My big write up on masts. There's some good stuff in there for beginners and intermediates who are progressing as well as advanced riders who are curious about thinner and short chorded masts.
www.wouzel.com/post/10-000-miles-of-notes-on-mast-selection-searching-for-perfection
Bryan,
I ride the Oneocean sports mast.
I've had the usual alloy collection, original cedrus, unifoil HM, f one UHM, Code HM and now this.
I liked the uni mast, felt slippery but the f one felt much better again. I changed to Code, felt the mast was stiff but felt draggy compared to the f one, so I took a chance on the Oneoceansports mast.
Very happy with it, feels very stiff and is thin, fast and glidey. I ride it with a Code adapter for my 970/720S foils with which it works very well. I just bought an f one adapter from Stringy, so will try some f ones on it next.
So far very happy, inexpensive, stiff, fast and if I can keep getting adapters rather than new masts I'll be pleased.
Mike
That's awesome to hear Mike. I'm an AFS mast guy at this point but I definitely want to try the One Ocean mast just as a comparison and reference point. Uniquely, the AFS adapter doesn't require extra bolts. The axis and AFS hole pattern is the same so the adapter acts kind of like a spacer which is different.
Once I can rip it on the AFS Silk and Ultra range I'll do a little review on that mast individually.
I've always fancied the AFS mast , so be interesting to see how you think they compare.
Select to expand quoteMikedubs said..
Bryan,
I ride the Oneocean sports mast.
I've had the usual alloy collection, original cedrus, unifoil HM, f one UHM, Code HM and now this.
I liked the uni mast, felt slippery but the f one felt much better again. I changed to Code, felt the mast was stiff but felt draggy compared to the f one, so I took a chance on the Oneoceansports mast.
Very happy with it, feels very stiff and is thin, fast and glidey. I ride it with a Code adapter for my 970/720S foils with which it works very well. I just bought an f one adapter from Stringy, so will try some f ones on it next.
So far very happy, inexpensive, stiff, fast and if I can keep getting adapters rather than new masts I'll be pleased.
Mike
I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on the setup with the F one adapter! I was thinking about changing my f one 16 mm mast either to the HM 14 mm or buy the one ocean mast, but I thought the stringfellow F one adapter looked quite bulky and might add so much drag it wasn't worth it. Do you use the ss or sss mast?
The f one 14mm mast is good. The stringy f one adapter isn't big at all really but obviously chunkier than the standard f one, but you save drag with the smaller thickness and chord of the oneocean mast.
Select to expand quoteRetina said..
Nice article! I like the red devil sabfoil mast. Tried it?
I haven't even tried sabfoil actually! What do you like about it?
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..Retina said..
Nice article! I like the red devil sabfoil mast. Tried it?
I haven't even tried sabfoil actually! What do you like about it?
Stiffest mast I tried. Changed from Fone to sabfoil because of the mast. (Had all fone front wings and stabs.) Helps me when I pump, dockstart and on waves. I feel the rock soild feeling when pumping that give me forward momentum. With fone I just killed the power. Mast wobbled, had 16mm UHM (and aluminum fone mast). Never tried the 14mm. I progressed more now when I have a stiffer mast. I can connect more waves when it's easier to pump to the next one.
Isn't Sabfoil known for having some pretty epic pump foils? I bet they made their mast with that in mind. That seems to be one of the most brutal disciplines for gear.
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..
Isn't Sabfoil known for having some pretty epic pump foils? I bet they made their mast with that in mind. That seems to be one of the most brutal disciplines for gear.
Yes 1350 is awesome for dockstart and light wind winging. Very good for beginner. I don't have running dock so I learned by deadstarting. I bought Jam 1900 before the sabfoil but it has a thinner profile which makes it harder for beginner and harder to dead/rockstart. I went out light winging with 1900 jam and that where you notice if the mast is stiff or not :) Wobbled all or the place. Sold it. No wobble with 1350 and red devil 85cm or 73p mast.
Hope all manufacturers focus on stiffness :)
Wobbles are the worst for sure. Makes a mast unrideable! I'm so glad I don't have those issues anymore.
