Plus looks a lot like everyones midlength with extra tail rocker (12mths ago for some)
And not a fan of companies that have to talk up the construction and some of it is gibberish to sound all tech. Apparently they invented resin infusion (decades old) and their foam able to withstand 50kg per square metre is a bit weak to me light lightest crap stryro can do more than that.
Sell it to me Oskar
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
Plus looks a lot like everyones midlength with extra tail rocker (12mths ago for some)
And not a fan of companies that have to talk up the construction and some of it is gibberish to sound all tech. Apparently they invented resin infusion (decades old) and their foam able to withstand 50kg per square metre is a bit weak to me light lightest crap stryro can do more than that.
Sell it to me Oskar
I've got an Apple Slice V3 and highly rate it. One of the reasons I bought this board was due to the construction. If you ding these boards, they don't suck water. No vents to worry about (Goretex or otherwise). I thought you'd rate this highly Mark given your other thread on Goretex vents....
and the closed cell foam can withstand 50,000kg per square meter....not 50kg. #factsmatter
^^ I do and I don't
They are awesome boards. But, XPS offgases when its bruised and leads to horrid delam. XPS is a really bad core in hot places. They say they have fixed this with a bespoke foam, but also in other places they say its still XPS so I'd like to see them say what it actually is.
But #2 is any manufacturer who talks stuff up, looks like they need to. Shame as I don't think they need to. But they describe resin infusion and say they developed a special process nobody else uses. Well it IS used lots, just not in board manufacture as styro sucks too much resin. Due to their core foam they can use resin infusion in manufacture. However the claimed benefits on their blurb can also be achieved by pre-preg that many do use. Furthermore, sandwich will always be stiffer and stronger than just carbon over core foam. Its not totally true but it is true - baffling people with marketing bvllsh!t
Now their site said withstands 50.000kg..... yeak ok its that euro numbers stuff where they don't use a comma....
Oops
Select to expand quoteKitz92 said..
and the closed cell foam can withstand 50,000kg per square meter....not 50kg. #factsmatter
Closed cell foam?
50 tonnes per square metre? I'd like to see that.
Select to expand quoteThatspec said..
$1949USD for the 77L 
NO
Don't know about the pricing in your area, but where I live the prices of Appletree boards are highly competitive. For example, a Duotone Skybrid SLS is about the same price, after I've added some color-options on the Appeltree. And a couple of hundreds less expensive than the retail price for a KT Super K V2.
When I look at the technical aspects a choice between a Skybrid and skipper Midlength is a no-brainer.
Only one way to find out if the shape works...
Select to expand quoteSubsonic said..Kitz92 said..
and the closed cell foam can withstand 50,000kg per square meter....not 50kg. #factsmatter
Closed cell foam?
50 tonnes per square metre? I'd like to see that.
Hahahah. Yeah let me translate that to hamburgers per bald eagle..thats 31 pounds per square inch.sounds much less impressive.
Dunno that is right
50,000kg is 50 tonnes
that is 55 tons
Google converter says that is 78psi
That is a LOT
I think they mean their finished laminate can handle that - not the foam....
Even then I doubt it, we implode boards when vac bagging at a lot less than that.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
Dunno that is right
50,000kg is 50 tonnes
that is 55 tons
Google converter says that is 78psi
That is a LOT
I think they mean their finished laminate can handle that - not the foam....
Even then I doubt it, we implode boards when vac bagging at a lot less than that.
It's referring to the foam. See appletreesurfboards.com/surf-technology/
It converts to 5kg/cm2 if that sounds more reasonable....
A square metre only gives the 2d measurement, how thick is the foam?
5 kg is not an insignificant amount of weight on 1 square cm of foam, it takes significantly less weight to start to distort a bigger area of a normal piece of xps.
Select to expand quoteKitz92 said..Mark _australia said..
Dunno that is right
50,000kg is 50 tonnes
that is 55 tons
Google converter says that is 78psi
That is a LOT
I think they mean their finished laminate can handle that - not the foam....
Even then I doubt it, we implode boards when vac bagging at a lot less than that.
It's referring to the foam. See appletreesurfboards.com/surf-technology/
It converts to 5kg/cm2 if that sounds more reasonable....
