Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..
So I gather the theory is more about running length distribution than volume distribution. Interesting...
I guess that also addresses my comment around volume/length specs (stretch out the length a bit, keep volume the same - but distribute to the center not rear, shift tracks forward)
Yup
I think they are combining two concepts that will work great on any foil but specially on HA foils,making them easier to use.
HA's require higher take off speed and more subtle AOA increase (or you just stall as MidAtlanticFoil said).
Straight bottom Tail:
-Maximize the waterline lenght
-Clean,low drag release
-Lift
To make the board sail fast in float/planing? mode.
Centered volume and Foil box:
The thin nose and tail thicknesses + the centered foil position give the lowest pitch inertia for that volume and lenght.
So you get the big board float with the small board responsiveness.
And they both make it harder to make abrupt AOA increases on liftoff,so less stalling.
They look superb IMHO.
Anyone know if you can use the larger sizes to sup foil? Or are they just dedicated to winging
Thanks
Select to expand quoteSupmaori said..
Anyone know if you can use the larger sizes to sup foil? Or are they just dedicated to winging
Thanks
I am getting the 6 4 to do both.
Select to expand quoteSupmaori said..
Anyone know if you can use the larger sizes to sup foil? Or are they just dedicated to winging
Thanks
Armstrong calls them "Wing SUP" boards.
Just ordered one for me and one for the wife.
Select to expand quotehilly said..Supmaori said..
Anyone know if you can use the larger sizes to sup foil? Or are they just dedicated to winging
Thanks
I am getting the 6 4 to do both.
Massive Hilly ..im thinking the 5'11 to do both..to give me something different to my 6'4 Naish . Not sure when they be here in NZ
Select to expand quoteSupmaori said..im thinking the 5'11 to do both..to give me something different to my 6'4 Naish . Not sure when they be here in NZ
Was tempted by the 5 11 but it would be tough for me as a sup. The bevels will make it unstable for its size. Saying that when I ordered I did not know the widths, the 6 4 may be a bit big on the ding, we will see.
Select to expand quotebaldy123 said..
Yes ok but what about the exact weights!??:-)
Anthing like the old designs they will be super light. I have preordered the 5'8 hoping to sup and wing on it.
Select to expand quotejohndg said..
Anthing like the old designs they will be super light. I have preordered the 5'8 hoping to sup and wing on it.
I am not to sure about that because the new boards look to have more foot strap mounts/holes in them which means perhaps more weight but I hope not?:-)
Only real world weight I have seen quoted is "60L is 10.1 lbs. (4.58 kgs)". Perhaps they have reduced some of the HD foam in the track boxes using the new 13" carbon tracks. This is a Very good innovation I think over 10" chinook boxes. Time will tell if they are really strong enough for punters hitting sandbars and reefs.
Damn that board looks the goods for multiple reasons. Ordering a 4'10 wing surf today.
Here's a quick video I shot yesterday riding the 60L (i'm 65kgs). Pretty boring conditions (flat w/out footstraps), but I wanted to get the board wet and try out my new wingmount cam mount made from a gopro headband mount.
Shows some starts, gybes, tacks, pumping, etc.
www.instagram.com/tv/CRQGkYwgsch/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
Here's a quick video I shot yesterday riding the 60L (i'm 65kgs). Pretty boring conditions (flat w/out footstraps), but I wanted to get the board wet and try out my new wingmount cam mount made from a gopro headband mount.
Shows some starts, gybes, tacks, pumping, etc.
www.instagram.com/tv/CRQGkYwgsch/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
What ya think of the board ?
Select to expand quoteeppo said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
Here's a quick video I shot yesterday riding the 60L (i'm 65kgs). Pretty boring conditions (flat w/out footstraps), but I wanted to get the board wet and try out my new wingmount cam mount made from a gopro headband mount.
Shows some starts, gybes, tacks, pumping, etc.
www.instagram.com/tv/CRQGkYwgsch/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
What ya think of the board ?
Having only tested in tame conditions so far (4 sessions) I wouldn't change a thing. Chomping at the bit to take it into the waves / wind swell and also mess with some airs so I can give a more well rounded review.
