While I have tried the Konrad today I had a demo of the Axis V2 999 and very impressed.
I am 74kg kg and 78 yo next month and can do all the basics in windwing (26 continuous jybes in a row in the attached) and got 35.5 kph top speed on the V2.
Anyone compared the Konrad back to back with the Axis V2? I haven't bought the V2 yet.
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While I have tried the Konrad today I had a demo of the Axis V2 999 and very impressed.
I am 74kg kg and 78 yo next month and can do all the basics in windwing (26 continuous jybes in a row in the attached) and got 35.5 kph top speed on the V2.
Anyone compared the Konrad back to back with the Axis V2? I haven't bought the V2 yet.
That is very impressive, well done!
I also would love to see someone trying and comparing both.
I am trying to organise a demo of the Konrad so at least I can know which one of the two to target.
Ive had a few sessions on the 970 in unfamiliar spot offshore near cliffs super variable 0 to 18kn. If I only had hps I probably would have bolted on a 1050 to get me up and through the holes. The 999v1 would have failed for me here. All Konrad says above applied for me today. This thing is levels above the 999v1 and easily replaces my old favourite hps980 for lift, glide and turns amazing. I was using 820 mast instead of usual 900 coz of lack of depth and got a bit high a few times and it kind of lost traction a bit and just kept going.
Its just so good. I was going to demo the 999v2 to compare but Im not even curious now after a few hours on the LX.
Ordered, now just got to wait for the next production run to be sent from the factory. Looking forward to trying it.
I'm wondering, a month or two later, if anyone has had the chance to ride these wings back to back with the ART V2?
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I'm wondering, a month or two later, if anyone has had the chance to ride these wings back to back with the ART V2?
I've just received mine the other day & hopefully will get one of the local guys who has had a few V2s to try it & see what he thinks
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I've just received mine the other day & hopefully will get one of the local guys who has had a few V2s to try it & see what he thinks
Cool, thanks a lot. Let us know what you think as well 
If it helps I asked James (Konrad) and he said he hadn't tried the v2 but people who had told him they are faster but the lx is easier to ride. Higher camber so more lift I think.
I've ordered the lx970 over art v2 as that suits my level. They are constantly sold out so I'm waiting for the new batch. They must be doing something right as they are selling all they can make.
My 2c worth - 90 kg rider, using skinny stab, ultra short fuse.
i bought the lx760 a few sessions ago - it's been brilliant. Its lift means I can get on foil in 12-15 knots with a 5m wing - something the 999 would never do, chiefly because I can pump onto foil with the lx. It's just soooo turny and fun - turning qualities seem different to spitfires, hps and art foils - seems much more 'surfy'. Its stall speed is heaps lower than a 899, and it's very forgiving with tip breaches. In fact, its forgiving in general - I've ridden some decent bumps now, and haven't breached once. Best bit of kit I've bought.
Hi!
Someone told me now the code foil 980s is an great foil for winging and Surffoil. Also got camber and so very lifty. Can someone compare the Konrad LX to the code?
Cheers
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Hi!
Someone told me now the code foil 980s is an great foil for winging and Surffoil. Also got camber and so very lifty. Can someone compare the Konrad LX to the code?
Cheers
I ride code and the 980s is my light wind and small-med surf foil.
I use the 720s for anything bigger or windier. I've also had a brief wing on the Konrad LX (I ride Konrad boards) and it did feel very nice (although it was flat water haven't taken it out into the surf)
We do have a couple of better wingers riding the Konrad foils down here and it seems to be working well for them.
Hard to go wrong with either guess it depends what ecosystem you are already invested in.
Had my first really good session on the LX970 today. The wind hasn't been the best recently, either too much & messy or too little so hadn't had a chance to use it. The conditions were pretty flat so no waves as such but a bit of windsurfer wake I could thieve.
All up it went pretty well. I was using a ultra short advanced, 50 skinny & 800 alloy mast. It was relatively easy to pop up on foil for its' size but with a propensity to rise up quite rapidly. I shifted it forward in the tracks which seemed to help & also learnt to pump the wing a few times when rising to gain more speed otherwise it would drop back down again. Kinda felt like I was a beginner again.