Yes that's the page I've been referring to. lots of marketing wankwords
And no that doesn't sound reasonable
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
Dunno that is right
50,000kg is 50 tonnes
that is 55 tons
Google converter says that is 78psi
That is a LOT
I think they mean their finished laminate can handle that - not the foam....
Even then I doubt it, we implode boards when vac bagging at a lot less than that.
I'm wondering why every Appletree foil board I've seen was a covered by pressure dents if the foam can take 55 tonnes of pressure ?
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
They are awesome boards. But, XPS offgases when its bruised and leads to horrid delam. XPS is a really bad core in hot places. They say they have fixed this with a bespoke foam, but also in other places they say its still XPS so I'd like to see them say what it actually is.
Do you know of horrid delam cases from Appletree lately?
I thought this was the big deal and one of their main selling points...that they figured out how to use XPS without the problems it was known for.
So far so good with the 2 I've had, and it does get hot AF here in the summer
Having had many boards, I am a big believer in Appletree construction and can say that they definitely hold up better for me.
I also like the lower volume midlength concept. I had an 80L 5'7 board and just got a 6' 60L board. I feel like the 60L rides much nicer - more connected, less corky, and much more stable sitting just below the surface (80kg).
What I don't like about the appletree Skipper designs is the soft rail and displacement features. Need to see one of these in the flesh before passing judgment, but I've found the soft rail displacement features to be VERY unstable. It is sold as a benefit on touchdowns, and I believe it, but I think the tradeoff in stability outweighs that benefit. It looks like the rail is harder on these, but I like a true planing hull at least in the back 2/3 or so. I think planing hull is even more important on a lower volume board and really helps get to the surface and gain some takeoff stability.
These guys know what they are doing and the Slice v3 is still my favorite board, but I just haven't gotten along with the skipper series as well.
The omen emissary is another newer ML in the appletree construction. Still very rounded up front but has harder edges at the tail. omenfoils.com/products/emissary-hp
omenfoils.com/products/emissary-lw
Select to expand quoteThatspec said..
$1949USD for the 77L
NO
That is more or less what an US brand or AUS brand like Amos cost in Europe.An solution is to buy more regionally.
Select to expand quotekook123 said..Mark _australia said..
They are awesome boards. But, XPS offgases when its bruised and leads to horrid delam. XPS is a really bad core in hot places. They say they have fixed this with a bespoke foam, but also in other places they say its still XPS so I'd like to see them say what it actually is.
Do you know of horrid delam cases from Appletree lately?
I thought this was the big deal and one of their main selling points...that they figured out how to use XPS without the problems it was known for.
So far so good with the 2 I've had, and it does get hot AF here in the summer
I did say they claim to have fixed it
but then they don't say what it is, and make other silly impossible claims.
my whole point. Credibility. It's not just appletree, I find it a big turnoff with other manufacturers who feel the need to invent tech sounding stuff ands its exaggeration or lies
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..kook123 said..Mark _australia said..
They are awesome boards. But, XPS offgases when its bruised and leads to horrid delam. XPS is a really bad core in hot places. They say they have fixed this with a bespoke foam, but also in other places they say its still XPS so I'd like to see them say what it actually is.
Do you know of horrid delam cases from Appletree lately?
I thought this was the big deal and one of their main selling points...that they figured out how to use XPS without the problems it was known for.
So far so good with the 2 I've had, and it does get hot AF here in the summer
I did say they claim to have fixed it
but then they don't say what it is, and make other silly impossible claims.
my whole point. Credibility. It's not just appletree, I find it a big turnoff with other manufacturers who feel the need to invent tech sounding stuff ands its exaggeration or lies
I'm totally with you on being fed up with the marketing hype and invented terms/concepts, and just talking sh!t (like claiming that whatever board features the new board "allows for easy release from the water")...but good luck avoiding it with any production gear out there...I personally like Appletree's general approach and find their quality to be pretty attractive. I'm OK ignoring silly marking speak if the boards are worth it.
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..
Having had many boards, I am a big believer in Appletree construction and can say that they definitely hold up better for me.
I also like the lower volume midlength concept. I had an 80L 5'7 board and just got a 6' 60L board. I feel like the 60L rides much nicer - more connected, less corky, and much more stable sitting just below the surface (80kg).
