Select to expand quoteD3 said..kiterboy said..D3 said..
For those who like to down play the risk this virus poses to the wider community.
In the past 6 months since that one bloke visited Bondi Junction and kicked off the Delta outbreak on the East Coast.
There has been 1300 Covid Caused Deaths (not just being asymptomatic and dying with it) from that single point of infection
That is a significant jump from our worst Influenza years (whole year not just 6 months).
No, it's not 'significant jump' at all.
It's bang on about average for a 6 monthly figure for deaths from influenza in Australia, for the years leading up to 2020.
Gonna ask you for your evidence again.
Didn't you say in an earlier post that the flu kills 4000 a year?
Edit: also, as I mentioned, in those years leading up to 2020 we had no pandemic controls, low vaccination rates and year round introduction of whatever flu strain felt like taking a run at the title for the year.
Skews the numbers a bit doesn't it.
I did further back in this thread.
How about you post proof to support your assertion of the 'significant jump'?
Select to expand quoteD3 said..Paradox said..D3 said..
For those who like to down play the risk this virus poses to the wider community.
In the past 6 months since that one bloke visited Bondi Junction and kicked off the Delta outbreak on the East Coast.
There has been 1300 Covid Caused Deaths (not just being asymptomatic and dying with it) from that single point of infection
That is a significant jump from our worst Influenza years (whole year not just 6 months).
This is especially significant due to:
-The generally much lower Flu vaccination rates during those years (large proportion of the population usually trust their immune systems and not think about who else they may infect)
- We had really strict infection control measures in place
- And the flu can usually enter the country year round from whatever overseas destination is currently experiencing a surge
Sure, in the future we're all hoping that this virus will have as little impact on society as the common cold.
But right now it is still a full on pandemic
I think you will find the questions are more about who has been effected and does COVID target a certain vulnerable section of the community or as you say, is it a significant risk to the wider community.
If you check your 1,300 deaths in Australia you will find the vast majority are over 70. I believe stats from the US showed 93% of deaths had on average 2.5 other co-morbidities. You will also find that in the US where the virus was present everywhere it raised the overall death rate by about 15%. It's actually not that big of an increase.
There is no doubt it is a pandemic and is serious, however it has never been all that serious for most of the population. It always should have been about ensuring the vulnerable are identified and protected and that hospitals could cope. Everything else actually has most likely cost more than saved and those costs will become evident over the next decade.
Can we agree that we shouldn't compare USA with Australia, not least because we did manage to keep covid under control for the majority of the past two years.
Making statements akin to 'it only kills the old and infirm' us extremely misleading and you come across as though 15% of the population is fair game because they're old.
And that's not even counting people who have complicated health status through no fault if their own.
Lots of people have these co-morbidities that mught otherwise not be an issue.
Apparently 2/3 of Australians are obese or overweight. Sure some could get that sorted over time, but right now they're at greater risk.
And then there are all those other quite common co-morbidities:-
Pregnancy
Previous or current smoker
Hear diseases
Lung disease
Kidney diseases
Liver diseases
So when state 'we need to protect the vulnerable', I totally agree. But we need to be clear as to just how many people in our society are actually at risk
But noone gave a crap about 'Protecting the vunerable TM' when they were dropping off to the tune of 4k a year in Aus, from the flu prior to 2020.
So why is it such a priority now that experimental treatments need to be mandated?
1 minute of googling later...
There are typically 2,500 deaths per year from influenza. 4,000 in 2019.
Sources:
www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/causes-death-australia/2019
www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/7610377A5BEB1D25CA25874B007D9DD2/$File/2019-Influenza-Season-Summary.pdf
That is without any lockdown or masks or people being particularly careful or ever even contemplating influenza for a moment.
In contrast we had radical health orders to adhere to, closed borders, working from home, everyone in masks and keeping a distance and washing their hands and stuff like crazy, etc. etc. (remember all that, no, really?), and we still had comparable deaths.
If this doesn't illustrate how much worse COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2 is, I can't help you. You just can't basic stuff. It's night and day.
Select to expand quoteD3 said..
Can we agree that we shouldn't compare USA with Australia, not least because we did manage to keep covid under control for the majority of the past two years.
