What's the latest thoughts on board volume once you've sussed things out on a body weight plus board? Just skip down to prone board vol or another step in between? Seems prone will be easier to sink and maintain metacentric height while you grab the wing.
I have no interest in the light wind malakas so assume minimum 20 knots.
Those on prone volume boards are you riding with straps?
How enthusiastic are you?
We have 65kg dudes on 32L boards, but most ride a board equal to their weight around the time they get to an intermediate level.
You want to be dedicated to the cause when you start to go small.
82kg of enthusiasm. The wing boards just feel
like such a lump compared to a prone board. I'm on 95L 5'4 Fanatic.
Select to expand quoteGannet said..
82kg of enthusiasm. The wing boards just feel
like such a lump compared to a prone board. I'm on 95L 5'4 Fanatic.
Imagine my pleasure in moving from an 8' 150L to 5'8 110L. ??
Select to expand quoteGannet said..
82kg of enthusiasm. The wing boards just feel
like such a lump compared to a prone board. I'm on 95L 5'4 Fanatic.
Yeh exact same weight, exact same board and exact same lump feel compared to my prone board. Came from a 130 litre boat to the fanatic and two weeks later was like .... what you said.
that being said, I figured at my beginner to intermediate level that it will do for a year, better to learn n?w stuff, ground out the basics and safer to as you start to hit the offshore wind stuff you never would on a kite. Easy water starts mean more time on the board and less time and energy flapping about in the water.
It pumps like a pig and turns like a barge... but yeah I certainly need to skill up a lot.
I think once you can pump up on foil in light wind and have your gybes and tacks nailed you need 2 boards.
1.Volume around your body weight, as short and light as possible. Good for light days and when winds are gusty , offshore or fluky.
2.Volume about half your body weight with straps, so you can sink it easily. Good for days when wind is solid +20knts. This board doubles as a surf foil board.
Boards with volume in between have no advantages I can see.
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I think once you can pump up on foil in light wind and have your gybes and tacks nailed you need 2 boards.
1.Volume around your body weight, as short and light as possible. Good for light days and when winds are gusty , offshore or fluky.
2.Volume about half your body weight with straps, so you can sink it easily. Good for days when wind is solid +20knts. This board doubles as a surf foil board.
Boards with volume in between have no advantages I can see.
100% agree
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I think once you can pump up on foil in light wind and have your gybes and tacks nailed you need 2 boards.
1.Volume around your body weight, as short and light as possible. Good for light days and when winds are gusty , offshore or fluky.
2.Volume about half your body weight with straps, so you can sink it easily. Good for days when wind is solid +20knts. This board doubles as a surf foil board.
Boards with volume in between have no advantages I can see.
Interesting I was thinking that I might need two board. I have a board around my weight to get easy on the board and to learn new stuff.
I am looking for a smaller board for the nice condition. The recommendation is Volume about half your body weight with strap?
Is that where others are going or a board between for knee start maybe the softer approach?
I am old (74) with weak legs so need plenty of volume to be able to get up from kneeling.
But once up no problems.
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I am old (74) with weak legs so need plenty of volume to be able to get up from kneeling.
But once up no problems.
Even kids needs bigger board unless they snob low wind or they have have reliable steady wind. Here, many days are 8-12knts and do shut down. It's gusty, sometime very offshore. I thing it's a good thing to have a board on what you can be on your feet waiting the wind to come back if you want to ride everywhere, unless you snob those day but I don't have the luxury unfortunately. For myself it's 20L-30L + my weight, for other it could be less or more, depend of the ability.
i think in that department, i wonder if heavier riders can pick board closer to their weight, at 100kg boards of 100L-120L are way wider than boards at 65-85L?
I have a sup that is +35L (haven't used since first few months of use), a wing board that is +5 or 10L and a prone that is half liters. I'm super psyched to get the prone out winging after starting to catch some air on the wing board (highly addicting and easy)
last session in gusty offshore winds wave riding, I may have been better suited with the sup as opposed to the wing board due to the lulls and the stamina it took to balance or give up and kneel in between gusts.
The half volume per weight board ... need straps if you don't intent to jump on it ?
