Great discussion as I have also thought about if a jump to Sabfoil is worth it. Currently riding army 1125 and 925 on the 85 mast and 60f, v200 tail and 212.
68kg rider
Mainly winging but would love to DWind sup foil when I find the right board. Was eyeing up the Army 1325 but reading here maybe the 1110 is the ticket for downwinding?!
Also anyone know if the Sabfoil mast (82/92) is stiffer then the Armstrong? I'm also jumping, what would people think is the strongest gear?? (Have seen some photos army mast cracking at fuse connection)
Chrs
Select to expand quotehanza1111 said..
Great discussion as I have also thought about if a jump to Sabfoil is worth it. Currently riding army 1125 and 925 on the 85 mast and 60f, v200 tail and 212.
68kg rider
Mainly winging but would love to DWind sup foil when I find the right board. Was eyeing up the Army 1325 but reading here maybe the 1110 is the ticket for downwinding?!
Also anyone know if the Sabfoil mast (82/92) is stiffer then the Armstrong? I'm also jumping, what would people think is the strongest gear?? (Have seen some photos army mast cracking at fuse connection)
Chrs
I went from sabfoil -> armie -> gofoil, I should've just gone from sabfoil -> gofoil, but a heavy rider.
I have no affiliation with gofoil, but their gear is great, strong thin mast (way better than sabfoil 92 or armie), RS wings are so much fun, only winging.
I am still with sabfoil 800 for kiting.
I'd recommend a demo if you can before buying any gear
Select to expand quotehanza1111 said..
Great discussion as I have also thought about if a jump to Sabfoil is worth it. Currently riding army 1125 and 925 on the 85 mast and 60f, v200 tail and 212.
68kg rider
Mainly winging but would love to DWind sup foil when I find the right board. Was eyeing up the Army 1325 but reading here maybe the 1110 is the ticket for downwinding?!
Also anyone know if the Sabfoil mast (82/92) is stiffer then the Armstrong? I'm also jumping, what would people think is the strongest gear?? (Have seen some photos army mast cracking at fuse connection)
Chrs
Jumping from army to sabfoil I've found the 82 mast is stiffer and the whole kit is just way more balanced. So far I've found the 1110 the most efficient best gliding foil I've ridden. I've done my longest multiple link ups prone surfing and winging I've been able to catch bumps I never thought I could ride. I would say it would sit between the 1125 and the 1325 just a little more efficient. From all my mates on army the 925 has been a great foil for them and they are really happy with it. I would compare it to the w1000. A lot of the voyage foilers have used the w1000 for down winding and said it's super smooth. And would be great for you at only 68kgs
im looking forward to the right conditions so I can try out the 1110 on a prone down winder. As I'm 82kgs.
where abouts are you located? It's definitely worth demoing gear if possible.
Select to expand quotewicka said..hanza1111 said..
Great discussion as I have also thought about if a jump to Sabfoil is worth it. Currently riding army 1125 and 925 on the 85 mast and 60f, v200 tail and 212.
68kg rider
Mainly winging but would love to DWind sup foil when I find the right board. Was eyeing up the Army 1325 but reading here maybe the 1110 is the ticket for downwinding?!
Also anyone know if the Sabfoil mast (82/92) is stiffer then the Armstrong? I'm also jumping, what would people think is the strongest gear?? (Have seen some photos army mast cracking at fuse connection)
Chrs
Jumping from army to sabfoil I've found the 82 mast is stiffer and the whole kit is just way more balanced. So far I've found the 1110 the most efficient best gliding foil I've ridden. I've done my longest multiple link ups prone surfing and winging I've been able to catch bumps I never thought I could ride. I would say it would sit between the 1125 and the 1325 just a little more efficient. From all my mates on army the 925 has been a great foil for them and they are really happy with it. I would compare it to the w1000. A lot of the voyage foilers have used the w1000 for down winding and said it's super smooth. And would be great for you at only 68kgs
im looking forward to the right conditions so I can try out the 1110 on a prone down winder. As I'm 82kgs.
where abouts are you located? It's definitely worth demoing gear if possible.
Thanks! That helps a bit
I'm in Auck nz, have a local dealer can ask
I was thinking whether the 82 mast would be the straight replacement for 85 army in feel, was actually thinking going 92 sab for winging (and maybe add an 82 for prone down the road), am I right?
Yup was wandering how a new quiver would look like to replace my current for winging and dw.
Guess it's 1110 eventually, 1000 and 800 for windy days?
Only thing is these wings look very sharp! Do we know if a lot of glide is lost if we sand down a bit the trailing edge? Like we aren't racing
So what wings would I be looking at to get a bit more turning? 940 looks nice and would still glide good?
Also balz 899/799 etc says good for jumping freestyle pop. Is this true as I would like to do more of this eventually. Balz also look like they would turn nice, but some glide lost? But those round tips are appealing for freestyle.
If I was to do some prone surf foil what would be replace Armstrong 1250, or ha925 (w1000 I guess) for a bit of nice surfing and a bit of good pump and glide?
Sorry it's like starting over again, haha
Tails?! Army 212 (232 chopped) and v200(turning), and I was going to look at getting the new 195ha (glider)
What would replace these I'm sab... 370 and 399 (one for speed/ upwind angles and dw, and one for turning better?