Follow up notes on One Ocean:
I recommended to my buddy who wanted an adaptable mast he buy the One Ocean and he's been riding it for months now and used it on multiple brands. I asked him if there has been any weird issues with it, any problems, ventilation, anything at all? He reports no concerns other than drawing too much attention on the beach as the stiffest mast around. 
I have also been privileged enough to ride it. I went straight to trying to make it fail myself and was unsuccessful in every way.
It's stiffness is clearly competition for the top of the market. I'd easily place it in the top 3 masts I've ever ridden and at that point I can't tell the difference from one to the next. The pump and glide is outstanding, easily the best I've experienced at that size. It's beautifully made, every little detail on it is masterfully executed.
A note on the adapters:
A shop that is selling a different adaptable mast made some negative comments in a youtube video about the adapters being chunky and draggy when they come from Stringfellow. I'm not sure if that's where the negativity started but it seemed to catch on a bit and I've been asked questions surrounding these adapters since then. I have not tested them all but what I can say is this: I rode the Stringfellow AFS adapter on the One Ocean 78SSS mast (12.2mm thickness 102mm chord) back to back vs the AFS 80cm UHM (13.8mm thickness 115mm chord) mast which is the AFS gold standard. Same parawing, same wind, same section of water, same front foil and tail. The One Ocean was faster on all recorded upwind and downwind data sets. So, I think you need to look at the mast as a whole and how progressive this design is and how high quality the build is to make a decision on if it's right for you.
Can you post any photos of the mast with adapters (ideally AFS)?
There were some VERY blocky and draggy NoLimitz adapters that bordered on "primitive". Not sure if they were Stringfellow or someone else, but thats probably where the "rumor" started from. I think it was because the base of the mast was narrower than some of the foil connections (from memory it may have been a Uni adapter).
I posted the AFS adapter in this thread:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/Opinion-on-One-Ocean-84-SSS-UHM-Mast?page=1#lastpost
I think the thing that is being missed in the No Limitz conversation is that the No Limitz mast didn't have super progressive dims. (119mm chord and 15.5mm thickness if I remember correctly) So, it's easy to poo-poo the adapter. In the One Ocean situation, this is one of, if not the most, progressive mast in the industry that is available today. So, yes, anything underwater is going to be a drag penalty, every last bit of it in one way or another. My point here is to say that I think it's folly to say something is draggy because it's not aesthetically pleasing. You gotta test it and find out what's really happening.
*edit* to add, the recommended adapters from One Ocean are all zero penalty (One Ocean, Axis, Lift, Code). So, for some brands, it's really a no brainer. Paying about double the average adapter fee for a custom fuse expands that list even further.
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..
I posted the AFS adapter in this thread:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/Opinion-on-One-Ocean-84-SSS-UHM-Mast?page=1#lastpost
I think the thing that is being missed in the No Limitz conversation is that the No Limitz mast didn't have super progressive dims. (119mm chord and 15.5mm thickness if I remember correctly) So, it's easy to poo-poo the adapter. In the One Ocean situation, this is one of, if not the most, progressive mast in the industry that is available today. So, yes, anything underwater is going to be a drag penalty, every last bit of it in one way or another. My point here is to say that I think it's folly to say something is draggy because it's not aesthetically pleasing. You gotta test it and find out what's really happening.
I don't disagree and Im not writing it off at all. Now that I've seen that AFS adapter, it does appear a little "chonky" to the eye, but it is far more refined than some of the NoLimitz ones which were literarily just blocks.
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..BWalnut said..
I posted the AFS adapter in this thread:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/Opinion-on-One-Ocean-84-SSS-UHM-Mast?page=1#lastpost
I think the thing that is being missed in the No Limitz conversation is that the No Limitz mast didn't have super progressive dims. (119mm chord and 15.5mm thickness if I remember correctly) So, it's easy to poo-poo the adapter. In the One Ocean situation, this is one of, if not the most, progressive mast in the industry that is available today. So, yes, anything underwater is going to be a drag penalty, every last bit of it in one way or another. My point here is to say that I think it's folly to say something is draggy because it's not aesthetically pleasing. You gotta test it and find out what's really happening.