I'm looking at the 'wingers' for a while. They slide smoothly in conditions when I have to switch to my 17m kite and a lightwind twintip. Not to mention their upwind ability is enviable. Long story short, after 10 years of kiting I've decided to taste the flavor of wing-foiling. I read a lot about it but I have no possibility to try/rent a gear. So, I'll buy it. Not sure how different are the dings. But I assume the board and foil are more important. I will look for a low aspect front wing with plenty of lift capability.a Naish JET 2000 COMPLETE maybe or something similar. I would need help with the board though. They are pretty expensive (yeah...the foils as well...). From one hand I would like a board that fits for a beginner. On the other hand I don't want a board that I'll outgrow within a short period of time. So, in your experience what board should I look for? My weight is 90kg. I assume I should start with a board that has enough volume and won't sink under my weight. I've read about recommendations like rider's weight +40liter. That sounds a bit too much for me. A 130liter board is pretty bulky. I would use it for wingfoiling only, light, mainly in 13-14 knots, choppy conditions. It depends on the board weight and construction as well, but don't you think a 110liter board would be enough for a 90kg rider? Like HOVER WING/SUP 110 liter? Let me know what's your experience. Thanks
Lot of words there but yeh 90kg, 110L would be fine. If you can borrow a big barge to start with though (say 130h would be useful. But some punishment and decent learning curve 110 will even feel big at 90kg.
that's the problem with learning this new sport. Within a weekor two you have already outgrown your learning board. Or like my son did two sessions on my 40l prone then sunk started his tiny 4 foot prone from the third go on. Little prick.
Just dinged my prone board 40 lts with no straps , lots of swearing and foil into ding repair needed. Once up and going absolute gold compared to SUP, but need 20 kns with 4m wing.
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Lot of words there but yeh 90kg, 110L would be fine. If you can borrow a big barge to start with though (say 130h would be useful. But some punishment and decent learning curve 110 will even feel big at 90kg.
that's the problem with learning this new sport. Within a weekor two you have already outgrown your learning board. Or like my son did two sessions on my 40l prone then sunk started his tiny 4 foot prone from the third go on. Little prick.
Thanks. So, starting with big volume is a golden rule. Then going down to a board around my weight....gosh, another investment....
Select to expand quotejb74 said..eppo said..
Lot of words there but yeh 90kg, 110L would be fine. If you can borrow a big barge to start with though (say 130h would be useful. But some punishment and decent learning curve 110 will even feel big at 90kg.
that's the problem with learning this new sport. Within a weekor two you have already outgrown your learning board. Or like my son did two sessions on my 40l prone then sunk started his tiny 4 foot prone from the third go on. Little prick.
Thanks. So, starting with big volume is a golden rule. Then going down to a board around my weight....gosh, another investment....
But you can get pretty small 110L boards.... a Fanatic 110L is 5'8".
Gong Hipe 110L is 5'3" and not particularly expensive. Also you won't ding it in a shore break. Their foils a pretty decent too.
Can't comment on the wing.
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Gong Hipe 110L is 5'3" and not particularly expensive. Also you won't ding it in a shore break. Their foils a pretty decent too.
Can't comment on the wing.
Gong Hipe is inflatable. Is that right? At least this is what I see on Gong's site for the Hipe model.
Select to expand quotebigtone667 said..jb74 said..eppo said..
Lot of words there but yeh 90kg, 110L would be fine. If you can borrow a big barge to start with though (say 130h would be useful. But some punishment and decent learning curve 110 will even feel big at 90kg.
that's the problem with learning this new sport. Within a weekor two you have already outgrown your learning board. Or like my son did two sessions on my 40l prone then sunk started his tiny 4 foot prone from the third go on. Little prick.
Thanks. So, starting with big volume is a golden rule. Then going down to a board around my weight....gosh, another investment....
But you can get pretty small 110L boards.... a Fanatic 110L is 5'8".
So far I was looking at Slingshot Outwit, Naish Hover Wing/SuP and Fanatic Sky Wing. I don't have the possibility to test them. That's why I'm phishing for reviews. Trying to catch what people say about their stability and all-in-all behavior. The same reason behind my question re board volume.
Select to expand quotejb74 said..Grantmac said..
Gong Hipe 110L is 5'3" and not particularly expensive. Also you won't ding it in a shore break. Their foils a pretty decent too.
Can't comment on the wing.
Gong Hipe is inflatable. Is that right? At least this is what I see on Gong's site for the Hipe model.
Yes absolutely.
What about a Quatro wing drifter Pro? 5'8" is 115L and lighter than the Fanatic 5'8"
Select to expand quoteSo far I was looking at Slingshot Outwit, Naish Hover Wing/SuP and Fanatic Sky Wing. I don't have the possibility to test them. That's why I'm phishing for reviews. Trying to catch what people say about their stability and all-in-all behavior. The same reason behind my question re board volume.
I started on the Sky Wing 5'4 (95L) and for my weight ( 80 kg) found it quite stable. However, I didn't like the concave deck and the large gap between the front and rear straps. Also the foil tracks are relatively far back from the foot straps favouring foils with the wing in a more forward windfoil type position (e.g. the Fanatic foils).