Main thing for me is I can finally get balance between both legs. Rear leg burn no more. Second huge win for me is the super fast acceleration to planning speed. I reckon I can get up in half the duration gust needed on my bevel tailed board. I feel like that has lowered the wind threshold for my HA1125 from 16+ range to 12+ (So long as 12mph gusts are sustained). Maybe two pumps and bam. Old board was like 4 pumps. When dealing with bigger wings 5M+ I can get a max of three big pumps before wingtips become an issue.
The deck pad is seriously amazing as well. Comfortable on knees and feet alike. Grippy as well.
Concaved deck is new to me and I really like it. It is seriously deep and if I offset my stance enough I can really leverage the rails almost like those snowboard bindings with raised toe beds. Central stance keeps you closer to the foil. May even be a touch of cant to the stance as well (front to back concave) which feels super comfy.
The forward handle placement results in a tail heavy carry for long distance walks, but my old board didn't have one so I'm used to a foil on the head or straight arm overhead holding the foil wing. I like the handle for the drainage factor alone.
I think the -5L differential and forward track placement will make things interesting in choppy conditions when I'm tired, so that is something I'll have to asses later. I'm hoping I won't have to 'Stinkbug' it and start laying down with front hand on front strut handle when starting, but that is probable.
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
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Main thing for me is I can finally get balance between both legs. Rear leg burn no more. ...
Why do you get leg burn? Why don't you just move your feet a little bit? Are you riding in straps? Where is your back foot relative to the mast?
Asking so I can understand the benefits of the forward track position. Apart from balancing swing weight it seems it could reduce possible differences between surface and foiling foot balance.
Gorgo it's the Armstrong curse. You ride army ?
I countered this by going to a minus 2 shim after getting as far forward in the mast track as possible and switching the chips for a tad more.
they just don't make boards with the mast position in the right place for army foils. Too far back.
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Atlantic thanks for the feedback. I'm getting a 4'10 prone so it will be interesting to see if the design helps with my less than average sink starting technique.
Select to expand quoteGorgo said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
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Main thing for me is I can finally get balance between both legs. Rear leg burn no more. ...
Why do you get leg burn? Why don't you just move your feet a little bit? Are you riding in straps? Where is your back foot relative to the mast?
Asking so I can understand the benefits of the forward track position. Apart from balancing swing weight it seems it could reduce possible differences between surface and foiling foot balance.
My previous board had short chinook tracks that were too far aft. I had been riding with a front foot strap but had to remove when using the HA1125. My stance kept creeping rear on the board to the point I felt like I was manualing a skateboard. Sort of like trying to force a twin tip snowboard board into the powder.slamming the bindings back only works so much
The FG board does away with that manual feeling and replaces it with a more balanced powder specific snowboard feel, both in the water and flying. My back foot moves around, but averages overtop the rear of the mast. Moves forward for takeoff and pumping. Moves back for maneuvers and going fast.
Keep in mind I'm only 65kgs and have only tested the HA wings on the FG board.
Select to expand quoteGorgo said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
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Main thing for me is I can finally get balance between both legs. Rear leg burn no more. ...
Why do you get leg burn? Why don't you just move your feet a little bit? Are you riding in straps? Where is your back foot relative to the mast?
Asking so I can understand the benefits of the forward track position. Apart from balancing swing weight it seems it could reduce possible differences between surface and foiling foot balance.
This is a fair question. I ride Armstrong and still have not solved the rear leg burn problem. Yes, moving my rear leg back some would help but when I do that, my stance feels unnaturally wide, especially when I am getting on a challenging wave. I could move my whole stance back (or mast forward) but then my front foot is not forward enough.
I think Armstrong is designed to not have a lot of lift when on a wave (Maybe for prone surfers catching a breaking wave) so I find myself having to increase rear leg pressure to keep the board from pointing down when I get on small to medium waves. When I get on bigger or faster waves, the leg pressures are more balanced. Most of my riding is wind swell which doesn't have the push of real breaking waves.
Have you tried a minus 2 shim? Or moving the mast forward (if possible). It solved my leg back leg pressure, created balance between feet and also felt I could ride faster and harder at it.