Making statements akin to 'it only kills the old and infirm' us extremely misleading and you come across as though 15% of the population is fair game because they're old.
And that's not even counting people who have complicated health status through no fault if their own.
Lots of people have these co-morbidities that mught otherwise not be an issue.
Apparently 2/3 of Australians are obese or overweight. Sure some could get that sorted over time, but right now they're at greater risk.
And then there are all those other quite common co-morbidities:-
Pregnancy
Previous or current smoker
Hear diseases
Lung disease
Kidney diseases
Liver diseases
So when state 'we need to protect the vulnerable', I totally agree. But we need to be clear as to just how many people in our society are actually at risk
When looking at the effects of COVID you need to look at USA and UK because of the massive amount of data and it's commonality with Australia on demographics and healthcare.
Also, my comments were about identifying and protecting the vulnerable, not saying they are "fair game" that is an emotional strawman argument.
The main co-morbidites for death (rather than hospitalisation) are cancer, diabeties, cronic kidney disease or hypertension. The others just increases risk of hospitalisation. As I mentioned over 90% of deaths have on average 2.5 co-morbidities. This is not a large % of the population and is easily identified.
The point is that an otherwise healthy person under the age of 55 has the same chance of dying from covid as dying in an accident, it is not very high. This is not the risk profile that is being promoted.
No one is arguing that COVID is not a severe disease or risks are not involved, I am saying the risks are only high for a very small % of the population. What no one wants to balance that against is the cost of the lockdowns and restrictions on the whole population here in Australia compared to somewhere like Florida that did not take that approach.
The deaths that will occur because of people not getting routine cancer screening will be massive. There has been a huge increase in mental health issues, domestic violence, child abuse, alcohol and substance abuse, teenage suicides are up. The cost of kids not being at school for large periods has not been quantified.
The effect of the government responses has been horrific for kids, but no one wants to balance that with the risk to older and sick people. Thats not even assessing the long term economic effects. There is a clear correlation between the strength of economies and the health of communities.
It's not popular to balance one group of deaths and impacts against another, but that is what public response is supposed to do.
Good morning fellow Pro, Semi-Pro, Semi-Anti & Anti Covid Vaxxers,
Firstly I wish to publicly apologise to myscreenname for classifying him an 'Anti-Vaxxer' after he posted he was not taking any more jabs.
Covid 'Anti-Vaxxer' status is the most prestigious form of classification if you're under 65 & healthy. After careful review it has been decided that he is now eligible & will be classified in the new 2nd-tier category of 'Semi-Anti Vaxxer'.
The definition of the 'Semi-Anti Vaxxer' is one who is boosted but doesn't wish to continue getting jabbed after 3 jabs. Congratulations myscreenname for achieving this prestigious title.
Moving forward here are a few news tidbits for the last day of the year;
Exhibit A
mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1476697908045135872
Exhibit B
www.newsweek.com/netherlands-vaccination-booster-coronavirus-covid-shot-1664296?amp=1
Exhibit C
Robert Koch Institute report released yesterday states that 95.58% of the Omicron cases in Germany are fully vaccinated (28% of those had a "booster"), 4.42% are unvaccinated.
70% of the population in Germany are vaccinated.
Page 14 from Germany.
www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Wochenbericht/Wochenbericht_2021-12-30.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
Select to expand quoteParadox said..D3 said..
Can we agree that we shouldn't compare USA with Australia, not least because we did manage to keep covid under control for the majority of the past two years.
Making statements akin to 'it only kills the old and infirm' us extremely misleading and you come across as though 15% of the population is fair game because they're old.
And that's not even counting people who have complicated health status through no fault if their own.
Lots of people have these co-morbidities that mught otherwise not be an issue.
Apparently 2/3 of Australians are obese or overweight. Sure some could get that sorted over time, but right now they're at greater risk.
And then there are all those other quite common co-morbidities:-
Pregnancy
Previous or current smoker
Hear diseases
Lung disease
Kidney diseases
Liver diseases
So when state 'we need to protect the vulnerable', I totally agree. But we need to be clear as to just how many people in our society are actually at risk
When looking at the effects of COVID you need to look at USA and UK because of the massive amount of data and it's commonality with Australia on demographics and healthcare.
Also, my comments were about identifying and protecting the vulnerable, not saying they are "fair game" that is an emotional strawman argument.
