After about 5 years on Go Foil equipment, I'm assuming the V2 Masts don't work well with the boards I usually ride
- SailBoard Maui custom 60l
- Starboard Above 73l
- Minicuda 100L
The Go Foil mast has to be set too way back, which spoils a bit the features of these boards (it did work properly with GO FOIL boards).
So I'm considering switching to F-One.
Could anyone give me some first hand advice considering I ride:
1. Small surf and speed with Above and Sailboard Maui.
2. Parawing with the minicuda
I was thinking of SK8 V2 for the surf and speed.
What do you recommend for the Minicuda?
Yours is an interesting post for me as a GF rider. I'm currently on V1.5. I wonder that GF didn't just make the new front foils fit further forward by making a longer collar (maybe it would be a weakness concern?) instead of moving the fuse on the mast. The issue is this now also affects the tails. What is the effect of using older tails and foils on the V2, is the setup now NOT optimal?
I'd be happy to try a V1.5 light if they offered that.
I also ride with the mast right at the back and could use the V2 with the extra holes to get it a little further back but have not yet tried it. Guys at my local spot have good setups with V2L on new Armie and KT mid length boards. The guy on the Armie board is really fun to watch, he has his set up totally dialed and he tacks, jibes and jumps.
What have been your fav foils by the way. After having a hard time adjusting to the NL's I seem to have clicked with them and can't get enough now!
The V2 is definitely such an amazing mast. The problem is that the lift being so strong, in some boards it's just unrideable.
For instance, this is how I set it up with my KT board:
So the rear foot being so in front of the foil, the board doesn't feel swift at all.
(For some of my friends it was just unrideable).
I had to sell the board after just 3 months of use.
Regarding your question, my favorite foils is the RSX 975.
And if you have the chance I would recommend the new ONO tails!
But I'm tired of changing boards until I switched to V2 mast, so I'm done for good.
I'm all set for F-ONE.
975 looks good for jumping. I find the V1.5 is already front footed so I can't say that I'd want any more front foot pressure. I'd like to try out Lift or Duotone, anyway it's always fun to try something else. To give GF credit, over three years going and everything is solid. Looking out for those new tails.
GoFoil is coming out with a new mast. Should be out pretty soon. I still ride the 1.5 and waiting for the new one to come out. Ordered the new 750 front wing and Ono tail, should be here soon. I think the new mast is called the professional.
Sounds interesting, another version of the Light? I like the name! But will that mast be good for casuals? Maybe they could bring out a mast called 'just a bloke who enjoys foiling when the wind blows and he has some free time'. Keep us posted on how you enjoy the Ono tail and the new 750 wing. I haven't learned to use smaller wings yet, just dream about it for now!
not sure the spec's yet. I have seen vid's of it, looks pretty good. My new foil and tail came in, they look really good, now just need some wind to test them. I am usually riding the rs1150 and rs975 depending on conditions.
Oh that's interesting I am on the fence with the larger RS wings as I used to like the PNL but now prefer the NL's for speed and manoeuvrability in flat water, there is almost no swell where I wing. Maybe Im totally wrong but am under the impression the 975 has more bottom end than the 1150 - would that be true?
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Oh that's interesting I am on the fence with the larger RS wings as I used to like the PNL but now prefer the NL's for speed and manoeuvrability in flat water, there is almost no swell where I wing. Maybe Im totally wrong but am under the impression the 975 has more bottom end than the 1150 - would that be true?
The 975 is extreme fast and it stalls less that the 1150 (I normally ride the 1150 with the 14.5 tail, but the new ONO tails enhance the 1150 so much).
I did ask a person who is riding a PRO prototype and he confirmed the mast can go more forward. Which is great, but he is a salesperson and I find salespeople extremely untrustworthy
(*)
But hey, here is setting up much forward than what he would set the V2
Here you can see a video:
www.instagram.com/reel/DK4M6TwSwP1/?igsh=dnlwem52eW00ODZs
(*)I'm a salesman too;)
(I'm off OP's topic here but would the NL160 be a good 'fast wing' to start out for gustier days?)
Thanks for the video of supTomo - mast looks the most efficient yet, crazy thin mast to plate construction. The foil looks waaaay out front, I just don't think that will work for very small boards and maybe it'll induce 'flex' on the front part of the fuse. GF getting less draggy is great news! What is the next size up, I prefer to ride an 80 83 or 85 mast
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Oh that's interesting I am on the fence with the larger RS wings as I used to like the PNL but now prefer the NL's for speed and manoeuvrability in flat water, there is almost no swell where I wing. Maybe Im totally wrong but am under the impression the 975 has more bottom end than the 1150 - would that be true?
