I got my first session wing foiling on the 925 yesterday. The wind conditions ended up being marginal but another rider seemed to be doing ok on a 5m and the 925 so I gave it a shot. I found the 925 to need either a little bit more wind or another wing size up from the 1250 (I was on an Armstrong V2 4.5), but it wasn't a lot more. Gusts around 15mph (13 knots) were enough to get me on foil on my 69L board (I'm about 75 kilos). Once up, the ride was really something and it didn't take much wind at all to stay on foil. Waves were around chest to waist high and were mostly ocean rollers that were occasionally standing up in one section of the bay, but still mellow. The speed and glide from the 925 on waves like this was mind blowing and gave me a sensation like I was riding bigger and more powerful waves. On the 925 I could follow a swell with the wing flagged behind me for easily 3-5x the distance I would have been able to do on the 1250. Since it was my first go, I was fairly conservative with turning but, at this point, I think it's fair to say it has very similar turning capacity as the 1250.
I'm hoping to get another session in tomorrow morning, but I left the beach yesterday thinking I could easily live without the 1250 if I added a larger wing to my quiver. With an Armstrong 5.5 or 6m of another brand, I'm confident I could be riding the 925 in 10-12knots. All this said, I definitely think there is still a place for the HS1050 in more powerful waves.
All said, I'm blown away by the first ride and can't wait for the next one.
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I got my first session wing foiling on the 925 yesterday. The wind conditions ended up being marginal but another rider seemed to be doing ok on a 5m and the 925 so I gave it a shot. I found the 925 to need either a little bit more wind or another wing size up from the 1250 (I was on an Armstrong V2 4.5), but it wasn't a lot more. Gusts around 15mph (13 knots) were enough to get me on foil on my 69L board (I'm about 75 kilos). Once up, the ride was really something and it didn't take much wind at all to stay on foil. Waves were around chest to waist high and were mostly ocean rollers that were occasionally standing up in one section of the bay, but still mellow. The speed and glide from the 925 on waves like this was mind blowing and gave me a sensation like I was riding bigger and more powerful waves. On the 925 I could follow a swell with the wing flagged behind me for easily 3-5x the distance I would have been able to do on the 1250. Since it was my first go, I was fairly conservative with turning but, at this point, I think it's fair to say it has very similar turning capacity as the 1250.
I'm hoping to get another session in tomorrow morning, but I left the beach yesterday thinking I could easily live without the 1250 if I added a larger wing to my quiver. With an Armstrong 5.5 or 6m of another brand, I'm confident I could be riding the 925 in 10-12knots. All this said, I definitely think there is still a place for the HS1050 in more powerful waves.
All said, I'm blown away by the first ride and can't wait for the next one.
Oahuwaterwalker - What fuse and tail were you using?
Select to expand quoteFoilnut said..Oahuwaterwalker said..
I got my first session wing foiling on the 925 yesterday. The wind conditions ended up being marginal but another rider seemed to be doing ok on a 5m and the 925 so I gave it a shot. I found the 925 to need either a little bit more wind or another wing size up from the 1250 (I was on an Armstrong V2 4.5), but it wasn't a lot more. Gusts around 15mph (13 knots) were enough to get me on foil on my 69L board (I'm about 75 kilos). Once up, the ride was really something and it didn't take much wind at all to stay on foil. Waves were around chest to waist high and were mostly ocean rollers that were occasionally standing up in one section of the bay, but still mellow. The speed and glide from the 925 on waves like this was mind blowing and gave me a sensation like I was riding bigger and more powerful waves. On the 925 I could follow a swell with the wing flagged behind me for easily 3-5x the distance I would have been able to do on the 1250. Since it was my first go, I was fairly conservative with turning but, at this point, I think it's fair to say it has very similar turning capacity as the 1250.
I'm hoping to get another session in tomorrow morning, but I left the beach yesterday thinking I could easily live without the 1250 if I added a larger wing to my quiver. With an Armstrong 5.5 or 6m of another brand, I'm confident I could be riding the 925 in 10-12knots. All this said, I definitely think there is still a place for the HS1050 in more powerful waves.
All said, I'm blown away by the first ride and can't wait for the next one.
Oahuwaterwalker - What fuse and tail were you using?