The main co-morbidites for death (rather than hospitalisation) are cancer, diabeties, cronic kidney disease or hypertension. The others just increases risk of hospitalisation. As I mentioned over 90% of deaths have on average 2.5 co-morbidities. This is not a large % of the population and is easily identified.
The point is that an otherwise healthy person under the age of 55 has the same chance of dying from covid as dying in an accident, it is not very high. This is not the risk profile that is being promoted.
No one is arguing that COVID is not a severe disease or risks are not involved, I am saying the risks are only high for a very small % of the population. What no one wants to balance that against is the cost of the lockdowns and restrictions on the whole population here in Australia compared to somewhere like Florida that did not take that approach.
The deaths that will occur because of people not getting routine cancer screening will be massive. There has been a huge increase in mental health issues, domestic violence, child abuse, alcohol and substance abuse, teenage suicides are up. The cost of kids not being at school for large periods has not been quantified.
The effect of the government responses has been horrific for kids, but no one wants to balance that with the risk to older and sick people. Thats not even assessing the long term economic effects. There is a clear correlation between the strength of economies and the health of communities.
It's not popular to balance one group of deaths and impacts against another, but that is what public response is supposed to do.
Solid roundup Paradox
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
Solid roundup Paradox
I have really only scratched the surface.
I mean lets just look at the increase in child abuse they know 100% is happening because of the lockdowns but can't quantify it yet because much of it won't come out for years. How many kids is it ok to be abused to save an elderly or sick person? How many women beaten to hell or killed is it ok to save one life from covid? Kids addicted to meth or commiting suicide?
COVID deaths are easy to count, the costs of lockdowns and restrictions are hidden behind fuzzy numbers that won't see clarity for many years. Those in power are fully aware they will come, but only care about the popularity polls on how they are keeping everyone safe in the immediate moment. They can always blame others if they are still in power when the toll comes out, more likely they will be long gone.
I will not vote for any individual or party whether in power or opposition who has willfully ignored this and at the very least called for a better assessment of total impacts and risks, long and short term.
I have seen very little leadership from any of the main parties in this whole endeavour.
Anyone have any thoughts as to rinsing a 1% Povidone Iodine solution in your nasal passages a couple times a day when you have an onset of Covid symptoms or any virus for that matter? Read this study a few months ago & was reminded about it when listening to a podcast last night.
www.bioresearchcommunications.com/index.php/brc/article/view/176/159
I'd give it a go as an experiment & can report back here with results. If you happen to try this make sure you don't swallow the solution it can inflame your thyroid.
Haven't had any jabs, no PCR tests. This will be my $9 Covid treatment with no cost to you, the tax payer.
I bought some the other week.
www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/1160/betadine-concentrated-sore-throat-gargle---sore-throat-treatment---15ml
^^^No cost to us tax payers.......until we pay your hospital bills, after you getting your medical advice from Seabreeze lol.
Maybe talk to your medically train professional first ?
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
^^^No cost to us tax payers.......until we pay your hospital bills, after you getting your medical advice from Seabreeze lol.
Maybe talk to your medically train professional first ?
I think we all know what will happen if I see a medically trained professional (which will cost the tax payer another Medicare cost).
"Do not do that, we recommend 3 jabs".
My solution falls outside the mainstream so talking to my local GP will not go down well I'm sure.
If you read the study it seems to make a convincing case;
Results:The group of patients used 1% PVP-I have shown tremendously reduced mortality, morbidity and hospital as well as financial burden in this covid situation.
Conclusion:Administration of 1% PVP-I as mouthwash/gargle, nasal or eye drop is simple, rapid and cost effective in reduction of mortality and morbidity by COVID-19.
I'm looking for an at-home treatment that includes no risks of adverse reactions from jabs for my relatively young age (44) & excellent health.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
^^^No cost to us tax payers.......until we pay your hospital bills, after you getting your medical advice from Seabreeze lol.
Maybe talk to your medically train professional first ?
Everyone get on the medically train!
Toot toot!
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
I think we all know what will happen if I see a medically trained professional (which will cost the tax payer another Medicare cost).
"Do not do that, we recommend 3 jabs".
My solution falls outside the mainstream so talking to my local GP will not go down well I'm sure.