Sorry wrote a bit much now. Any help appreciated, and sure this info will help someone.
Cheers
If you have the time to wait and can splash the extra money: get an Cedrus mast.I have the 82 and it is stiff enough for a bit of swell riding and flying back and forth. A friend of me has the 92 and is jumping well with it, but none of our masts are getting close to the Cedrus a buddy of us uses, so I would rather go for 1 Cedrus instead of 2 different length masts. Bonus: with an adapter you can switch easier/saves you a kidney if you want to switch between brands 
Stabs:
I'm close to 100kg and tried the 370 but that makes the set a bit too loose for my mediocre skills on the shorter kite fuse.399 is small and fast enough for me and I use it 50% of the time. The rest i,m on the 425. The 425 is a big 370, fast and maneuverable enough for me but a bit easier/less nervous, probably overkill when you are more skilled. @Wicka:The 1110 is a beast!Yesterday I was finally back in the water after 5 weeks recovery from a surf ear surgery and because i,m not 100% fit I went to a lake nearby with my big board. Air 7degree and 5m windEven on a lake of a couple of KM long I could ride with the 1110 the calf high windwaves for like 20 seconds. really unbrelievable
Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..
If you have the time to wait and can splash the extra money: get an Cedrus mast.I have the 82 and it is stiff enough for a bit of swell riding and flying back and forth. A friend of me has the 92 and is jumping well with it, but none of our masts are getting close to the Cedrus a buddy of us uses, so I would rather go for 1 Cedrus instead of 2 different length masts. Bonus: with an adapter you can switch easier/saves you a kidney if you want to switch between brands
Stabs:
I'm close to 100kg and tried the 370 but that makes the set a bit too loose for my mediocre skills on the shorter kite fuse.399 is small and fast enough for me and I use it 50% of the time. The rest i,m on the 425. The 425 is a big 370, fast and maneuverable enough for me but a bit easier/less nervous, probably overkill when you are more skilled. @Wicka:The 1110 is a beast!Yesterday I was finally back in the water after 5 weeks recovery from a surf ear surgery and because i,m not 100% fit I went to a lake nearby with my big board. Air 7degree and 5m windEven on a lake of a couple of KM long I could ride with the 1110 the calf high windwaves for like 20 seconds. really unbrelievable
Couldn't agree more about the mast! If I had my time again I would have got the Cedrus just for the ability to be able to try other mates foils.
In terms of stabs, I'm a little lighter than you at 82kgs. I found the 425 a little slow and draggy and heaps of front foot pressure. I just love the 399 it's fast, has nice grip just made the complete setup perfectly ballanced for me. I feel you need a fast efficient tail to get the most out of the higher aspect, efficient foils otherwise it feels like your dragging weed behind you.
I got to try out the new 376 (smaller version of the 399) yesterday. And found it was a little too small for my weight. It's fast, more Maneuverable and next to no drag but to get even foot pressure I had to have the mast all the way forward in the box and my foot straps all the way at the back of the board which I didn't like as it increases the swing weight. (I ride the ensis 57L) but for someone say sub 70kgs or for prone surfing when you can move your feet to compensate I think it would be really good!
Hey Jeroen,
I see you are riding the Skywing 2022 and use the extra holes on the SABmast plate to put it as forwrd as you can. Is it still OK or would you be happier with rails a bit further forward with the 1110 setup? Also the 425 should give you more lift then the 399?
I wish they put rails more at the front for SAB users and heavier riders !
tx
Select to expand quoteArtemN said..
Thanks for sharing your experience @wicka! The grass is not always greener on the other side in this case I guess.
The same here, never had to deal with any shims, it just works nicely out of the box. Another thing is it takes only 2 screws to remove/swap gliders on SAB, on Armstrong it's way more work/screws and you need to carry a mallet to the beach 
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I thought the shims are for the professionals to have more options. Sab's mast installation system is indeed innovative. But it still needs a lot of screws, different from the Armstrong A+ system t-screw at the bottom, sab imploys the vertical screws, which means a thinner upper end (the screw holes need space) of the mast. We all know that's one of the sections that takes most of the impact when riding, is it really a scientific innovation? I doubt it.
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Hey Jeroen,
I see you are riding the Skywing 2022 and use the extra holes on the SABmast plate to put it as forwrd as you can. Is it still OK or would you be happier with rails a bit further forward with the 1110 setup? Also the 425 should give you more lift then the 399?
I wish they put rails more at the front for SAB users and heavier riders !
tx
Hi Frankie, sorry I missed your post completely in feb.
The standard holes are just enough, but with the 2th row I had a bit more space to play with.
I,m a 100kg so not exactly a featherweight but the rails position is just right for me. With the Rails further forward as with my AK5.8 it would make the board ride-feel differently, and I don,t know if it would suit the shape/feel they seem to be looking for. The fanatic is simply more surfed from the tail/foot almost against the kicker where I surf my AK a bit in front of the kicker.
Stabs: 425 vs 399: I,m not sure one will ad more lift as they other, but the 425 is more stable and easier to pump at the expense of the topspeed.
Select to expand quotekiwiupover said..
Was talking with Sam at PPC a few weeks back and he mentioned he's using SAB over Armstrong at the moment because he likes them for for the outright speed he can get :-)
Objection, hearsay.
