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What I'd like to see is a video of larger size 5.1-6.2m in action with rider collapsing pwing and packing down in belt bag then cruising DW then redeploying and power up the wing with out tangling like to see that.all that's out is just 1.8-2.9m videos,the bigger wings are definitely a different ballgame packing down and redeploying compared to the smaller sizes no surprise there,looking forward to seeing some video of the larger sizes in action
I don't think it is possible.. I will keep trying.
BRM doesn't launch product which hasn't been tested. If the bigger ones don't work they wouldn't be selling them.
Select to expand quoteIt's single skin but the leading edge has these pockets. They fill with water.
It becomes this giant water bag of 20-50lbs. Didn't want to let go of the bar for fear of tangling.
It was a nightmare trying to empty with all the lines and sitting on a tippy DW board on short period wind waves.
The key is never drop the Parawing. Similar to people not dropping a non relaunch kite.
It flys great on land.. I will hold off my decision till I get proper wind. I wish there were drain holes or something. The way the leading edge holds water just is frustrating. I liken the learning curve almost worst than a paddle.. plus if you fall into it and get caught up in it, kinda like a fishing net.. it is huge.
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It flys great on land.. I will hold off my decision till I get proper wind. I wish there were drain holes or something. The way the leading edge holds water just is frustrating. I liken the learning curve almost worst than a paddle.. plus if you fall into it and get caught up in it, kinda like a fishing net.. it is huge.
Never drop it.
Need to be treated as a non relaunch kite....
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It flys great on land.. I will hold off my decision till I get proper wind. I wish there were drain holes or something. The way the leading edge holds water just is frustrating. I liken the learning curve almost worst than a paddle.. plus if you fall into it and get caught up in it, kinda like a fishing net.. it is huge.
You need to grab the kite from the leading edge and pull it out of the water. Spread your arms and grab each side as wide as you can. Works great on the 4m. I will have a video up soon of my first session which is mostly slogging and relaunching the kite many times. Don't give up and have patience to naturally learn the techniques needed. This is all new try and enjoy being a pioneer!
the videos showing a simple retract and deploy on 1.8m or 2.9M parawings just don't reflect the reality of dealing with a 5.1m or 6.2m. but let's face it, wind sports in Maui don't reflect the reality of most of our home spots either. watching the guys try to downwind here (in Florida) makes me never want to try it. watching them in Maui is, again, another story. it may be the parawing ends up being like general DWing...a tool for the most exclusive spots or the absolute best conditions any of our normal spots can muster. time will tell. but i'm surprised to hear of people selling them already. most of our sports take a fair amount of time to learn, why should parawinging be instant nirvana?
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beached57 said..
i'm surprised to hear of people selling them already. most of our sports take a fair amount of time to learn, why should parawinging be instant nirvana?
For people that struggle to paddle up, or do not already downwind I think the parawing is going to be more compelling - as it could potentially save many sessions, and skip the need for a large dw board. If you are riding in warm side shore conditions, maybe a walk back, or a potentially lost wing wouldn't be a big deal.As an experienced paddler those launches are either onshore or offshore, it just felt extremely risky to use this without a leash. With the objective of going upwind, the need for perfectly matched range I feel becomes higher - which means you may need to own 3-sizes to make this work. Once using a leash and a harness loop it starts to make sense to reconsider sheeting along that same attachment line, i.e. a regular minimal single skin kite. ymmv!
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the videos showing a simple retract and deploy on 1.8m or 2.9M parawings just don't reflect the reality of dealing with a 5.1m or 6.2m. but let's face it, wind sports in Maui don't reflect the reality of most of our home spots either. watching the guys try to downwind here (in Florida) makes me never want to try it. watching them in Maui is, again, another story. it may be the parawing ends up being like general DWing...a tool for the most exclusive spots or the absolute best conditions any of our normal spots can muster. time will tell. but i'm surprised to hear of people selling them already. most of our sports take a fair amount of time to learn, why should parawinging be instant nirvana?