On foil it flew pretty effortlessly & smoothly. It did drop down quite often over chop so I learnt to stay pretty high on the mast. I have ridden it with a crazyshort which feels like it provides a more intuitive experience over the chop but maybe with a bit more active input what is really than needed for it. Broached the tips a couple of times creating an air bubble line which looked quite cool. Carved pretty smoothly around the gybes. I tried to put my foot down & give it a bit of jandal but it reached its terminal velocity quickly which wasn't a particularly impressive speed but the LX is advertised as not being a high speed foil so that's pretty fair. Reasonable amount of glide but as it's the first HA foil I've ridden apart from the PNG 1300 I can't really compare it to anything.
I'm pretty happy with it. It does all I wanted it to do without the baggage of "should I have bought the bigger size or smaller size". It looks good out of its' case sitting on the mast & the Konrad crew were great to deal with.
I took a chance on one of these, the LX970, because I couldn't see what I was looking for in the bewilderingly large axis range. Basically a ~10 foil with a good low end, good pump and glide, that turns easily and is generally easy to fly. The Spitfire and HPS are a bit lower AR, and Spitfire (from what I've heard) and HPS (own experience) a bit lacking in glide. The ART999, which I've used a lot, is a nice wing but maybe doesn't have the best low end and not the best turning. The ART v2s I've heard don't have improved low end over the V1s. The fireballs sound great but for a slightly different use case. I also would like to trim my quiver, I don't want 10 front wings, would like to get down to 3 or max 4 and get them dialed.
I pretty much agree with microsurfer it's not the fastest, it's definitely slower than the ART 999. But it's got incomparable low end. I had one session winging it in rubbish wind, and it seemed very easy to pump onto foil, with the foil engaging early, almost comparable to the AP 1201. I've had about 5 foildrive surf session in various conditions from just about nothing to decent 3 foot head high+ faces. It's pretty much exactly what I was after, really easy to control, very forgiving, pumps nicely and from low speed - you can pump it out of a hole, very slow stall speed and predictable stall, turns nicely and overall just a great user friendly fun foil that seems to work across a range of conditions without having to mess around with different fuses and stabs. I tried it with a 360 skinny and a progressive 300 and they both worked great. Build quality seems great and in particular it feels very stiff.
For downwinding, I think it's going to be a great option for the local conditions here. For winging, unless it's really light, I'd probably want a bit more speed, so maybe an ART v2 or even a fireball might be a nicer winging wing, but maybe also better would be to size down to the 760 which sounds like will carry a bit more speed but still have great low end - based on reading this thread works great for bigger guys than me in all sorts of conditions.
After 8months of deliberations and looking at the new Duotone Glide 2.0 and comparing it to the LX970 AR , I thought what the hell let's give it a try, so I have put my order in. I have been riding the spitfire 960 which is mid AR and thought I'm not bothered about speed, I just want to glide on the chop we get when winging, so let's see how we go. Let's hope it arrives soon
I've got the LX760 and LX970. I got the LX970 for prone, and the LX760 for winging.
For prone the LX970 has been great - its given me a better balance of pumping and turning compared to what I could get on the Spitfires - I'm 95kg. I found the 970 breaches well too.
I winged the 760 for a few sessions until I broke it - I jumped it knowing Konrad state 'no jumping', and this resulted in a crease in front of the fuse socket. This is my fault of course - but for me means the 760 isn't suitable for winging. Basically for me the LX is a prone-only wing, but I guess this will depend on your style of winging. The few sessions I had on the 760 were very good, but I had a different experience that some of the others here:
- I found breaching to be not that good on the 760, which was a surprise after some of the reviews here, and somewhat different to my experience on the 970. The Spitfire breaches better than the 760 in my opinion.
- Turning was better than the Spitfire 840 in my opinion, despite being higher span. It is a loose surfy wing - felt great.
- I found it to be less pitch stable compared to the Spitfire.
- Low end was very good for a foil of its size, but of course there is a trade-off in speed. I find the Spitfire 840 faster and to have a broader speed range. I also found the stall speed to be higher on the 760, so I had to adjust my style when surfing the wave on the 760 - speed had to be kept a bit higher.
- As a HA foil, it didn't go so well through turbulence. Again, I prefer the Spitfire 840.