1150 is slower but has great glide and I can really take it down to extremely low speeds before it drops out. I like to use it if it's really gusty with big lulls, I can glide through the lulls easily. Or if there is no wind in the inside when riding waves and I need to get back out to the wind line. The 975 needs speed but is super turny and fun, if you have good waves or a lot of wind and speed it's hard to beat. It's a lot faster than the 1150 on the top end.
I can pump the 1150 up onto foil in really light wind. The 975 you need speed before you get up on foil, if you try to pump and are not going fast enough it just sinks.
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Oh that's interesting I am on the fence with the larger RS wings as I used to like the PNL but now prefer the NL's for speed and manoeuvrability in flat water, there is almost no swell where I wing. Maybe Im totally wrong but am under the impression the 975 has more bottom end than the 1150 - would that be true?
1150 is slower but has great glide and I can really take it down to extremely low speeds before it drops out. I like to use it if it's really gusty with big lulls, I can glide through the lulls easily. Or if there is no wind in the inside when riding waves and I need to get back out to the wind line. The 975 needs speed but is super turny and fun, if you have good waves or a lot of wind and speed it's hard to beat. It's a lot faster than the 1150 on the top end.
I can pump the 1150 up onto foil in really light wind. The 975 you need speed before you get up on foil, if you try to pump and are not going fast enough it just sinks.
100% correct.
975 and 825 are really only for winging in waves and not much else and they are the fastest of all the Gofoil front foils I have used. Some guys are SUP foiling the 975 but I prefer the 1150 and 850 for this.
Back to the OP, it's an expensive exercise to "change teams". I've only tried one board (Armstrong 50L FG) where my mast was jammed right back in the box. Everything else I've owned or tried has been at least a few inches forward of the back of the box. Right or wrong I'll remain on Gofoil despite the lure to the latest and greatest toys.
Staying off topic but on GF, now I've learned to pump the NL with more technique I prefer the flow and carve over the glide, how would the old GL140 stack up for windier days, there are a few of those around.
Two short runs on the new ha750 and Ono 140 tail. They are pretty awesome. I think I can get rid of 1150 and 975. It combines the best of both of those two into one foil. First session, it was 12 to 15 knots on a 5 meter wing and 60 ltr board. I kept my 14.5 short on and had no issues getting up on to foil. Super long easy gliding on small bumps. Next time it was blowing a bit more so I put the Ono 140 on, still no issues getting on foil and supper great glide. The HA750 is super turny feels like super loose skateboard trucks, they turn on a dime. Really love them!
Kemich, good to hear that, personally I can't realistically see myself getting up on anything under a 900cm2 (no bumps no swell)
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Two short runs on the new ha750 and Ono 140 tail. They are pretty awesome. I think I can get rid of 1150 and 975. It combines the best of both of those two into one foil. First session, it was 12 to 15 knots on a 5 meter wing and 60 ltr board. I kept my 14.5 short on and had no issues getting up on to foil. Super long easy gliding on small bumps. Next time it was blowing a bit more so I put the Ono 140 on, still no issues getting on foil and supper great glide. The HA750 is super turny feels like super loose skateboard trucks, they turn on a dime. Really love them!
Is the ONO much faster than the FT14?
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Kemich, good to hear that, personally I can't realistically see myself getting up on anything under a 900cm2 (no bumps no swell)
not sure your conditions, but it got up as easy as the 1150 in light winds, I was pretty surprised.
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Two short runs on the new ha750 and Ono 140 tail. They are pretty awesome. I think I can get rid of 1150 and 975. It combines the best of both of those two into one foil. First session, it was 12 to 15 knots on a 5 meter wing and 60 ltr board. I kept my 14.5 short on and had no issues getting up on to foil. Super long easy gliding on small bumps. Next time it was blowing a bit more so I put the Ono 140 on, still no issues getting on foil and supper great glide. The HA750 is super turny feels like super loose skateboard trucks, they turn on a dime. Really love them!
Is the ONO much faster than the FT14?
It felt faster, but I really only had an hour on it and I was on my own so it was hard to judge speed. I will get back after further testing.
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After about 5 years on Go Foil equipment, I'm assuming the V2 Masts don't work well with the boards I usually ride
- SailBoard Maui custom 60l
- Starboard Above 73l
- Minicuda 100L
The Go Foil mast has to be set too way back, which spoils a bit the features of these boards (it did work properly with GO FOIL boards).
So I'm considering switching to F-One.
Could anyone give me some first hand advice considering I ride:
1. Small surf and speed with Above and Sailboard Maui.
2. Parawing with the minicuda
I was thinking of SK8 V2 for the surf and speed.