I can't wait to chuck that mast as forward as possible !!!! That's where it really gets fun and the beauty is the army foils love it to.
Id say the reason is the army foils are elegant in design and reward good riding. It's not a numpty obvious, in your face (well in your front foot) foil. Whilst okay for beginners, they get better and better as you get better.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Have you tried a minus 2 shim? Or moving the mast forward (if possible). It solved my leg back leg pressure, created balance between feet and also felt I could ride faster and harder at it.
I can't wait to chuck that mast as forward as possible !!!! That's where it really gets fun and the beauty is the army foils love it to.
Id say the reason is the army foils are elegant in design and reward good riding. It's not a numpty obvious, in your face (well in your front foot) foil. Whilst okay for beginners, they get better and better as you get better.
My old board had the mast slammed forward with washers flipped for that extra cm. The board would have been fine I think if I could have had the tracks forward an additional 4-6CM. Wish I had known when I had it custom made. The shaper wasn't an armstrong rider at the time.
I didn't like the -2 shim due to the increase in drag and mainly the propensity for lift surges when swell riding (i'm a lightweight). It also tightens up the ride a bit.
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..eppo said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
Here's a quick video I shot yesterday riding the 60L (i'm 65kgs). Pretty boring conditions (flat w/out footstraps), but I wanted to get the board wet and try out my new wingmount cam mount made from a gopro headband mount.
Shows some starts, gybes, tacks, pumping, etc.
www.instagram.com/tv/CRQGkYwgsch/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
What ya think of the board ?
Having only tested in tame conditions so far (4 sessions) I wouldn't change a thing. Chomping at the bit to take it into the waves / wind swell and also mess with some airs so I can give a more well rounded review.
Main thing for me is I can finally get balance between both legs. Rear leg burn no more. Second huge win for me is the super fast acceleration to planning speed. I reckon I can get up in half the duration gust needed on my bevel tailed board. I feel like that has lowered the wind threshold for my HA1125 from 16+ range to 12+ (So long as 12mph gusts are sustained). Maybe two pumps and bam. Old board was like 4 pumps. When dealing with bigger wings 5M+ I can get a max of three big pumps before wingtips become an issue.
The deck pad is seriously amazing as well. Comfortable on knees and feet alike. Grippy as well.
Concaved deck is new to me and I really like it. It is seriously deep and if I offset my stance enough I can really leverage the rails almost like those snowboard bindings with raised toe beds. Central stance keeps you closer to the foil. May even be a touch of cant to the stance as well (front to back concave) which feels super comfy.
The forward handle placement results in a tail heavy carry for long distance walks, but my old board didn't have one so I'm used to a foil on the head or straight arm overhead holding the foil wing. I like the handle for the drainage factor alone.
I think the -5L differential and forward track placement will make things interesting in choppy conditions when I'm tired, so that is something I'll have to asses later. I'm hoping I won't have to 'Stinkbug' it and start laying down with front hand on front strut handle when starting, but that is probable.
Great Feedback. I have some furthers questions.
1. This board seems to be specifically designed for armstrong foils. How would it perform with Axis foils?
2. Do the side bevels noticeably reduce the stability?
3. The padded deck looks to be a smaller area than other wing boards. Is this limiting at all, such as with switching feet, etc? Is this board meant to be ridden only on 1 side?
Thanks.
Select to expand quoterfh said..MidAtlanticFoil said..eppo said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
Here's a quick video I shot yesterday riding the 60L (i'm 65kgs). Pretty boring conditions (flat w/out footstraps), but I wanted to get the board wet and try out my new wingmount cam mount made from a gopro headband mount.
Shows some starts, gybes, tacks, pumping, etc.
www.instagram.com/tv/CRQGkYwgsch/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
What ya think of the board ?
Having only tested in tame conditions so far (4 sessions) I wouldn't change a thing. Chomping at the bit to take it into the waves / wind swell and also mess with some airs so I can give a more well rounded review.