So, as annoying as it was to break the LX760 winging (I'll reiterate - this was my fault, not that of the foil!), I still prefer the Spitfire for winging and wouldn't get another LX760 even if I could jump it.
However, the LX970 will be my go-to for prone for now, although I'd be interested to try the ART 999 v2 for sure. I won't wing the 970, as I'd be concerned about breaking it.
I'd appreciate a bit of feedback from you more experienced foilers. I'm a novice/ slow learner foiler still trying to nail down my gybes. On a good day with flat water & consistent wind I can get most of them, foot swap & ride toeside.
In the chop & swell though I'm all over the place. I'm not after gybing advice but wondering if there is anything I can do with the foil or my setup to minimise the lifting effect I had yesterday. Yesterday it was blowing about 15-20+ knots with tide against wind creating thigh high waves. I was overpowered & found it really hard sometimes to keep the foil in the water. It would climb up a wave & I'd be riding right at the end of mast. It would mostly stay there & not breach but I found it hard to get it back down & control over it.
The foil is great & forgiving in most situations so not sure if it is my limited foiling ability, my setup or just par for the course with those conditions? Watching other foilers they all seemed to glide more evenly than what I felt I was. I also wonder if I'm getting blown upwards & can't apply front foot pressure?
Do you guys run your masts more forward for rougher conditions? Do you guys shim your stabs? I've heard shimming the front is good for lessening the lift effect. If you have, how many bread tags would you recommend?
I run a LX970 on a crazyshort with 50 skinny, 800 mast. I have tried an ultrashort however I found I crash more with it - I feel more locked into the foils trajectory & can't level it out as much. The crazyshort seems to me to give a more intuitive feeling where I can quickly level out the foil.
It'd be great to have some advice so I can try to progress.
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I'd appreciate a bit of feedback from you more experienced foilers. I'm a novice/ slow learner foiler still trying to nail down my gybes. On a good day with flat water & consistent wind I can get most of them, foot swap & ride toeside.
In the chop & swell though I'm all over the place. I'm not after gybing advice but wondering if there is anything I can do with the foil or my setup to minimise the lifting effect I had yesterday. Yesterday it was blowing about 15-20+ knots with tide against wind creating thigh high waves. I was overpowered & found it really hard sometimes to keep the foil in the water. It would climb up a wave & I'd be riding right at the end of mast. It would mostly stay there & not breach but I found it hard to get it back down & control over it.
The foil is great & forgiving in most situations so not sure if it is my limited foiling ability, my setup or just par for the course with those conditions? Watching other foilers they all seemed to glide more evenly than what I felt I was. I also wonder if I'm getting blown upwards & can't apply front foot pressure?
Do you guys run your masts more forward for rougher conditions? Do you guys shim your stabs? I've heard shimming the front is good for lessening the lift effect. If you have, how many bread tags would you recommend?
I run a LX970 on a crazyshort with 50 skinny, 800 mast. I have tried an ultrashort however I found I crash more with it - I feel more locked into the foils trajectory & can't level it out as much. The crazyshort seems to me to give a more intuitive feeling where I can quickly level out the foil.
It'd be great to have some advice so I can try to progress.
I have taken this foil in a variety of conditions and found it pretty user friendly and forgiving. I'm using the crazyshort advance with 45 skinny and 750 or 820 mast, so not too different, no shimming or anything. I'm inclined to try a bit of negative shim at some point.
Of course managing ocean conditions and doing stuff in them is a step up in relative difficulty vs flat water whatever foil you're on. This comes with practice and time on the water.
There's a bunch of other variables that you haven't mentioned that might make a difference, such as what size wing you were using to feel overpowered, your body weight, what board you're riding, where you're putting the mast, whether you're riding with straps etc. The LX970 does have a lot of lift but it seems to be able to hold down a fair amount of power (wind or wave) without getting overwhelmed. I find the center of lift slightly back, maybe a cm or 2, from e.g. the art pro or I imagine art v2 or spitfire.
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I'd appreciate a bit of feedback from you more experienced foilers. I'm a novice/ slow learner foiler still trying to nail down my gybes. On a good day with flat water & consistent wind I can get most of them, foot swap & ride toeside.