60cm fuse and Flying V tail
Second session today in similar conditions and getting up on foil got easier now that I'm starting to get a sense of the difference in technique. For me, it means pointing a little further down wind and not aggressively pumping the board or turning upwind too quickly as it begins to get on foil, just letting it come up on its own. Once it starts to rise it glides up in a very controllable way. With waves behind you, it's even easier.
The new challenge that I encountered today was adjusting my hand wing handling on jibes and a wave to accommodate the added speed from the 925. I got backwinded three times today in situations where that has never happened with other wings. I found on jibes, I needed to flip the wing earlier and on waves, I'm going to need to learn how to also flag the wing behind me when running downwind on a wave, basically opposite flagging that you would normally do relative to the wind direction (I hope this makes sense). Theres a local rider who I saw doing this on the 925 and now I understand how this is actually possible.
On waist to head high rollers and 8-15 knot winds, I hit 19.9mph (32kmh) which is a new GPS speed record for me. I'll add, it didn't feel out of control at all. I also cranked some turns today and even pulled off snap like turn of the top of a steep roller and the 925 handled it really well.
After getting back to the beach, I took photos of my HS1250 and posted it for sale. Again, I won't be selling my 1050 as I really think that still has it's place, but I won't ride the 1250 again.
The low end of the 925 keeps getting lower for me as I get to understand how it works better. I was out in 12-18 knots with lower lulls and with a 5m was able to make it work pretty well! The was having a grunty wing and finessing the foil up. If you have a light touch on the foil getting going or nearing stall speed, it dramatically lowers the stall threshold. I'm 90 kilos. Combined with the V-tail, the 925 is so fun to carve around. Dying to see if it SUPs ok.
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After getting back to the beach, I took photos of my HS1250 and posted it for sale. Again, I won't be selling my 1050 as I really think that still has it's place, but I won't ride the 1250 again.
How much are you listing the 1250 for?
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After getting back to the beach, I took photos of my HS1250 and posted it for sale. Again, I won't be selling my 1050 as I really think that still has it's place, but I won't ride the 1250 again.
How much are you listing the 1250 for?
I'm in Hawaii so wasn't going to list it here. Locally $525 it's in mint condition.
Just ran the 925 with a new config that I really enjoyed in my local river spot. Wind was 18-25 mph on a 4M wing (shoulda been on 3M). I ran the 925 / 85M / 50F / 232+1 on my 60L FG at 5.5 setting without straps. Bumps were generally knee high or smaller but I was ripping them to pieces (in my mind's eye at least).
The reactiveness felt on another level compared to the 60 fuse / FV200 tail I normally run. Turned on a dime and also rolled rail to rail much quicker. I think the 232 tail added some bite to keep the turns on track without washing out (and losing speed). Lost a bit in pumping though maybe
After listening to KD on the progression podcast, I really started to try and set the foil before turns and gybes/tacks. Swing it out wide with a brief ankle set the opposite of planned turn direction before diving in and bam. Pretty amazing feeling when it would line up proper. Easiest method was running on a heelside tack and line up a bump. Turn up into the bump before driving back around toeside (almost 270 degrees). This setup made this easier I feel.
Can't wait to try it in more size to find its limits.
Anyone else have a favorite 925 config?
Last session was on
85/60/chopped 232-1 / 4.5' (34L) FG prone @ 7.
not A plus.
Didn't feel any of the stall issues I'm getting trying to prone pump this Fn thing. Super stable, fast, nice glide - real nice.
V tail is crap on this wing for downwinders at speed. Like getting the skateboard wobbles.
looking forward to the HA Tail. It's needed.
What speed threshold do guys need to hit to feel that V tail instability? I'm hitting high 30's (km/h) flagged out easily without feeling that instability. I'll occasionally feel a little pitch instability powered on the hand wing but nothing too drastic. 85/60/no shim on A+/V tail.
It's not pitch, was riding behind my son on a number of downwind runs with swell running and his board was wobbling side to side from behind. He was on a 50 fuse though. He couldn't do the speed we were doing without crashing heaps and we only on 1250s with numpty 232 tails.
I just got my 925 and can't wait to try it out. I got a FV200 with it too and also a Kane 14" tail. I also have an old v1 232. Which tail should I go with first? (Only got 60 fuse)
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I just got my 925 and can't wait to try it out. I got a FV200 with it too and also a Kane 14" tail. I also have an old v1 232. Which tail should I go with first? (Only got 60 fuse)
Sounds like there're mixed feelings on the V200, but I really like it for winging and SUP. I've gotten on well with it from the start. Very fast, super turny and playful. I'm not really clear what's causing some riders issues with the V-tail "dropping out" or feeling sketchy. I'm late to the chopped 232 party but just did mine and am looking forward to riding it soon. The Kane tail will likely be sweet too.