What do you recommend for the Minicuda?
I do want to say tails make a huge difference for gofoil. I had the same issue you had, but I was on a short board with fixed straps and I could not move the straps farther forward. I was using the 20 tail, I move to the 14 and I could then move my mast forward in the track. those tails have a ton of additional lift. You could try smaller tails instead of switching gear.
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Oh that's interesting I am on the fence with the larger RS wings as I used to like the PNL but now prefer the NL's for speed and manoeuvrability in flat water, there is almost no swell where I wing. Maybe Im totally wrong but am under the impression the 975 has more bottom end than the 1150 - would that be true?
1150 is slower but has great glide and I can really take it down to extremely low speeds before it drops out. I like to use it if it's really gusty with big lulls, I can glide through the lulls easily. Or if there is no wind in the inside when riding waves and I need to get back out to the wind line. The 975 needs speed but is super turny and fun, if you have good waves or a lot of wind and speed it's hard to beat. It's a lot faster than the 1150 on the top end.
I can pump the 1150 up onto foil in really light wind. The 975 you need speed before you get up on foil, if you try to pump and are not going fast enough it just sinks.
I'm a bit heavier at 90kg, and ride the V2 mast with 1150RS and 14.5 long tail for winging and small wave prone or supfoil. I switched to Code 980S as my prone set up and would never go back as it pumps so much better than GF, glides better, doesn't breach out of turns or pumping out the back of a wave, and doesn't over lift on take offs (78cm NoLimitz mast with 150 or 158AR tails.)
For winging, though, I still use the GF as it is more durable, it works better for lifting an older wide style or low volume wing board, and I think the jibing feel is better also. The Code 980s is too big when powered, so need an 850s which really needs a midlength type board to get me going unless super powered... to the OP, Skate V2 sounds like a great upgrade!
I agree GF is durable and easy to switch out front foil or tail, pop one screw and bang with your hammer! Where they may have been outdone is in efficiency and providing the rider with foils that do exactly what they want. Also the only really full available foil range is the GT, other foils are one off's or a limited range of sizes.
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After about 5 years on Go Foil equipment, I'm assuming the V2 Masts don't work well with the boards I usually ride
- SailBoard Maui custom 60l
- Starboard Above 73l
- Minicuda 100L
The Go Foil mast has to be set too way back, which spoils a bit the features of these boards (it did work properly with GO FOIL boards).
So I'm considering switching to F-One.
Could anyone give me some first hand advice considering I ride:
1. Small surf and speed with Above and Sailboard Maui.
2. Parawing with the minicuda
I was thinking of SK8 V2 for the surf and speed.
What do you recommend for the Minicuda?
I ride gofoil but have tried a friend's 1050 sk8 v1 a couple of times and a 890 eagle.
Those foils are far superior to all of the gofoils I have tried for the use that I want, which is winging in waves. Much more glide, speed and better foot pressure.
Construction Is beautiful not like painted gofoil.
Only downside for me is the connection between fuse and mast.
GF gear used is great, even fantastic, value, solid and performs but I doubt the OP will be miserable if he makes the move (I wonder if anyone really likes the painted finish, not sure for the reasons behind that choice, but black does get insanely hot sitting on the beach!)
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GF gear used is great, even fantastic, value, solid and performs but I doubt the OP will be miserable if he makes the move (I wonder if anyone really likes the painted finish, not sure for the reasons behind that choice, but black does get insanely hot sitting on the beach!)
I can argue with that, mostly all of the gofoil designs are old and hard to sell.
It does work but actually, everything does work. All foils, all brands.
I remember there was some guy making a foil out of windsurf fins and it worked. Almost everything works. What we talk about here is improving performance, and the topic of this was that fone outrides gofoil nowadays.
The gofoil mast is black, so it's the same as other brands.
Problem with the painting is that it looks cheap and actually is cheap. You can't argue with that. And in the end if you like the painted finish, it's easy to get on top of the carbon. Gofoil is not cheap, but it does have the cheapest finishing of all the brands.
Don't take all of this as hate for the brand, actually I think is one of the best systems. But it needs to be improved.
This is something Alex should move from to make the brand better. Is like he doesn't listen to the users.
Nobody likes the mast position (no one), not a lot of fans of the paint, and those steps are getting in the way. But he still goes in the same direction after years of people going out of the brand.
Should take an example of what's top nowadays (kt, code, fone and even gong), all clean designs that perform great, with no tips or steps and no paint. All what everyone is looking for.