If you read the study it seems to make a convincing case;
Results:The group of patients used 1% PVP-I have shown tremendously reduced mortality, morbidity and hospital as well as financial burden in this covid situation.
Conclusion:Administration of 1% PVP-I as mouthwash/gargle, nasal or eye drop is simple, rapid and cost effective in reduction of mortality and morbidity by COVID-19.
I'm looking for an at-home treatment that includes no risks of adverse reactions from jabs for my relatively young age (44) & excellent health.
In WA, they will most likely get Omicron strain and you will have plenty of time to crunch stats of unvaxxed vrs vaxxed. Chances of you getting really sick from COVID given you are 44 and very healthy is statistically slim. Every medication has side effects, so I wouldn't even bother with looking for dodgy untested "at-home" treatments
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
^^^No cost to us tax payers.......until we pay your hospital bills, after you getting your medical advice from Seabreeze lol.
Maybe talk to your medically train professional first ?
But you're happy to go surfing and get paid for not working by ... "us tax payers"? Huh.
Fingers crossed, you never get sick or injured then have to sponge of "us tax payers" eh.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..lotofwind said..
^^^No cost to us tax payers.......until we pay your hospital bills, after you getting your medical advice from Seabreeze lol.
Maybe talk to your medically train professional first ?
But you're happy to go surfing and get paid for not working by ... "us tax payers"? Huh.
Fingers crossed, you never get sick or injured then have to sponge of "us tax payers" eh.
Had no choice, made the most of the situation.
Should I have sat at home all day complaining about it on forums? 
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..Kamikuza said..lotofwind said..
^^^No cost to us tax payers.......until we pay your hospital bills, after you getting your medical advice from Seabreeze lol.
Maybe talk to your medically train professional first ?
But you're happy to go surfing and get paid for not working by ... "us tax payers"? Huh.
Fingers crossed, you never get sick or injured then have to sponge of "us tax payers" eh.
Had no choice, made the most of the situation.
Should I have sat at home all day complaining about it on forums?
We'll you didn't complain about it all day on the forums, but you did make a dick of yourself everyday on the forums.
All aboard the medically train! TOOT TOOT!
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..Flying Dutchman said..
I think we all know what will happen if I see a medically trained professional (which will cost the tax payer another Medicare cost).
"Do not do that, we recommend 3 jabs".
My solution falls outside the mainstream so talking to my local GP will not go down well I'm sure.
If you read the study it seems to make a convincing case;
Results:The group of patients used 1% PVP-I have shown tremendously reduced mortality, morbidity and hospital as well as financial burden in this covid situation.
Conclusion:Administration of 1% PVP-I as mouthwash/gargle, nasal or eye drop is simple, rapid and cost effective in reduction of mortality and morbidity by COVID-19.
I'm looking for an at-home treatment that includes no risks of adverse reactions from jabs for my relatively young age (44) & excellent health.
In WA, they will most likely get Omicron strain and you will have plenty of time to crunch stats of unvaxxed vrs vaxxed. Chances of you getting really sick from COVID given you are 44 and very healthy is statistically slim. Every medication has side effects, so I wouldn't even bother with looking for dodgy untested "at-home" treatments
Yes thank you myscreenname I'm not worried about Omicron however I thought I might try an experiment to see if I can shorten symptoms. I have a few friends that have caught it in Sydney & they had flu like symptoms for 5-6 days. I thought maybe I could try something different and see if I can shorten this to 2 or 3 days just to see if this treatment works.
This idea isn't dodgy or untested there's been a few papers written on it so I'll give it a go. Happy New Year! 
Oh and this just came up for anyone interested, I haven't listened to it yet. Yes Robert Malone is a controversial outlier like Peter McCollough however will no doubt be an interesting conversation on Rogan.
open.spotify.com/episode/3SCsueX2bZdbEzRtKOCEyT?si=pkAeCkuXSgSxzikJGfWV2w
England - 29th December 2021- Deaths with Covid-19
The NHS now states that 100,897 people have now died in England with Covid-19. Of these people 96,354 had existing co-morbidities that were being monitored by the NHS at the time.
52,879 of these deaths have been in people aged over 80 years.