My fav setup prone is 925/50/72/v200 I have no speed wobble issues with the 925 or 1125 but I certainly do on the 1050 with v tail , then I change to the 232.I think with the HA wings they are more roll-stable than the HS ones so the v tail is fine at speed with those.
Ive ridden behind my son with the exact same setup above kobo and watched with my own eyes on a fair few downwinders the yaw wobble. He's a **** hot winger, better than most of us (already 
) and was always wondering why he was eating crap and falling behind on the downwinders. No issues proning in that config though. Weird one. ??
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Ive ridden behind my son with the exact same setup above kobo and watched with my own eyes on a fair few downwinders the yaw wobble. He's a **** hot winger, better than most of us (already ) and was always wondering why he was eating crap and falling behind on the downwinders. No issues proning in that config though. Weird one. ??
Yes, I'm a crap winger and only use 232 tail , but I don't doubt it.........like you say proning no probs ?
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Ive ridden behind my son with the exact same setup above kobo and watched with my own eyes on a fair few downwinders the yaw wobble. He's a **** hot winger, better than most of us (already ) and was always wondering why he was eating crap and falling behind on the downwinders. No issues proning in that config though. Weird one. ??
Maybe v200 needs more speed for stability??
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Ive ridden behind my son with the exact same setup above kobo and watched with my own eyes on a fair few downwinders the yaw wobble. He's a **** hot winger, better than most of us (already ) and was always wondering why he was eating crap and falling behind on the downwinders. No issues proning in that config though. Weird one. ??
So worth an update, two downwinders yesterday on the 925 for the first time. 232 chopped. Didn't notice any yaw and pitch issues at all and I was honking at some speed connecting the swell lines up. Bloody magic.
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Ive ridden behind my son with the exact same setup above kobo and watched with my own eyes on a fair few downwinders the yaw wobble. He's a **** hot winger, better than most of us (already ) and was always wondering why he was eating crap and falling behind on the downwinders. No issues proning in that config though. Weird one. ??
So worth an update, two downwinders yesterday on the 925 for the first time. 232 chopped. Didn't notice any yaw and pitch issues at all and I was honking at some speed connecting the swell lines up. Bloody magic.
When you say DW, was it prone,SUP or ding ?and the conditions, and what mast / fuse combo did you use .....sorry for all the questions just seeing what works on the 925 as it is pretty small for DW
85/60/-1 shim.
on a 34L FG prone using a 3.8m ppc ding.
mate was on a 75L ppc, same above but with a non chopped 232.
both had a ball. First run 18-20, second 20-23 knots. A good km or more offshore in rolling swell - half King of the cut run.
so yeh not Sup foiling. Couldnt do that if I tried - on any foil really lol.
That's good you're on the FG 4'5 34lts ...got the sinker starts Sussed then. I just got the same board but haven't used it yet , hoping it will be great!
I wouldn't say sussed. Just functional right now. Still some frustrating moments. Read the stink bud thread if you haven't already and my stupidly long posts. 
Wow, got my first couple of sessions on the 925 and my mind is blown ?? So fast and so much glide! Coming off the 1250, 1550v2 and 1850.
First session was tow-in into some head high lumps, we ran it on 85cm mast, 60 fuse (A+), 232v1 and one red shim (making it 0deg). Board was an Appletree 4'6" Pro foil surf 37L. Felt great, balanced, fast, no pitch issues. Really really nice.
Then yesterday and today we had some nice 20-25kts cross offshore conditions with 1.5m waves. What dreams are made of ??
I took some time to try different tails and shim settings to see what would work for winging, and I was on my 90L 5'4 Quatro board. I tried first both the 232v1 and a 14" Kane tail with one red +1 shim, but I found for both tails with the +1 shim that the nose wanted to pitch down when going faster, especially when heeling over hard going upwind. I had to put a lot of pressure on my back foot and then still every now and then my board would hit and bounce off the water.
I removed the +1 red shim and then rode the 14" Kane tail without the shim on the A+ 60 fuse, and while that helped a little, it still wanted to dive when heeled over going upwind. With the wing flagged out and going straight I didn't experience the pitch down tendency.