Have since moved to the Takoon 4'10 85 L. It's lighter, cheaper, allows me to setup my preferred foot strap stance and the balance at close to standstill doesn't require me to step forward out of the rear strap like the Sky Wing. The 85L volume is fine for my weight even when the wind drops right off.
Whatever you buy make sure it has a handle on the bottom of the hull. It makes it so much easier to carry the wing and board.
Select to expand quotemcross19 said..
What about a Quatro wing drifter Pro? 5'8" is 115L and lighter than the Fanatic 5'8"
Hm...never heard about this brand. I'll take a look. Thanks a lot.
Select to expand quotesimonp123 said..So far I was looking at Slingshot Outwit, Naish Hover Wing/SuP and Fanatic Sky Wing. I don't have the possibility to test them. That's why I'm phishing for reviews. Trying to catch what people say about their stability and all-in-all behavior. The same reason behind my question re board volume.
I started on the Sky Wing 5'4 (95L) and for my weight ( 80 kg) found it quite stable. However, I didn't like the concave deck and the large gap between the front and rear straps. Also the foil tracks are relatively far back from the foot straps favouring foils with the wing in a more forward windfoil type position (e.g. the Fanatic foils).
Have since moved to the Takoon 4'10 85 L. It's lighter, cheaper, allows me to setup my preferred foot strap stance and the balance at close to standstill doesn't require me to step forward out of the rear strap like the Sky Wing. The 85L volume is fine for my weight even when the wind drops right off.
Whatever you buy make sure it has a handle on the bottom of the hull. It makes it so much easier to carry the wing and board.
Thanks Simon. Good info. I'll check what the Takoon board is made of. You say the 85l board fits for your 80kg even when the wind drops off. You mean it does not sink under you?
I,m 95kg without a wetsuit Bought in oct my Fanatic 5.8 and for us that is the 5mm suit time of the year
first 3 sessions was be a lot of swearing especially if you start with a 6m in flicky wind, but once you have enough wind it is easy to learn.
Today its minus 5Celsius so no winging for a while but 2 weeks ago I was riding swell with it. awesome feeling even when you fingers almost freeze of.
A slight disclaimer: I owned before the wingthing a windsurffoil set so I knew the foil feel. I guess that helped a bit and I do sup as well on 110l boards and that has for me a slightly similar stance/boardfeel when wobbling. After a few sessions I can easily float around on it when the wind drops.
Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..
first 3 sessions was be a lot of swearing especially if you start with a 6m in flicky wind, but once you have enough wind it is easy to learn.
Hey Jeroen,
Yeah, I plan to learn winging in decent wind only. I've already seen how people struggle in light wind. By the way, the 5'8" Fanatic Sky Wing is also a 110liter board. The same as as your SUP board.
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Thanks Simon. Good info. I'll check what the Takoon board is made of. You say the 85l board fits for your 80kg even when the wind drops off. You mean it does not sink under you?
If the wind hits absolute zero it's not easy to stay standing and I have to put a wing tip in the water to lean on. Once there's a knot or two of wind the front of the board is clear of the surface by a few inches and my back foot has water up to my ankle. I've never sunk any further than that. Gybing off the foil isn't difficult.
I've got the collapsible straps so it's easy to lie on the board and paddle if the wind drops completely.
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If the wind hits absolute zero it's not easy to stay standing and I have to put a wing tip in the water to lean on. Once there's a knot or two of wind the front of the board is clear of the surface by a few inches and my back foot has water up to my ankle. I've never sunk any further than that. Gybing off the foil isn't difficult.
I've got the collapsible straps so it's easy to lie on the board and paddle if the wind drops completely.
So, not sinking completely . Good to know. Thank you
Select to expand quotejb74 said..Jeroensurf said..
first 3 sessions was be a lot of swearing especially if you start with a 6m in flicky wind, but once you have enough wind it is easy to learn.
Hey Jeroen,
Yeah, I plan to learn winging in decent wind only. I've already seen how people struggle in light wind. By the way, the 5'8" Fanatic Sky Wing is also a 110liter board. The same as as your SUP board.
When you start with a 4 or 5m wing in flat water is pretty easy to learn imo.Board: Yeah almost the same volume but a completely different outline 8.5x29 and pointy for the Sup (Starby Pro8.5) vs Fanatic almost square 5.8x28.
Although I like my Fanatic, if I should buy everything again I would go for the Quatro or Naish as they are lighter and have the boxxes a bit further forwards giving you more options with diff foilbrands.
