Select to expand quoteBananabender said..hilly said..Bananabender said..hilly said..Bananabender said..eppo said..Brent in Qld said..
Schools & teachers still teach the basics, our children's future will not be your past and the sun will rise tomorrow... whether you understand it or not. The older we get, the closer to death (being obsolete) we become. For many this fact can be difficult to reconcile, as can be witnessed throughout this thread.
That is so well put.
Being around teneagers every day I can attest to the wisdom of the words above.
They are far more intuitive, quick thinking and dynamic than we ever were.
And it can make you feel soooo old and out of date being around it day in day out.
The rest of you are complete pretenders who are talking out ones ass without enough direct experience to really have an informed opinion.
Ive had more informed intelligent, balanced discussions with 14 yr old students than what I've read here.
You idiots pick a few random experiences and make a conjecture that the entire generation can't do
basic maths.
Ask me I can teach over 100 students in one day and I can tell you they can do basic maths just fine...and some!!
There has always those that can't do maths well.
No ,your the closed mind .
Its those who can't do maths or spell or speak well that need the basics .
You know the ones you put at the back of the class and pretend their not there and then upgrade them each year when they should repeat .
I heard some schools even give them the day off when naplan comes around .
If they are lucky they get a job as a sales assistant oops hang on how do they work the register if given cash . na it's ok they can do calculus and know how to google.
And they end up posting sad dialogues on forums as grumpy old men.
Me! Grumpy ,Sad. ?
Hang On I'll ask my lawyer.
Well he's says I'm perhaps a bit Grumpy when I see mediocrity being passed off as modern teaching at the expense of those kids not so gifted.
Sad dialogues . Nothing sad about speaking the truth unless of course it does not fit in with the way you see life through your Rose coloured glasses.
By the way a famous Latin Scholar is quoted as saying it's a sign of weakness to attack the author instead of his writings.
. I'm sure you are aware of whom I refer . Right
Said by a sad old man who has never been in a school and his limited exposure to youth is via the news sites who want to sell advertising. You have no feckn idea.
There you go again ,attack the the writer.Then again its what your taught
to teach .
Didn't you just call Eppo closed mind and say I am taught to teach a particular way?? You are from the Trump mold without a doubt. Try a mirror sir.
Well if you don't know the difference between calling an individual a sad old person and a statement that one is taught what they are taught there is a serious question about the quality of teachers and it is pointless continuing.
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it is pointless continuing.
Totally agree it is pointless continuing. Over and out.
Nothing like a robust discussion on the breeze. Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course. There are some glaring issue with education but these are a reflection of society as a whole as with every walk of life.
One of the ills of society is the increasing gap between the rich and the poor. This also plays out in education as well. The gap between the clever and the challenged is also incredible rapidly. Especially as children get marginalised very quickly without decent parenting (due to social economic gaps). The resources pumped into this growing body of marginalised children in any school (well the state school and low fee paying private school anyway) would make your eyes boggle.
I can tell you the elite schools are doing far less of the basics and far more project focussed, problem based learning in collaborative environments. This is not just through their curricular approach .....
They are even building vast amounts of infrastructure , immense amount of capital works is being done to elicit this type of learning.
Because the movers and shakers know what is coming and demand these skills for the next generation of the elite.
... so most of what you are saying does not comply with what the real future influencers are doing. That's because you to are out of touch with an evolving world.
It has sadly left you behind as you debate that the basics of maths are not taught enough so little Johnny can't work out change for you.
As with hilly (another person who actually has direct experience with this as opposed to most of you except your run in with little Johnny) ...
im out.... 
If you think kids don't need to know the basics, you are out of touch with reality.
This 'future' influencer probably aced her project on the victimhood Olympics though.
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Nothing like a robust discussion on the breeze. Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course. There are some glaring issue with education but these are a reflection of society as a whole as with every walk of life.
One of the ills of society is the increasing gap between the rich and the poor. This also plays out in education as well. The gap between the clever and the challenged is also incredible rapidly. Especially as children get marginalised very quickly without decent parenting (due to social economic gaps). The resources pumped into this growing body of marginalised children in any school (well the state school and low fee paying private school anyway) would make your eyes boggle.
I can tell you the elite schools are doing far less of the basics and far more project focussed, problem based learning in collaborative environments. This is not just through their curricular approach .....
They are even building vast amounts of infrastructure , immense amount of capital works is being done to elicit this type of learning.
Because the movers and shakers know what is coming and demand these skills for the next generation of the elite.
... so most of what you are saying does not comply with what the real future influencers are doing. That's because you to are out of touch with an evolving world.
It has sadly left you behind as you debate that the basics of maths are not taught enough so little Johnny can't work out change for you.
As with hilly (another person who actually has direct experience with this as opposed to most of you except your run in with little Johnny) ...
im out....
Forgive me, but i really am interested to know, (i really am, please do tell) how it is that kids can move straight to advanced whilst (it seems) skipping the most basic of math, i mean really.
What truly is sad is that little Johnny is not yet living in this grand new world, and sadly lacks the basic skills to function in the current one, because his world isn't here yet.