Could it be the board? If noticed the same sensation with other Armstrong wings (1550v2, 1250).
Either way super stoked with this setup, I've never gone so fast on a foil! Hit 45kph today!
Here's a photo of the setup, riding it almost all the way forward in the quatro.
tips to help fine tuning are welcome
There is still some room to move mast a tad forward in that pic? So it's when heeling over hard right? Yeh I do find there is a limit to how much you can heel over the 925 - can get further over on the 1050/1250. I'm not experiencing pitch issues just some instability. Then again it could be that will watch out for it. I've had the 925 stuck on now for a good month - forcing myself to learn its characteristics. What I am finding is I am feeling the tail drag now on downwinders at minus 1 shim. (So no shim on the A plus). It's subtle but it's there. But then again I like a bit of front foot pressure and I'm already running it at 7 in the FG box.
including the -1 in the A+ fuse, I ended up running -3 on the 232/85m an -4.5 with the HA195 tail to get rid of the diving. It also caused my average speed to go way up winging because I was more comfortable pushing it.
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Wow, got my first couple of sessions on the 925 and my mind is blown ?? So fast and so much glide! Coming off the 1250, 1550v2 and 1850.
First session was tow-in into some head high lumps, we ran it on 85cm mast, 60 fuse (A+), 232v1 and one red shim (making it 0deg). Board was an Appletree 4'6" Pro foil surf 37L. Felt great, balanced, fast, no pitch issues. Really really nice.
Then yesterday and today we had some nice 20-25kts cross offshore conditions with 1.5m waves. What dreams are made of ??
I took some time to try different tails and shim settings to see what would work for winging, and I was on my 90L 5'4 Quatro board. I tried first both the 232v1 and a 14" Kane tail with one red +1 shim, but I found for both tails with the +1 shim that the nose wanted to pitch down when going faster, especially when heeling over hard going upwind. I had to put a lot of pressure on my back foot and then still every now and then my board would hit and bounce off the water.
I removed the +1 red shim and then rode the 14" Kane tail without the shim on the A+ 60 fuse, and while that helped a little, it still wanted to dive when heeled over going upwind. With the wing flagged out and going straight I didn't experience the pitch down tendency.
Could it be the board? If noticed the same sensation with other Armstrong wings (1550v2, 1250).
Either way super stoked with this setup, I've never gone so fast on a foil! Hit 45kph today!
Here's a photo of the setup, riding it almost all the way forward in the quatro.
tips to help fine tuning are welcome
Greg, I have the same board as well as an Armstrong 5.11 (for SUP). I've been running the 925 fully forward on the Quatro with -1 shim, 85 mast, 60 fuse, and V-tail lately and posted higher speeds on it than using no shim. I'll keep going with progressively more negative shim to see how it feels especially as Kane is using a whopping -4.5 shim(!). I was hitting 40km/h today on the Armstrong in pretty choppy water and for sure there's lots more speed to be had from the rig.
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including the -1 in the A+ fuse, I ended up running -3 on the 232/85m an -4.5 with the HA195 tail to get rid of the diving. It also caused my average speed to go way up winging because I was more comfortable pushing it.
Wow, that's a lot of shimming! But good to know that others are feeling the same with "only" -1. Will give it a try. What's the best way of creating negative shims btw, clip the armstrong ones and turn them around? 3d print some?
Kane, do you also like the added negative shims for prone? Or just for winging to push the top end?
I'm finding the minis 1 fine . with mast at 7 in the FG box. Are you guys right forward in your mast track, meaning can you move it forward and drop the shim a bit? Might try the minus 2 again maybe.
Above... yeh I just got a red plus one shim, turned it around and cut it to size. Placed on zero
metal shim as have non A plus.
g good question on the prone situation ... ??
another question for Kane . what the HA tail like. We haven't got ours yet ??
I have been riding both the 925 and 1125 on FG99@4.5 with 14" Kane tail and 0.5(blue shim), 85 mast,60 fuse. Have not tested out the Kane shims yet. The Kane tail really gives butter smooth jibes for both 925 and 1125 and great pumping on the 1125. I have not had enough time in swell for 925 repumping and flagging. Weight 85 kg, typically on 5.0 wing.
I had started at 5 in mast track but had some of the rise and slap down when trying to get on foil. Moved it back at bit and that smoothed that out. No foot straps for me