Over 91% of all deaths have been in those aged over 60 years and 96% of those dying with Covid-19 and aged over 60 years had one or more pre-existing conditions.
Only 4,543 people (4.45% of total deaths with Covid) were reported in people not suffering with at least one serious pre-existing condition that the NHS was monitoring at the time.
19 deaths (0.02% of total deaths with Covid) were in those aged between 0-19 years, with no pre-existing condition that the NHS was monitoring against at the time.
The population of England is over 56 million
Link to: www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Select to expand quoteParadox said..Flying Dutchman said..
Solid roundup Paradox
I have really only scratched the surface.
I mean lets just look at the increase in child abuse they know 100% is happening because of the lockdowns but can't quantify it yet because much of it won't come out for years. How many kids is it ok to be abused to save an elderly or sick person? How many women beaten to hell or killed is it ok to save one life from covid? Kids addicted to meth or commiting suicide?
COVID deaths are easy to count, the costs of lockdowns and restrictions are hidden behind fuzzy numbers that won't see clarity for many years. Those in power are fully aware they will come, but only care about the popularity polls on how they are keeping everyone safe in the immediate moment. They can always blame others if they are still in power when the toll comes out, more likely they will be long gone.
I will not vote for any individual or party whether in power or opposition who has willfully ignored this and at the very least called for a better assessment of total impacts and risks, long and short term.
I have seen very little leadership from any of the main parties in this whole endeavour.
Lockdowns were an attempt to slow the spread and especially the variations, dude.
The first wave of The Spanish Flu weren't so unusual and affected the old and/or the sick.
The second wave, and we still don't know why, affected mostly healthy people in their twenties.
"Unusually, the Spanish flu affected healthy young adults much more than its usual targets: children, the elderly or those with weakened immune systems." - www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/influenza-pandemic
It looks like the virus is mutating itself into weaker variations, like Omicron, so that's good. But while it's still living in everyone and partying and ****ing other diseases they have in them at the time we'll get variations. There'll be a a few more yet.
Also, not locking down doesn't work either; everyone gets sick. Even this week in Sydney plenty of shops have notices that they are shutting down simply because too many of their staff are too sick to work. Everyone remaining is overworked. After what, two weeks of this outbreak?
i.e. you'll be locked down anyway, and sick as a dog.
Personally I think NSW didn't lock down hard and fast enough. It seemed like everyone was screaming to do so. If we did when that last Delta outbreak started we could have locked down for a couple of weeks instead of what we had to in the end. Like, d'uh. The guv'ment sort of did a half-arsed job, and ended up in this odd, in-between place, where we locked down really ineffectually, for a very long time.
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On a different, perhaps, happier note: Seems long term effects of COVID-19 include brain damage. 
Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from COVID-19
www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00324-2/fulltext
Especially in men:
Brain injury, endothelial injury and inflammatory markers are elevated and express sex-specific alterations after COVID-19
jneuroinflammation.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12974-021-02323-8
You lose your sense of taste and smell not because your nerves are ****ed up, but because your brain is. Just what we need; more dumberer people.
Select to expand quoteevlPanda said..
The first wave of The Spanish Flu weren't so unusual and affected the old and/or the sick.
The second wave, and we still don't know why, affected mostly healthy people in their twenties.
"Unusually, the Spanish flu affected healthy young adults much more than its usual targets: children, the elderly or those with weakened immune systems." - www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/influenza-pandemic
Wasn't that that cytokine storm thing? I.e. where the body responded so aggressively to the infection that the response itself was the thing killing people? I guess its impossible to know what people were dying from back then, but I think this is the reason they are suggesting now.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
Wasn't that that cytokine storm thing? I.e. where the body responded so aggressively to the infection that the response itself was the thing killing people? I guess its impossible to know what people were dying from back then, but I think this is the reason they are suggesting now.
Yep. ,,There's absolutely no way a healthy diet can mitigate a cytokine storm. The food we eat doesn't affect mitochondrial function, and mitochondrial dysfunction is not associated with poor infection outcomes,,
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
Anyone have any thoughts as to rinsing a 1% Povidone Iodine solution in your nasal passages a couple times a day when you have an onset of Covid symptoms or any virus for that matter? Read this study a few months ago & was reminded about it when listening to a podcast last night.
www.bioresearchcommunications.com/index.php/brc/article/view/176/159
I'd give it a go as an experiment & can report back here with results. If you happen to try this make sure you don't swallow the solution it can inflame your thyroid.