What I don't like about the appletree Skipper designs is the soft rail and displacement features. Need to see one of these in the flesh before passing judgment, but I've found the soft rail displacement features to be VERY unstable. It is sold as a benefit on touchdowns, and I believe it, but I think the tradeoff in stability outweighs that benefit. It looks like the rail is harder on these, but I like a true planing hull at least in the back 2/3 or so. I think planing hull is even more important on a lower volume board and really helps get to the surface and gain some takeoff stability.
These guys know what they are doing and the Slice v3 is still my favorite board, but I just haven't gotten along with the skipper series as well.
I've had similar experiences and have the skipper DW...super tippy and would love to have more stability on the water. The upsides are still there and I use it a lot as my light wind board with lots of success.
I also have a 72L Omen Flux, which is also really unstable on the water coming from a V2 Slice. Great otherwise, and productively forced me to rodeo start all the time on it...
The learning curve on gear choices and learning local conditions and personal skills/limitations of the past couple seasons has me thinking a custom Slice (with a bit more length and less width than stock) would be really ideal for me...but I'd really like to go back to back between some similar dimensioned planing and displacement hulled boards
Select to expand quotekook123 said..Mark _australia said..kook123 said..Mark _australia said..
They are awesome boards. But, XPS offgases when its bruised and leads to horrid delam. XPS is a really bad core in hot places. They say they have fixed this with a bespoke foam, but also in other places they say its still XPS so I'd like to see them say what it actually is.
Do you know of horrid delam cases from Appletree lately?
I thought this was the big deal and one of their main selling points...that they figured out how to use XPS without the problems it was known for.
So far so good with the 2 I've had, and it does get hot AF here in the summer
I did say they claim to have fixed it
but then they don't say what it is, and make other silly impossible claims.
my whole point. Credibility. It's not just appletree, I find it a big turnoff with other manufacturers who feel the need to invent tech sounding stuff ands its exaggeration or lies
I'm totally with you on being fed up with the marketing hype and invented terms/concepts, and just talking sh!t (like claiming that whatever board features the new board "allows for easy release from the water")...but good luck avoiding it with any production gear out there...I personally like Appletree's general approach and find their quality to be pretty attractive. I'm OK ignoring silly marking speak if the boards are worth it.
I'll third this. I get it that marketing is marketing but I hate getting duped by companies because of new wording and claims of reinventing the wheel. It's probably why I like gear with super low marketing budgets. It seems so bland and non-hyped that my expectations are very low. I get to try it and actually have my own experience which I appreciate.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
^^ I do and I don't
They are awesome boards. But, XPS offgases when its bruised and leads to horrid delam. XPS is a really bad core in hot places. They say they have fixed this with a bespoke foam, but also in other places they say its still XPS so I'd like to see them say what it actually is.
But #2 is any manufacturer who talks stuff up, looks like they need to. Shame as I don't think they need to. But they describe resin infusion and say they developed a special process nobody else uses. Well it IS used lots, just not in board manufacture as styro sucks too much resin. Due to their core foam they can use resin infusion in manufacture. However the claimed benefits on their blurb can also be achieved by pre-preg that many do use. Furthermore, sandwich will always be stiffer and stronger than just carbon over core foam. Its not totally true but it is true - baffling people with marketing bvllsh!t
Now their site said withstands 50.000kg..... yeak ok its that euro numbers stuff where they don't use a comma....
Oops
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. But I think they do merit the credit. I have a Jazz 62L that I've been riding since 2022... And it has more hours than any other board. It still rides like new. I really like the construction and I really think it's better than EPS or XPS, based on experience.
I was answering a specific question re why I don't like XPS as I also don't like goretex vents and was bagging them out.
Appletree tell us its XPS but made for them to solve the off gassing issue
further that 50tonnes per square metre is dreaming it's 78psi. So they're great boards but I call marketing BS.
I've seen it all in 30yrs of making boards and other composites btw.
great boards, just say in some stuff doesn't add up.
hope that clarifies.
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..
Having had many boards, I am a big believer in Appletree construction and can say that they definitely hold up better for me.
I also like the lower volume midlength concept. I had an 80L 5'7 board and just got a 6' 60L board. I feel like the 60L rides much nicer - more connected, less corky, and much more stable sitting just below the surface (80kg).