I really do hope that the incident that began this thread was an isolated occurrence, and not an overall picture of what is currently being taught in school. That really would be sad.
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I hope not, it lost funding because people realised what it really was, including teachers.
thats more of a heavy weather topic though. Not really related to what is being discussed here.
Select to expand quoteSubsonic said..eppo said..
Nothing like a robust discussion on the breeze. Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course. There are some glaring issue with education but these are a reflection of society as a whole as with every walk of life.
One of the ills of society is the increasing gap between the rich and the poor. This also plays out in education as well. The gap between the clever and the challenged is also incredible rapidly. Especially as children get marginalised very quickly without decent parenting (due to social economic gaps). The resources pumped into this growing body of marginalised children in any school (well the state school and low fee paying private school anyway) would make your eyes boggle.
I can tell you the elite schools are doing far less of the basics and far more project focussed, problem based learning in collaborative environments. This is not just through their curricular approach .....
They are even building vast amounts of infrastructure , immense amount of capital works is being done to elicit this type of learning.
Because the movers and shakers know what is coming and demand these skills for the next generation of the elite.
... so most of what you are saying does not comply with what the real future influencers are doing. That's because you to are out of touch with an evolving world.
It has sadly left you behind as you debate that the basics of maths are not taught enough so little Johnny can't work out change for you.
As with hilly (another person who actually has direct experience with this as opposed to most of you except your run in with little Johnny) ...
im out....
Forgive me, but i really am interested to know, (i really am, please do tell) how it is that kids can move straight to advanced whilst (it seems) skipping the most basic of math, i mean really.
What truly is sad is that little Johnny is not yet living in this grand new world, and sadly lacks the basic skills to function in the current one, because his world isn't here yet.
I really do hope that the incident that began this thread was an isolated occurrence, and not an overall picture of what is currently being taught in school. That really would be sad.
Your premise is they lack the basics; not being taught at schools.
You infer that that from some isolated incidences of a few young people not being able to handle some cash transaction involving change, that this entire generation is doomed.
They are more adaptable and quick thinking than we ever were and they sure as hell wouldn't be sweating over some chump change maths. If stuck they would pull out their phone and ask Siri and move on!!
The world is indeed already here... but those worrying about a certain child's inability to work out simple change in their heads wouldn't be the ones to notice that would they.
Anyhow the earths flat apparently ...
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Subsonic said..eppo said..
Nothing like a robust discussion on the breeze. Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course. There are some glaring issue with education but these are a reflection of society as a whole as with every walk of life.
One of the ills of society is the increasing gap between the rich and the poor. This also plays out in education as well. The gap between the clever and the challenged is also incredible rapidly. Especially as children get marginalised very quickly without decent parenting (due to social economic gaps). The resources pumped into this growing body of marginalised children in any school (well the state school and low fee paying private school anyway) would make your eyes boggle.
I can tell you the elite schools are doing far less of the basics and far more project focussed, problem based learning in collaborative environments. This is not just through their curricular approach .....
They are even building vast amounts of infrastructure , immense amount of capital works is being done to elicit this type of learning.
Because the movers and shakers know what is coming and demand these skills for the next generation of the elite.
... so most of what you are saying does not comply with what the real future influencers are doing. That's because you to are out of touch with an evolving world.
It has sadly left you behind as you debate that the basics of maths are not taught enough so little Johnny can't work out change for you.
As with hilly (another person who actually has direct experience with this as opposed to most of you except your run in with little Johnny) ...
im out....
Forgive me, but i really am interested to know, (i really am, please do tell) how it is that kids can move straight to advanced whilst (it seems) skipping the most basic of math, i mean really.
What truly is sad is that little Johnny is not yet living in this grand new world, and sadly lacks the basic skills to function in the current one, because his world isn't here yet.
I really do hope that the incident that began this thread was an isolated occurrence, and not an overall picture of what is currently being taught in school. That really would be sad.
Your premise is they lack the basics; not being taught at schools.
You infer that that from some isolated incidences of a few young people not being able to handle some cash transaction involving change, that this entire generation is doomed.
My immediate thought when i first read the OP was that this was just an isolated incident, i know plenty of intelligent kids who wouldn't struggle with the basic money counting. What sparked my concern was when yourself and a few others jumped on and started carrying on about how they're smarter than the generations before them, and the basics don't matter.
They are more adaptable and quick thinking than we ever were and they sure as hell wouldn't be sweating over some chump change maths. If stuck they would pull out their phone and ask Siri and move on!!
Are you sure about that? Or do you suppose maybe there are purely living in the world presented to them, just like the many generations before them. A world where iphones are christmas stocking gifts instead of a mechano set. It really is a big call saying they're more adaptable and quicker thinking than those before them, without examining the variables, its a quite a rash thing to say.
The world is indeed already here... but those worrying about a certain child's inability to work out simple change in their heads wouldn't be the ones to notice that would they.
I haven't been done out of my job by a robot yet, nor have many others by the looks. The world is isn't here yet im sorry to say. Some outside world interaction is still required.
Anyhow the earths flat apparently ...
And i still don't have my hoverboard either.