Haven't had any jabs, no PCR tests. This will be my $9 Covid treatment with no cost to you, the tax payer.
I bought some the other week.
www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/1160/betadine-concentrated-sore-throat-gargle---sore-throat-treatment---15ml
Yeh I'm giving it a crack. Might reduce the viral load if exposed in the throat and nasal
passage. Then again it could very well do sweet Fck all - kinda like vaccines I've had 
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Flying Dutchman said..
Anyone have any thoughts as to rinsing a 1% Povidone Iodine solution in your nasal passages a couple times a day when you have an onset of Covid symptoms or any virus for that matter? Read this study a few months ago & was reminded about it when listening to a podcast last night.
www.bioresearchcommunications.com/index.php/brc/article/view/176/159
I'd give it a go as an experiment & can report back here with results. If you happen to try this make sure you don't swallow the solution it can inflame your thyroid.
Haven't had any jabs, no PCR tests. This will be my $9 Covid treatment with no cost to you, the tax payer.
I bought some the other week.
www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/1160/betadine-concentrated-sore-throat-gargle---sore-throat-treatment---15ml
Yeh I'm giving it a crack. Might reduce the viral load if exposed in the throat and nasal
passage. Then again it could very well do sweet Fck all - kinda like vaccines I've had
Okay, I will bite. I can't resist the bait.
You two are going to rinse a solution of Iodine down your nose and throat once you get symptoms of Covid? Or anyway, before any symptoms?
You do realise that you are in WA and that there is next to no cases of Covid at the moment don't you?
Even if there were, what is your 'experiment' going to prove? Nothing. We have already discussed at length that some people get it bad and some people don't even notice they have it. So your snorting of iodine is going to prove what exactly?
You may as well mix some eye-of-newt in there as well and if you survive, that's clearly the answer to the pandemic.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..FormulaNova said..
Wasn't that that cytokine storm thing? I.e. where the body responded so aggressively to the infection that the response itself was the thing killing people? I guess its impossible to know what people were dying from back then, but I think this is the reason they are suggesting now.
Yep. ,,There's absolutely no way a healthy diet can mitigate a cytokine storm. The food we eat doesn't affect mitochondrial function, and mitochondrial dysfunction is not associated with poor infection outcomes,,
I will assume you are being sarcastic.
I am not sure how you think 'better nutrition' has much impact on something that happened 100 years ago when fast food was not a problem and that it was very unlikely that there were many people that were obese. This happened well before lots of people started having unhealthy diets.
Yeah, I am not sure in the 1920s there were epidemics of obese people and too many people eating too much KFC.
I think the point of the cytokine storm problem was that the immune system of people hit by this virus (back then) reacted too well and this became the problem for lots of, millions of, otherwise health people aged between their 20s and 40s.
Not bad nutrition, not lack of ivermectin, just a virus that caused an over-reaction that ended up killing people.
Our bodies are not perfect. Having the exact number of micronutrients and sultanas in your diet do not make you superhuman.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Flying Dutchman said..
Anyone have any thoughts as to rinsing a 1% Povidone Iodine solution in your nasal passages a couple times a day when you have an onset of Covid symptoms or any virus for that matter? Read this study a few months ago & was reminded about it when listening to a podcast last night.
www.bioresearchcommunications.com/index.php/brc/article/view/176/159
I'd give it a go as an experiment & can report back here with results. If you happen to try this make sure you don't swallow the solution it can inflame your thyroid.
Haven't had any jabs, no PCR tests. This will be my $9 Covid treatment with no cost to you, the tax payer.
I bought some the other week.
www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/1160/betadine-concentrated-sore-throat-gargle---sore-throat-treatment---15ml
Yeh I'm giving it a crack. Might reduce the viral load if exposed in the throat and nasal
passage. Then again it could very well do sweet Fck all - kinda like vaccines I've had
Sweet eppo let me know how you go. Like I said, the average time of symptoms for people with Omicron is like 5-7 days so see if you can shorten the severity when you get it.
Get a nasal spray bottle from the pharmacy and don't swallow the solution!