What I don't like about the appletree Skipper designs is the soft rail and displacement features. Need to see one of these in the flesh before passing judgment, but I've found the soft rail displacement features to be VERY unstable. It is sold as a benefit on touchdowns, and I believe it, but I think the tradeoff in stability outweighs that benefit. It looks like the rail is harder on these, but I like a true planing hull at least in the back 2/3 or so. I think planing hull is even more important on a lower volume board and really helps get to the surface and gain some takeoff stability.
These guys know what they are doing and the Slice v3 is still my favorite board, but I just haven't gotten along with the skipper series as well.
I've been riding the 57L prone downing prone board for parawinging since I started. The rounded edges felt really unstable at first but now I love it. It just takes a bit of getting to know the board. The pro benefits are outstanding. Can pump this up on almost no wind and the touchdown release is phenomenal. Releases from the water and allows you em to engage the foil sooner than any board I've tried. Construction is rock solid. 42degree supper days here in Perth and no problem but I do try and keep sun off it when left in the sun for long periods. Brilliant board.
Got my 6.8 97 L 21 a few days ago. I will use it for light wind winging. My go to board is a 83 Slice v2 from Appletree. My weight is 95 kg in wetsuit and all other stuff. The Skipper Midlength is very stiff. The shape if very efficient in getting out of the water. Knee starting was surprisingly easy, I expected i to be wobbly but it is stabile compared what I'm used to. The mast track is a placed in a forward position so I don't' feel I'm surfing a long board.The narrow shape is something I really appreciate when turing.
After two days in light conditions I can't be more happy with the board.
I bought the 77L and I'm 95kg without wetsuit. It's great for winging, I have been able to get up right away even in light conditions. I'm an intermediate winger at best, and it's a big step up from my "soap bar" old style wide board that I used and abused for a few seasons.
Trying to learn to parawing on it, which is very hard for me. But guys my similar weight are using similar boards here in the gorge with luck. I kite a lot more than I wing so my skills aren't great with super light wind water starts (small parawing, lighter day, etc)
I own a few carbon kite boards from Appletree. Their construction is legit, I've ridden these boards hard, big reef breaks, etc and I don't have any dings. I do a lot of strapless with hard landings sometimes and no heel marks either. The only "ding" I've had, is I lost my kiteboard on a jump and some old lady riding a swell on her wing and refusing to flag out her wing (can't see ****) rammed full speed into my kite board. (Gorge things.) But it was only like a 1" gash in the nose, rather than taking the whole nose off (which I'd expect on a less durable board). Very fixable with some solar rez.
For kite boards, I think it's worth paying the premium for an Appletree, I absolutely HATE the "disposable surfboard" thing that some brands do, where they last for a season and then dent and buckle and turn yellow. For wing boards, the price seems right compared to other boards on the market. KTs are like $500 more!!
Select to expand quotefoilsmakeyoufat said..
I bought the 77L and I'm 95kg without wetsuit. It's great for winging, I have been able to get up right away even in light conditions. I'm an intermediate winger at best, and it's a big step up from my "soap bar" old style wide board that I used and abused for a few seasons.
Trying to learn to parawing on it, which is very hard for me. But guys my similar weight are using similar boards here in the gorge with luck. I kite a lot more than I wing so my skills aren't great with super light wind water starts (small parawing, lighter day, etc)
I own a few carbon kite boards from Appletree. Their construction is legit, I've ridden these boards hard, big reef breaks, etc and I don't have any dings. I do a lot of strapless with hard landings sometimes and no heel marks either. The only "ding" I've had, is I lost my kiteboard on a jump and some old lady riding a swell on her wing and refusing to flag out her wing (can't see ****) rammed full speed into my kite board. (Gorge things.) But it was only like a 1" gash in the nose, rather than taking the whole nose off (which I'd expect on a less durable board). Very fixable with some solar rez.
For kite boards, I think it's worth paying the premium for an Appletree, I absolutely HATE the "disposable surfboard" thing that some brands do, where they last for a season and then dent and buckle and turn yellow. For wing boards, the price seems right compared to other boards on the market. KTs are like $500 more!!
thx for that...how is the stability on the water, getting to your knees, feet, and getting up in chop/swell?
Anything else to compare to as better/worse?