I don't disagree and Im not writing it off at all. Now that I've seen that AFS adapter, it does appear a little "chonky" to the eye, but it is far more refined than some of the NoLimitz ones which were literarily just blocks.
100% agree with you.
The recommended brands from One Ocean are all zero penalty (One Ocean, Axis, Lift, Code). So, for some brands, it's really a no brainer. Paying about double the average adapter fee for a custom fuse expands that list even further.
There's other variables in play with third party masts to consider (foils not developed on them) but I just want to give the One Ocean team and Jacko their flowers on this. It's amazing.
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Stringy KT adapter
How's that setup working out for you!? Nomad + One Ocean has got to be insane.
I have the openoceansports mast, for nearly a year.
I use it with code, but it goes naturally with axis and I have an f one adapter too. With code and axis there is zero foot exposed, a bit of a foot exposed with f one/afs etc
But as BWalnut says, you have to remember the mast isn't only 12.5mm x 110mm width and chord, and is fast and slippery as hell. And super stiff.
Select to expand quoteMikedubs said..
I have the openoceansports mast, for nearly a year.
I use it with code, but it goes naturally with axis and I have an f one adapter too. With code and axis there is zero foot exposed, a bit of a foot exposed with f one/afs etc
But as BWalnut says, you have to remember the mast isn't only 12.5mm x 110mm width and chord, and is fast and slippery as hell. And super stiff.
Hey man. Could you elaborate a little more about the mast ? Can you really feel a difference beetween the SSS mast from oneocean and the code mast ? I'm really interested to buy one for downwind racing. You have no complains about the stringy adapter ? no wobbles or anythin ? Do you always let the adapter on the mast or you take it off each time ?
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..maxpwr said..
Stringy KT adapter
How's that setup working out for you!? Nomad + One Ocean has got to be insane.
I've only had a super quick run, picked it up just before going in for back surgery. Felt incredibly slippery, absolutely frothing to jump back on and give it a proper work out. Couple of weeks to go!
Select to expand quotemaxpwr said..BWalnut said..maxpwr said..
Stringy KT adapter
How's that setup working out for you!? Nomad + One Ocean has got to be insane.
I've only had a super quick run, picked it up just before going in for back surgery. Felt incredibly slippery, absolutely frothing to jump back on and give it a proper work out. Couple of weeks to go!
Get well soon and please give us a full rundown when you're back to shredding!!!
Select to expand quoteMthias said..Mikedubs said..
I have the openoceansports mast, for nearly a year.
I use it with code, but it goes naturally with axis and I have an f one adapter too. With code and axis there is zero foot exposed, a bit of a foot exposed with f one/afs etc
But as BWalnut says, you have to remember the mast isn't only 12.5mm x 110mm width and chord, and is fast and slippery as hell. And super stiff.
Hey man. Could you elaborate a little more about the mast ? Can you really feel a difference beetween the SSS mast from oneocean and the code mast ? I'm really interested to buy one for downwind racing. You have no complains about the stringy adapter ? no wobbles or anythin ? Do you always let the adapter on the mast or you take it off each time ?
I prefer it to the code mast, it feels stiffer and is a lot more glidey and fast.
The adapter is super good fit, I use a rubber mallet to get foil off. I leave my adapter on the mast foot. I coated it with gunk first.
I did the Code+ 80cm vs the 78SSS today and strongly preferred the 78SSS from One Ocean. Faster, looser, no loss of stiffness. Super tight adapter on this one too.
Does someone have a picture with the Code foils adapter attached to the One Ocean mast?
It's in this thread:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/Opinion-on-One-Ocean-84-SSS-UHM-Mast?page=1#lastpost
Select to expand quoteZeroVix said..
Does someone have a picture with the Code foils adapter attached to the One Ocean mast?
It is on their site, pic 10,11 & 12 (www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/one-foils/p/hm-foil-mast).
Also in this vid on the 84 mast (