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..psychojoe said..FormulaNova said..
Wasn't that that cytokine storm thing? I.e. where the body responded so aggressively to the infection that the response itself was the thing killing people? I guess its impossible to know what people were dying from back then, but I think this is the reason they are suggesting now.
Yep. ,,There's absolutely no way a healthy diet can mitigate a cytokine storm. The food we eat doesn't affect mitochondrial function, and mitochondrial dysfunction is not associated with poor infection outcomes,,
I will assume you are being sarcastic.
I am not sure how you think 'better nutrition' has much impact on something that happened 100 years ago when fast food was not a problem and that it was very unlikely that there were many people that were obese. This happened well before lots of people started having unhealthy diets.
Yeah, I am not sure in the 1920s there were epidemics of obese people and too many people eating too much KFC.
I think the point of the cytokine storm problem was that the immune system of people hit by this virus (back then) reacted too well and this became the problem for lots of, millions of, otherwise health people aged between their 20s and 40s.
Not bad nutrition, not lack of ivermectin, just a virus that caused an over-reaction that ended up killing people.
Our bodies are not perfect. Having the exact number of micronutrients and sultanas in your diet do not make you superhuman.
oh contrare, it most definitely does make one superhuman.
I can't quite get my head around how you perceive malnutrition to not be an unhealthy diet.
The immune system working "too well" is a half truth. A balanced diet leads to inflammation for healing followed soon after by anti-inflammation.
You can blame the poor health of your lineage for your DNA misgivings. We are the evolution of a single cell organism, much like a plant, are we farming them or are they farming us to fertilize their soils and add carbon dioxide to their air.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..eppo said..Flying Dutchman said..
Anyone have any thoughts as to rinsing a 1% Povidone Iodine solution in your nasal passages a couple times a day when you have an onset of Covid symptoms or any virus for that matter? Read this study a few months ago & was reminded about it when listening to a podcast last night.
www.bioresearchcommunications.com/index.php/brc/article/view/176/159
I'd give it a go as an experiment & can report back here with results. If you happen to try this make sure you don't swallow the solution it can inflame your thyroid.
Haven't had any jabs, no PCR tests. This will be my $9 Covid treatment with no cost to you, the tax payer.
I bought some the other week.
www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/1160/betadine-concentrated-sore-throat-gargle---sore-throat-treatment---15ml
Yeh I'm giving it a crack. Might reduce the viral load if exposed in the throat and nasal
passage. Then again it could very well do sweet Fck all - kinda like vaccines I've had
Okay, I will bite. I can't resist the bait.
You two are going to rinse a solution of Iodine down your nose and throat once you get symptoms of Covid? Or anyway, before any symptoms?
You do realise that you are in WA and that there is next to no cases of Covid at the moment don't you?
Even if there were, what is your 'experiment' going to prove? Nothing. We have already discussed at length that some people get it bad and some people don't even notice they have it. So your snorting of iodine is going to prove what exactly?
You may as well mix some eye-of-newt in there as well and if you survive, that's clearly the answer to the pandemic.
Let us have our fun FormulaNova it's not going to effect you don't worry. I'd rather be sick for 2 days than 5.
I've heard it recommended in a few podcasts by Drs so I want to see if it works. Who knows it might do fark all but it may work. Will be handy to know for any viruses in the future including flus.
I'm only going to do once I have some symptoms.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..FormulaNova said..eppo said..Flying Dutchman said..
Anyone have any thoughts as to rinsing a 1% Povidone Iodine solution in your nasal passages a couple times a day when you have an onset of Covid symptoms or any virus for that matter? Read this study a few months ago & was reminded about it when listening to a podcast last night.
www.bioresearchcommunications.com/index.php/brc/article/view/176/159
I'd give it a go as an experiment & can report back here with results. If you happen to try this make sure you don't swallow the solution it can inflame your thyroid.
Haven't had any jabs, no PCR tests. This will be my $9 Covid treatment with no cost to you, the tax payer.
I bought some the other week.
www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/1160/betadine-concentrated-sore-throat-gargle---sore-throat-treatment---15ml
Yeh I'm giving it a crack. Might reduce the viral load if exposed in the throat and nasal
passage. Then again it could very well do sweet Fck all - kinda like vaccines I've had
Okay, I will bite. I can't resist the bait.
