Forums allow an opportunity for a lot of different opinions but LEED ="FIGJAM" - Feck I'm good just ask me 
If you are going to insult me I'm a Kiwi, we are close to our Aussie mates.
Back on topic Hoops answered the question based on economics.
Hugh respect for Scotty M and while I never had an EVO I had an ACID 88 which was a game changer for me.
Such a good board in a range of waves including DTL mast and half in Taranaki.
While "Freewave" boards have more offerings in over 100 litres and may be a good choice on flatter waves they will feel 'sticky' doing top turns especially on gruntier waves. Custom boards are the best when you discuss where you sail, ability, weight etc
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Someone challenges your call and you call them fatsos, untalented or sensitive little girls. Lack of facts to back up your argument so you revert to name calling or trying to twist into arguments of Nationalism or bringing up irrelevant discussions about historic boards.
I notice you still haven't commented on the video? Doesn't suit your argument?
Who's the one shooting their mouth off LeeD?
515 said Acid was good. It's normal narrow tail.
What rec sailor liked Evo? Fatsos.
I am a fatso. 20 lbs over age 35 weight.
I ride more volume now, 85 instead of 75, but just a bit wider, and as narrow in the tail that is made.
How much overweight are you guys?
Overweight=fatsos.
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
515 said Acid was good. It's normal narrow tail.
What rec sailor liked Evo? Fatsos.
I am a fatso. 20 lbs over age 35 weight.
I ride more volume now, 85 instead of 75, but just a bit wider, and as narrow in the tail that is made.
How much overweight are you guys?
Overweight=fatsos.
No one cares 
I thought this was a thread about big wave boards??? Anyways unless your a big person you probably can't appreciate these new wave boards for how good they really are. I'm 115kgs and ride mostly a 115L wave board from Simmer and it's perfect for me, It's on rails in the bottom turn and loves going vertical to cuts back on the spot. If your under 100kgs you will probably find them bouncing out of your bottom turn and then find it stiff and sluggish in the top but when your the perfect match for them they work really well.
You still can't beat a smaller board when the wind and waves are up so it's alway best to go for the smallest board you skill set and conditions allows you to ride. I've had 100L+ wave boards from Quatro, JP, OES and now Simmer, They have improved year on year and have brought so much more fun to my sailing, I no longer need to wait for 20knots before I can go sailing...I'm out there with all the skinny guys in 10knots DTL heaven. My favorites, 115 Quantum & 99 Cortex
(Yes I'm bias towards Simmer, They rock)
???? J
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
Dunk is 235.
Matt and Kevin 185 in wave sailing shape.
Christian Wyman was 180.
Actually my fighting weights around 90 kegs (198 for the countries that couldn't quite grasp the metric change)
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I thought this was a thread about big wave boards??? Anyways unless your a big person you probably can't appreciate these new wave boards for how good they really are. I'm 115kgs and ride mostly a 115L wave board from Simmer and it's perfect for me, It's on rails in the bottom turn and loves going vertical to cuts back on the spot. If your under 100kgs you will probably find them bouncing out of your bottom turn and then find it stiff and sluggish in the top but when your the perfect match for them they work really well.
You still can't beat a smaller board when the wind and waves are up so it's alway best to go for the smallest board you skill set and conditions allows you to ride. I've had 100L+ wave boards from Quatro, JP, OES and now Simmer, They have improved year on year and have brought so much more fun to my sailing, I no longer need to wait for 20knots before I can go sailing...I'm out there with all the skinny guys in 10knots DTL heaven. My favorites, 115 Quantum & 99 Cortex
(Yes I'm bias towards Simmer, They rock)
???? J
Hi JH2703,
I agree with what you're saying about the bigger boards.
I will say though that these days you don't need to go as small as possible with wave boards to get the best wave riding. There are areas where a little more volume in the right place can give you drive and help with acceleration.
Pretty much all modern wave boards now you can carry extra volume and not sacrifice wave riding ability. Wave boards now have so much more range and efficiency as they did 10 years ago.
We did some really cool testing a couple of seasons ago in Gnaraloo with Ben Proffitt and his Simmer's, Adam Lewis and his Fanatic's and me with my Severne's.
We spent the afternoon testing each board back to back and noting how each one performed. It was all the stubby , wide tailed boards.
All of the boards were good and fun to ride. Each had different strong points.
My point with this is to say that in board shaping , nothing is necessarily wrong (unless it's really ****in wrong) but each board will behave differently and that's what will suit different riders.
I think it's really cool that all the shapers have their own ideas and move in different directions. It would be pretty boring and uncreative otherwise!
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Just how many of you still ride a wide, wide tail wave board?
I bet NONE, nada.
