sunk under the carpet.

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myscreenname said..
60% of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

71.04% of the total UK population are fully vaccinated.

Source: coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/international


66.4% of hospitalisations in the UK are fully vaccinated.


Source: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron_severity_update.pdf


Can someone explain to me with these numbers where the media gets figures like, "The unvaccinated are 20 times more likely to be hospitalised?"

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Flying Dutchman said..
You're right myscreenname, I just realised my mistake & was going to edit it but you beat me to it. Thanks for correcting it.

So I stand corrected, the correct numbers are;

Unvaccinated in ICU is 0.0085%
Vaccinated in ICU is 0.00024%

Unvaccinated not in ICU is 99.9915%
Vaccinated not in ICU is 99.99976%

"Unvaccinated are 35 times more likely to end up in ICU than vaccinated - their choice"
Fair enough.

Yes its true, its all a conspiracy, Pfizer, WHO, all world Govs. and the Chinese are all in on the the plan of world domination.
Wake up, you are all sheep but I am now awake and can see the truth...........dead people and......the matrix


Maybe I shouldnt of taken the red and the blue pill .

The latest out of the USA, where all the magical cures come from,
is that no one who has worn a crystal around their neck on a chain has caught covid............
How long till we see a crystal shortage in Aust. lol

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Flying Dutchman said..

myscreenname said..
60% of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

71.04% of the total UK population are fully vaccinated.

Source: coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/international


66.4% of hospitalisations in the UK are fully vaccinated.


Source: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron_severity_update.pdf


Can someone explain to me with these numbers where the media gets figures like, "The unvaccinated are 20 times more likely to be hospitalised?"

Those are Omicron numbers in the UK. They are interesting and are just one set of figures, but they suggest that it may well be that vaccination is not that effective against Omicron for severe disease, and it's just that Omicron is not particularly bad regardless of vaccination status. Maybe Omicron has a few surprises for us yet. I don't think I have heard of a severe case in Australia from Omicron where there were not other health issues contributing. I could be wrong on that though.

I think the stats show that there is a significant reduction in hospitalisation risk from vaccination for Alpha and possibly Delta. However bear in mind that COVID stats are skewed to those at risk. ie in a particular demographic it is those with co-morbidities that have a high risk of severe disease. Vaccination tends to protect those people most and so many are removed from the hospitalisations counts once vaccinated. This brings the whole demographic's hospitalisation stats down, but it may not represent the real benefit to a healthy person.

A true analysis of the stats would seperate those with comorbidities and those that do not and compare the benefit of vaccination of those two cohorts. I strongly suspect that it would be found that vaccination makes a massive difference to those with comorbidities and a much less reduction of risk to those that are otherwise healthy.

We need to wait until the NSW hospitalisations are all Omicron as currently many are still Delta, although hard to know for sure. I do know that the unvaccinated hospitalisation % was dropping singificantly up to Dec.

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Flying Dutchman said..

Cheers Paradox!

Queensland will be one to keep an eye on. No Delta here, all Omicron.

Today there are 12 people in ICU, 44k official cases, no deaths. Thats 0.03% ICU on official numbers.

Now the real question is how many actual cases are there? People are lining up all over the place trying to get tested and can't, has been that way for more than a week. Many don't care if they have minor symptoms, many have no symptoms. Alpha estimates were 2-3x official to real numbers. Omicron is way more transmissable and rapid. Could be 10x? 50x? in QLD right now.... those are not out there figures.

Stat excercise on todays figures with 12 ICU cases:

Cases ICU Risk Death risk
44k 0.03% 0%
440k 0.003% 0%
2.2 mill 0.0005% 0%

Influenza mortality risk for the whole population is around 0.03%. Thats mortality not ICU numbers. Omicron seems to be less severe than the flu just on official case numbers.

As I said, this is all over but no one wants to stop the machine so we can get off.

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Paradox said..

I don't think I have heard of a severe case in Australia from Omicron where there were not other health issues contributing. I could be wrong on that though.

Yeah, I'd say it's the latter.

"Six people died from COVID in the latest reporting period including a man in his 20s from the ACT who had received two doses of a COVID vaccine and had no known underlying health conditions."

www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-06/nsw-records-34-994-covid-cases-and-six-deaths/100740744

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Flying Dutchman said..
What's the possibility his 2 vaccines contributed to his death?

Nah, not going there, very tragic for his family.... I'll leave that question to experts - like yourself.

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myscreenname said..

Paradox said..

I don't think I have heard of a severe case in Australia from Omicron where there were not other health issues contributing. I could be wrong on that though.

Yeah, I'd say it's the latter.

"Six people died from COVID in the latest reporting period including a man in his 20s from the ACT who had received two doses of a COVID vaccine and had no known underlying health conditions."

www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-06/nsw-records-34-994-covid-cases-and-six-deaths/100740744

Highly unusual and an severe outlier for sure. Double vaxxed young man.

There is no mention it was Omicron though. I am sure the media would have been all over it if that was mentioned.