You two are going to rinse a solution of Iodine down your nose and throat once you get symptoms of Covid? Or anyway, before any symptoms?
You do realise that you are in WA and that there is next to no cases of Covid at the moment don't you?
Even if there were, what is your 'experiment' going to prove? Nothing. We have already discussed at length that some people get it bad and some people don't even notice they have it. So your snorting of iodine is going to prove what exactly?
You may as well mix some eye-of-newt in there as well and if you survive, that's clearly the answer to the pandemic.
Let us have our fun FormulaNova it's not going to effect you don't worry. I'd rather be sick for 2 days than 5.
I've heard it recommended in a few podcasts by Drs so I want to see if it works. Who knows it might do fark all but it may work. Will be handy to know for any viruses in the future including flus.
I'm only going to do once I have some symptoms.
No, I have no problem with you doing this. It is your health choice after all.
I guess the only problem I have with it is the logic. If it fails, how would you discern it from just random chance? If it works, how would you discern it from random chance?
If you were to have symptoms and they went away straight away, was it your treatment or the way your body would have reacted anyway? Worst, what if it somehow impaired your body's immune response? Not likely, but you would never be able to know.
That Doctor McCullough though went on about, waffled if you will, about these sorts of treatments, and then got Covid himself. I wonder what went wrong there?
Stick with the eye-of-newt. It has the runs on the board.
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Dont you mean those people YOU voted for.
I don't think any country is handling the pandemic in an ideal way.
Which country would you rather be in, which government is handling the pandemic the better and why?
Nah, I didn't vote for them, or any of their incompetent mates they dragged into the parliament with them.
Ideal? Agreed, but some are "handling" it better than others.
Japan has done better. Up until the new PM, they were doing a clearly better job than NZ -- even as only a permanent resident, I still had the right to get back into the country... unlike the nation where I'm a citizen and have constitutional right to entry. But can't.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..FormulaNova said..psychojoe said..FormulaNova said..
Wasn't that that cytokine storm thing? I.e. where the body responded so aggressively to the infection that the response itself was the thing killing people? I guess its impossible to know what people were dying from back then, but I think this is the reason they are suggesting now.
Yep. ,,There's absolutely no way a healthy diet can mitigate a cytokine storm. The food we eat doesn't affect mitochondrial function, and mitochondrial dysfunction is not associated with poor infection outcomes,,
I will assume you are being sarcastic.
I am not sure how you think 'better nutrition' has much impact on something that happened 100 years ago when fast food was not a problem and that it was very unlikely that there were many people that were obese. This happened well before lots of people started having unhealthy diets.
Yeah, I am not sure in the 1920s there were epidemics of obese people and too many people eating too much KFC.
I think the point of the cytokine storm problem was that the immune system of people hit by this virus (back then) reacted too well and this became the problem for lots of, millions of, otherwise health people aged between their 20s and 40s.
Not bad nutrition, not lack of ivermectin, just a virus that caused an over-reaction that ended up killing people.
Our bodies are not perfect. Having the exact number of micronutrients and sultanas in your diet do not make you superhuman.
oh contrare, it most definitely does make one superhuman.
I can't quite get my head around how you perceive malnutrition to not be an unhealthy diet.
The immune system working "too well" is a half truth. A balanced diet leads to inflammation for healing followed soon after by anti-inflammation.
You can blame the poor health of your lineage for your DNA misgivings. We are the evolution of a single cell organism, much like a plant, are we farming them or are they farming us to fertilize their soils and add carbon dioxide to their air.
You can't get your head around it because you are wrong. Everyone is not suffering malnutrition. I doubt its that common in most people's diets in developed countries.
Have you any proof of all of your beliefs that 'a balanced diet' does any of this stuff? Any peer reviewed studies? Anything at all?
As a very general question, do you have any health related career history at all or is it just an enthusiasts view? You seem to allude to things like this, but not actually say it so I doubt you do. For the record, I don't, so its not as if I am qualified either.
I really don't understand your comment about "poor health of your lineage for your DNA misgivings". What does that even mean? I or a nominal person can blame the poor health of the people we are descended from for our DNA doubts? That makes no sense at all, so you must mean something else. I hope.