Main thing for me is I can finally get balance between both legs. Rear leg burn no more. Second huge win for me is the super fast acceleration to planning speed. I reckon I can get up in half the duration gust needed on my bevel tailed board. I feel like that has lowered the wind threshold for my HA1125 from 16+ range to 12+ (So long as 12mph gusts are sustained). Maybe two pumps and bam. Old board was like 4 pumps. When dealing with bigger wings 5M+ I can get a max of three big pumps before wingtips become an issue.
The deck pad is seriously amazing as well. Comfortable on knees and feet alike. Grippy as well.
Concaved deck is new to me and I really like it. It is seriously deep and if I offset my stance enough I can really leverage the rails almost like those snowboard bindings with raised toe beds. Central stance keeps you closer to the foil. May even be a touch of cant to the stance as well (front to back concave) which feels super comfy.
The forward handle placement results in a tail heavy carry for long distance walks, but my old board didn't have one so I'm used to a foil on the head or straight arm overhead holding the foil wing. I like the handle for the drainage factor alone.
I think the -5L differential and forward track placement will make things interesting in choppy conditions when I'm tired, so that is something I'll have to asses later. I'm hoping I won't have to 'Stinkbug' it and start laying down with front hand on front strut handle when starting, but that is probable.
Great Feedback. I have some furthers questions.
1. This board seems to be specifically designed for armstrong foils. How would it perform with Axis foils?
2. Do the side bevels noticeably reduce the stability?
3. The padded deck looks to be a smaller area than other wing boards. Is this limiting at all, such as with switching feet, etc? Is this board meant to be ridden only on 1 side?
Thanks.
1. I think it would do fine with Axis, as the tracks are longer than standard and you can run them back further. For references, I've been running at a setting of 5 out of like 15. The smaller foil you run, the more benefit you will get out of forward tracks, I think.
2. Side to side stability feels great. Think the concave helps offset the bevels. Front to back is more noticeable. I can stuff the nose underwater by mistake when climbing on much easier than my previous 74L 5'1" board.
3. Padded deck area is perfect IMO. Just enough room for stance and no extra. Can set up Y style straps. Also room for toeside offset rear strap if riding one stance (me :) )
One thing to note is I believe the strap inserts are closer together when compared to my SKT 4'5.5". I think those inserts were based on Armies stance, which is probably much wider than the average rider given his height. This boards strapped stance is much more comfortable for my 5'10" height.
When i winged Armstrong HS, I tuned the foil to balance out using a chopped 300 tail shimmed for least lift. It's what the local Armstrong shop recommended. This shop is all hard core Armstrong riders. I tested the 232 tail anyway, and agreed with the shop opinion for winging. FYI, this shop recommended the 232 for prone. Tuned like this, Armstrong is fully compatible with other board brands.
Armstrong did hurt the track adjustability by making the base plate longer than other brands. It takes away about 3 cm of usable adjustment range with industry standard tracks. Even worse, this extra base plate length is all at the front, killing the ability to move it forward. I'm sure it was done for better loading. Back at the beginning, many windsurf foils had extended load bearing additions at the front. Now we know they are not needed.
Regarding Axis, the HPS wings require the mast back about 2-3 cm from other models in their lineup. So possibly the HPS won't work with the Armstrong board.
Select to expand quotejohndg said..
Anthing like the old designs they will be super light. I have preordered the 5'8 hoping to sup and wing on it.
Is there any news on the exact weights for all there wing/sup boards??:-)
Some have been reported by users-
Wing SUP -Size Vol Mass (Kg)
4'8"(50L) - 4.6
4'11"(60L) - 5.2
5'2.5"(75L) - 5.8
5'5"(88L)/5'8"(99L)/5'11"(115L)/6'4"(132L) - Unknown
Select to expand quotePasquales said..
Some have been reported by users-
Wing SUP -Size Vol Mass (Kg)
4'8"(50L) - 4.6
4'11"(60L) - 5.2
5'2.5"(75L) - 5.8
5'5"(88L)/5'8"(99L)/5'11"(115L)/6'4"(132L) - Unknown
I really want to know the exact weights for the other "unknown" boards but I think they are hiding the possible fact/s that they are not as light as the older models perhaps?:-)