Sums it up pretty nicely
I flew double skinned foils for kiting at the start and stayed on them longer than most (which wasn't a great decision by the way) but nevertheless i know it takes some time to learn how to use them properly., launch and pack down. So there will be a learning curve for sure. Looks such an interesting idea - i predict it could very well be a sound option to consider.
In the early days of kiteboarding the plan was to wear a rash vest so you could stuff the drowned kite into it for the swim to shore. With my 8m Peak kite I take out a draw string bag with a mesh bottom for that purpose. The BRM comes with a mesh stuff sack.
I've swum in numerous times with foil kites up to 16m and once with my 8m single skin. Never done it without a board.
I would hope the BRM belt would have enough space to stow a drowned parawing for self rescue. I would expect a stuffed wing to be neutrally buoyant. Perhaps wear a PFD if you're really concerned, or wait until parawings are cheap enough to discard if you need to save your life.
If you want to watch struggle and relaunching. The reality of the first session. Did have 1 great ride that totally made all the struggle worth it. I am sold on the concept and can't wait to figure it all out. Hope this video is useful.
thx much for posting that video. i think it proves the parawing doesn't like to be underpowered, which i've noticed myself just in my beach-flying episodes.
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If you want to watch struggle and relaunching. The reality of the first session. Did have 1 great ride that totally made all the struggle worth it. I am sold on the concept and can't wait to figure it all out. Hope this video is useful.
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Awesome. I think the 6.2 is just too big. Watching you unstick from the water looks doable. The big size is just too much.
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If you want to watch struggle and relaunching. The reality of the first session. Did have 1 great ride that totally made all the struggle worth it. I am sold on the concept and can't wait to figure it all out. Hope this video is useful.
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Awesome. I think the 6.2 is just too big. Watching you unstick from the water looks doable. The big size is just too much.
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If you want to watch struggle and relaunching. The reality of the first session. Did have 1 great ride that totally made all the struggle worth it. I am sold on the concept and can't wait to figure it all out. Hope this video is useful.
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It seems to me that the bar just didn't have much control authority on a wing that big. Like it needs to be longer on the bigger sizes.
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Competition in the parawing world is getting in-tents
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Competition in the parawing world is getting in-tents
Fun video ... but then, Hmmmmm. A carbon fibre hoop. A bit of a bridle. A stick. Hmmmmm.
Got out day 2. Still really rough, but I changed up boards for more volume, and went to a new spot that really was not blowing too hard. I got it up and flew with it. I needed to use the fd to get up and get the feel. I honestly think once the management aspect is controlled it will be a fun toy. It was still fun, but I figured it was easier to motor to shore and untangle than try to deal with it on the board. The key is you have to stand up on the board and grab each leading edge line to let water drain out, but when you deploy it is tough to keep the bridal in line and the kite usually nose dives into the water to start the process over. Some times it works, most it does not. Luckily I had the motor to help out because if not I would have logged a ton of miles paddling back to shore. Progress is being made so I am still stoked to get out and try to make it happen. I have some video of me dealing with the challenges I may post up.
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Got out day 2. Still really rough, but I changed up boards for more volume, and went to a new spot that really was not blowing too hard. I got it up and flew with it. I needed to use the fd to get up and get the feel. I honestly think once the management aspect is controlled it will be a fun toy. It was still fun, but I figured it was easier to motor to shore and untangle than try to deal with it on the board. The key is you have to stand up on the board and grab each leading edge line to let water drain out, but when you deploy it is tough to keep the bridal in line and the kite usually nose dives into the water to start the process over. Some times it works, most it does not. Luckily I had the motor to help out because if not I would have logged a ton of miles paddling back to shore. Progress is being made so I am still stoked to get out and try to make it happen. I have some video of me dealing with the challenges I may post up.
What wind strength are you going out in?
Have you tried laying the kite on its back in the water with the leading edge away from you?
You tension the front lines, and the leading edge catches air and stands up and the wing lifts up and drains the water away.
I've seen it done with smaller size Peak kites. I've tried it with an 8m. It showed promise when laying out the wing while swimming. It was too sunk once I got to the end of the 23m lines.
Greg Drexler describes this method in the Parawing instructional video.