In the chop & swell though I'm all over the place. I'm not after gybing advice but wondering if there is anything I can do with the foil or my setup to minimise the lifting effect I had yesterday. Yesterday it was blowing about 15-20+ knots with tide against wind creating thigh high waves. I was overpowered & found it really hard sometimes to keep the foil in the water. It would climb up a wave & I'd be riding right at the end of mast. It would mostly stay there & not breach but I found it hard to get it back down & control over it.
The foil is great & forgiving in most situations so not sure if it is my limited foiling ability, my setup or just par for the course with those conditions? Watching other foilers they all seemed to glide more evenly than what I felt I was. I also wonder if I'm getting blown upwards & can't apply front foot pressure?
Do you guys run your masts more forward for rougher conditions? Do you guys shim your stabs? I've heard shimming the front is good for lessening the lift effect. If you have, how many bread tags would you recommend?
I run a LX970 on a crazyshort with 50 skinny, 800 mast. I have tried an ultrashort however I found I crash more with it - I feel more locked into the foils trajectory & can't level it out as much. The crazyshort seems to me to give a more intuitive feeling where I can quickly level out the foil.
It'd be great to have some advice so I can try to progress.
I have taken this foil in a variety of conditions and found it pretty user friendly and forgiving. I'm using the crazyshort advance with 45 skinny and 750 or 820 mast, so not too different, no shimming or anything. I'm inclined to try a bit of negative shim at some point.
Of course managing ocean conditions and doing stuff in them is a step up in relative difficulty vs flat water whatever foil you're on. This comes with practice and time on the water.
There's a bunch of other variables that you haven't mentioned that might make a difference, such as what size wing you were using to feel overpowered, your body weight, what board you're riding, where you're putting the mast, whether you're riding with straps etc. The LX970 does have a lot of lift but it seems to be able to hold down a fair amount of power (wind or wave) without getting overwhelmed. I find the center of lift slightly back, maybe a cm or 2, from e.g. the art pro or I imagine art v2 or spitfire.
Thanks for your reply. 86kgs & was riding a 5m wing on a 7'x20 LWDW board which is my daily driver (it is quite heavy so the weight should have mitigated its surface area) I should have had a 4m on at most but the wind came up quick. I realise there are a few variables however I guess my question is more of a generic one about whether or how I should adjust my setup for those kind of conditions.
Does anyone have a good condition used LX760 that they would like to part ways with? Please DM me if you do. Thanks!
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I'm struggling a bit with the concept.
The LX wing is great, I got the LX970. I think it's based on the lift 150 hax. It does a lot of things well and is quite different from all the axis wings I've owned and tried. It gave me a different experience without committing to the whole Lift setup. I like it enough to want to try the smaller one as well.
But if I wanted an Art V2 or an Art pro-like experience, why wouldn't I just get one of those? What am I missing?
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But if I wanted an Art V2 or an Art pro-like experience, why wouldn't I just get one of those? What am I missing?
I agree, I am a little puzzled too as the prices are also similar to the original Axis wings
For those using the LX970 for prone, what tails and shims are you finding work well. I'm currently using the skinny 365 with no shim, but getting a bit of a 'pitching down' feeling in turns, and at some other times (I think when speed increases suddenly). Moving the mast forward is not an option as I'm sometimes struggling to keep the board down taking off as it is. Anyone else experiencing this pitch behaviour on the LX? For context I'm a 95kg intermediate. Thanks.
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But if I wanted an Art V2 or an Art pro-like experience, why wouldn't I just get one of those? What am I missing?
I agree, I am a little puzzled too as the prices are also similar to the original Axis wings
I agree i dont see the point of buying a samed priced copy of axis. James is very knowledgeable on the phone and their website isnt the best so there might be some explanation for what he thinks hes improved. Id bet i personally wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Plus there would almost certainly be lower resale on konrad and some of the foils that have been copied are pretty available in the second hand market.
I would think copying the armstrong hav2 or code foils would have been much more interesting to axis riders as we cpuld sample wothout needing a full setup
I'm currently riding the lx960. My first ha foil, transitioning from armstrong as I found them too expensive. I'm on the advanced ultra short fuse and i have the konrad ar10 150 tail for winging (james talked me into it!) Also a progressive 375 tail that im using for learning prone.