Yes, I was trying to say the same thing more subtly, this is why people love foils (not necessarily the whole system) like the phantom, kujira, ML and the Duotone carve among others
I have thought about switching brands on and off but I have stuck with GoFoil for a couple of reasons and just to frame this I am using my equipment in limited test cases. I really only wing and only wing in waves from knee to a bit overhead and they are pretty weak waves at that. I am not downwinding or proning. It's usually out to the take off point, ride the waves in and repeat. Throw some jumping in there for some fun every once in a while.
1. Cost, it's very costly to switch brands, especially the one getting the latest attention. GoFoil still remain pretty reasonable. The paint doesn't bother me, I usually get scratches on them, so I am sanding them anyway. The funky tips, not sure if they do anything, they don't seem to hurt anything.
2. I have winged around others on the latest and greatest gear and they are doing the something I am doing, they don't seem to have any great advantage. In fact I think I have the advantage in many areas. GoFoil tend to have great lift at low speeds so I can get up in the lightest of breezes with say the 1150 and now the HA750.
3. My skill level hasn't surpassed what GoFoil offers. It did get close, the 1150 is nice, but it's not the turniest and on bigger waves it will get overfoiled and get uncomfortable. The 975 can handle bigger waves and turns great, but requires more wind and speed to keep going. So I just swapped wings based on conditions and usually it worked. But on big days with light wind on the inside, the 975 would drop from the air and I would be in trouble. I couldn't use the 1150 because the waves were to big. Those are rare days, if it's big it is usually blowing pretty hard. I am hoping the HA750 will fill those big days when it's light on the inside, I will still be able to glide out of trouble. So far it seems it will be good for that.
Guess what I am saying is, change brands for good reasons, not because someone else says the other brand is better, or that you like the finish on one brand. If your skill out performs you current brand look elsewhere. If you have ton's of extra money, switch all the time and try as many different brands as you can. Wish I could do that, but I have pretty limited funds for winging, so I have to have pretty good reasons to switch.
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I have thought about switching brands on and off but I have stuck with GoFoil for a couple of reasons and just to frame this I am using my equipment in limited test cases. I really only wing and only wing in waves from knee to a bit overhead and they are pretty weak waves at that. I am not downwinding or proning. It's usually out to the take off point, ride the waves in and repeat. Throw some jumping in there for some fun every once in a while.
1. Cost, it's very costly to switch brands, especially the one getting the latest attention. GoFoil still remain pretty reasonable. The paint doesn't bother me, I usually get scratches on them, so I am sanding them anyway. The funky tips, not sure if they do anything, they don't seem to hurt anything.
2. I have winged around others on the latest and greatest gear and they are doing the something I am doing, they don't seem to have any great advantage. In fact I think I have the advantage in many areas. GoFoil tend to have great lift at low speeds so I can get up in the lightest of breezes with say the 1150 and now the HA750.
3. My skill level hasn't surpassed what GoFoil offers. It did get close, the 1150 is nice, but it's not the turniest and on bigger waves it will get overfoiled and get uncomfortable. The 975 can handle bigger waves and turns great, but requires more wind and speed to keep going. So I just swapped wings based on conditions and usually it worked. But on big days with light wind on the inside, the 975 would drop from the air and I would be in trouble. I couldn't use the 1150 because the waves were to big. Those are rare days, if it's big it is usually blowing pretty hard. I am hoping the HA750 will fill those big days when it's light on the inside, I will still be able to glide out of trouble. So far it seems it will be good for that.
Guess what I am saying is, change brands for good reasons, not because someone else says the other brand is better, or that you like the finish on one brand. If your skill out performs you current brand look elsewhere. If you have ton's of extra money, switch all the time and try as many different brands as you can. Wish I could do that, but I have pretty limited funds for winging, so I have to have pretty good reasons to switch.
Totally agree. The rounded edges make a much safer foil too. Have you tried the 1000RS? It's somewhere between the 1150RS and 975 and a great foil. People who don't like paint must not hit reefs much. The blue and red paint really does protect the foil. The black, not so much...
Alright so my contribution to the French economy is almost complete: Yesterday I finally got my first FOne foil:
- 80cm mast
- Eagle x 1000
- 145 tail
I tried to parawing it on the Minicuda (100l) and it was simply unrideable (I even thought there had to be some sort of error with the tail setting but according to the website and the dealer it is correct). Next time I will try it with the wing to get more consistent power.
As I had to paddle back a solid mile though
, one thing I can say is that the paddle is much faster than the Gofoil one, so I'm assuming the hydrodynamics are more efficient in the FOne.
Hopefully next time I get the foil planing lol.
By the moment there's no way I can ditch the GoFoil though.
SK8 is coming soon so I'll keep everyone posted.