Audio a bit bad but this is day two. I talk a little about what works, etc. I took it out on the beach and rode my 't. Board and had a blast.. really want to get the hang of this though. ?si=jiSzVJP4lVt8df1l
Interesting development that Born-Kite is now building in water drainage panels into their leading edges, so maybe they are coming up with a on water version of their kite? Of course any ram air kite can be used on water, but most will not re-launch once saturated. The BRM kite certainly has the advantage ATM in this regard.
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Interesting development that Born-Kite is now building in water drainage panels into their leading edges, so maybe they are coming up with a on water version of their kite?
Born Kite will be releasing the Surf Star soon to compete with the Parawing and Pocket Wing. I believe its a modified Foil Star with very short lines.
finally got some brief wind with a storm yesterday. about 18-25 mph for half an hour. was very difficult holding the 5.1M on the beach in these winds, but i wanted to go out flying the wing, not deploying after on water. managed to get on my board, but oddly on the water, the parawing suddenly did not feel powerful at all. i could tell it was pulling me downwind, which probably accounted for the lack of power. i did eventually find enough power to stand up, but not enough to get going on foil. i knew in these winds i'd be flying on my 4.2 regular wing, so it was weird to me that a 5.1 couldn't get me going. i was on a mid length at 72L, and I'm about 88kgs, so i may have had better luck on my DWer board. Since i was getting pulled so far downwind, i had to abort, go back to beach, walk upwind, and retry. repeated two more times, with same results. never got up on foil.
My takeaways on this session were:
1- expect your arms to be lengthened holding onto this thing in strong winds on the beach.
2- it's much more difficult to get standing on your board versus a regular wing.
3- there is a technique to getting on foil which i haven't figured out yet. since pumping the wing does nothing, i think pumping your board will be crucial.
4- flying these bigger sized parawings appears to be night and day to flying the smaller ones. i don't have a smaller one, but the videos from Maui on 1.8 or 2.9 make flying these things look so easy. But imagine trying to fly a 12m kite with 3 foot lines and that's what the 5.1 is like. the smallest wrong input and the wing tips were in the water. so overall, not sure right now about the viability of anything but the smallest of these. but more experience is needed...
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finally got some brief wind with a storm yesterday. about 18-25 mph for half an hour. was very difficult holding the 5.1M on the beach in these winds, but i wanted to go out flying the wing, not deploying after on water. managed to get on my board, but oddly on the water, the parawing suddenly did not feel powerful at all. i could tell it was pulling me downwind, which probably accounted for the lack of power. i did eventually find enough power to stand up, but not enough to get going on foil. i knew in these winds i'd be flying on my 4.2 regular wing, so it was weird to me that a 5.1 couldn't get me going. i was on a mid length at 72L, and I'm about 88kgs, so i may have had better luck on my DWer board. Since i was getting pulled so far downwind, i had to abort, go back to beach, walk upwind, and retry. repeated two more times, with same results. never got up on foil.
My takeaways on this session were:
1- expect your arms to be lengthened holding onto this thing in strong winds on the beach.
2- it's much more difficult to get standing on your board versus a regular wing.
3- there is a technique to getting on foil which i haven't figured out yet. since pumping the wing does nothing, i think pumping your board will be crucial.
4- flying these bigger sized parawings appears to be night and day to flying the smaller ones. i don't have a smaller one, but the videos from Maui on 1.8 or 2.9 make flying these things look so easy. But imagine trying to fly a 12m kite with 3 foot lines and that's what the 5.1 is like. the smallest wrong input and the wing tips were in the water. so overall, not sure right now about the viability of anything but the smallest of these. but more experience is needed...
What point of sail were you pointing when trying to take off? Was there a longshore current as well?
regarding board sizing, I definitely think a neutral+ volume is the call until you find yourself bored, which will take a while surely.
If anyone wants to try hand kite cheaply theres a www.fiveowindsports.com/store/pocket-wing for sale secondhand on here.
Two handles?? www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Foiling-All-Foiling/~mks6b/2024-Five-O-Pocket-Wing.aspx?_page=1&search=QWFq4E3dZrrA9UhIOGFzNA%3D%3D