Its my first HA foil but i find it easy to get to on foil and super responsive without being twitchy plus nice glide on gybes. Not that fast compared to others riding around me but ill probably buy a 760 and see how that handles in high wind.
For proning the take off is much smoother than my old hs armstrong foil so its easier for learning which i didnt expect.
Finally at last I tried my new LX970, started with the HPS1050, then to the Spitfire 960 and now this, wow what a game changer. I'm not looking for speed or radical surf, slash backs etc, just riding some pure swell and thats it. Love it paired it with a standard fuse and a skinny 365 as the spitfire was set up on the advance fuse. Now the Spitfire will get swapped and I will be rifing it next time with the skinny 362, advanced fuse and see how that works. I'm 87 kg riding a Fanatic Skye Style 5'1" 85ltr with a 90cm mast. It got me up so easy and was so easy to use, caught some swell and it just kept going and going, my only fault was my lack of surfing experience. Now I have no idea what to do with the AXIS as I don't see it fitting in my quiver anymore. This will get me going in light winds and I am sure I can hold it down in the strong winds as well. Maybe I will step down to the LX770 for really nuking days or try one of those newly released STX range, but doesn't list the AR value.
Awesome so far, and from the start of this topic through to the end it has just grown and gained more feedback, well done to all for info.
Hi Guys I'm always looking for a wing that suits manta takeoff I've been looking at the Lx970 for a while so I took the plunge and got one . I was originally riding code s , First ride I noticed it was very efficient and felt less draggy with the takeoff , it definitely rolled better in turns , and lift was better as well . I'm yet to have more sessions where I can get more feels . Definitely feel the quality is up there . lx970 , freak system mast and fuselage Ha tails
rider 80kg
takeoff assist rider
demos in Sydney
After many conversations with James who said you just need to ride it ! True
James trades in option is great if I want to buy another wing . I'll put another review once I've been on it for longer
thanks everyone on this forum you helped me out
I too am frothing over my LX970. Really easy take offs, excellent glide & rolls so well carving waves is a breeze.
Thanks for all the discussion on this thread. I am keen, but wondering whether to start with the LX970 or 760? Summary: I'm 75yo, 69kg, 168cm and a slow learner (as befits 75 years). I've done it for 2 years after a year on winDfoil. I'm foiling well on port tack, but struggling on starboard. (Balance is an enduring, but slowly diminishing problem.) I lean towards the 970 to start with. Where I wing-foil, it is often in the low 20knot range and rarely less than 16kn. At present, I'm still focused on getting my starboard reaching reliable. I still find that the slower the better is the go, so I've gone back to my old Axis 102cm wingspan learner front foil (instead of my HPS 980 & 1050, to slow me down to allow more time to correct pitch, etc.). So I guess the answer is to stick with that until I nail it. However, I'm thinking ahead a bit. So what I'm really asking is "When I get that nailed, should I persist with the HPSs or go straight to the LXs?
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Thanks for all the discussion on this thread. I am keen, but wondering whether to start with the LX970 or 760? Summary: I'm 75yo, 69kg, 168cm and a slow learner (as befits 75 years). I've done it for 2 years after a year on winDfoil. I'm foiling well on port tack, but struggling on starboard. (Balance is an enduring, but slowly diminishing problem.) I lean towards the 970 to start with. Where I wing-foil, it is often in the low 20knot range and rarely less than 16kn. At present, I'm still focused on getting my starboard reaching reliable. I still find that the slower the better is the go, so I've gone back to my old Axis 102cm wingspan learner front foil (instead of my HPS 980 & 1050, to slow me down to allow more time to correct pitch, etc.). So I guess the answer is to stick with that until I nail it. However, I'm thinking ahead a bit. So what I'm really asking is "When I get that nailed, should I persist with the HPSs or go straight to the LXs?
Hi taveray i think go with what gives you the most enjoyment , i would go the lx970 i went from code 980s to the LX and it rolls into turns just nicely , plenty of glide as well . don't forget changing fuse length and tails can change the total feel of the front wing , not to mention adding shim .5 or 1 can get the whole set up moving with less drag . definitely reach out to james from KONRAD he will definitely point you in the right direction .
good luck with your choice mate