I own 5 wave boards. One is 53cm wide. 2 are between 54-55 wide. One is just over 55cm wide. None have tails over 36cm.
Then there's the Evo 76.
There's the evidence of dinosaur mentality.
Thanks for giving us a giggle.
Select to expand quoteHi JH2703,
I agree with what you're saying about the bigger boards.
I will say though that these days you don't need to go as small as possible with wave boards to get the best wave riding. There are areas where a little more volume in the right place can give you drive and help with acceleration.
Pretty much all modern wave boards now you can carry extra volume and not sacrifice wave riding ability. Wave boards now have so much more range and efficiency as they did 10 years ago.
We did some really cool testing a couple of seasons ago in Gnaraloo with Ben Proffitt and his Simmer's, Adam Lewis and his Fanatic's and me with my Severne's.
We spent the afternoon testing each board back to back and noting how each one performed. It was all the stubby , wide tailed boards.
All of the boards were good and fun to ride. Each had different strong points.
My point with this is to say that in board shaping , nothing is necessarily wrong (unless it's really ****in wrong) but each board will behave differently and that's what will suit different riders.
I think it's really cool that all the shapers have their own ideas and move in different directions. It would be pretty boring and uncreative otherwise!
+1
I'd never want to ride a board -15 liters bellow bodyweight. Too much work in gusty winds.
I remember a recent video of Keith Teboul, where he's talking about his preferred sizes, him being 75 kg and stating that "75 - 80 liter boards are rather small" and his goto-board is a 85 and for lightwind a 93.
All of my Goya boards i had the last years followed the according rule, having 91 kg my goto boards where 94 - 99, 60-61 wide, and my lightwind boards were 105 - 116, 65-66 wide.
And yes the big ones ride amazing for their size, esp. the Quad 116 i had, before the Quad it was the One 105, now it's the One 116. Despite the One are "Freewave" boards they waveride fine, but to be honest the Quad was outstanding.
Both the Quad 116 and the One 116 were/are especially nice in thighter turns, whereas in fast frontfooted bottom turns you could feel their thick rails in the masttrack area. Both shapes were a little "2-phased" having quite narrow and thin tails (for their size) but more volume and thickness in the front. Amazing cutbacks esp. the Quad 116, but a little corky + demanding in fast bottom turns.
The 2020 Goya One and Quad have the volume shifted to the tail, esp. significantly wider tails, maybe that makes them a little less "2-phased" and even better in fast bottom turns.
I just can't decide which board to order as my next big board, the One 115 or the Quad 114 ?
Excellent reviews for both in here.
Alex
Yes, for a 100 kg rider, a 100 liter, or even 110 is a small waveboard.
That applies across the board from 65 kg weight to around 120 kg weight.
Below you see preferences towards floaty boards.
Above 280 lbs you also see it.
Board size is always an interesting topic and when we discussed big waveboards on another site recently it was clear that bigger guys were still trying to sail boards where the volume in litres matched their weight in kilos. Whereas the lighter guys were consistently reporting they were using excess float nowadays. So 100kgs sailors said they had 100litre boards, whereas 70kgs sailors said they often used 80litre boards.
And in my case, I can talk about float a lot, because i have several wave boards.
With my weight at 75kilos my 'go to' wave boards are 80-85 litres and then the differences between the three options I have in that volume range are as much about rocker lines as about their measured volume.
My 85 litre board is +10 in excess float for me, but it also has a fast rocker, meaning I get early planing in iffy winds or in white water conditions.
I also have a 95 litre wave board which is then +20 litres of excess float, and that float is so helpful on some of the rippy, messy, onshore wave days we get here. But the board still has a wave rocker, so it will turn well on a wave.
That same design comes in a 115litres version, so that would provide +10 litres of float for a 105kgs sailor. But he will also find that board has a flatter rocker than the 95 later version.
And, on topic, there lies the problem for board shapers and for the industry. When they produce a 115litre board is it for light wind blasting for average weight sailors, or is it for tight turns on the wave face for the heavier guys? if they produce a massive wave board with loads of rocker then the market for that would be limited. If it was tested against other boards of a similar volume it might also be damned as being slow to plane. And the chances are, that none of the 115litre boards being tested would get anywhere near a wave face.
Depends where and how filled in the winds are, and what direction.
For true filled in sideshore and head high surf, I'd choose less than body weight, kg to liters.
In windshadowed side onshore, I'd choose body weight or slightly bigger board.
In onshore head high or bigger surf, a +10 float and flatter rocker is appreciated.
That's why I have multiple wave riding boards, not just one.
Worst thing lee, you have been beaten to a pulp, yet continue . The British in WWII , evacuated at Dunkirk, look for a boat at Berkeley marina and set course for the Farallon Islands
Never a good idea to shoot straight and tell it as I see it.
Always better to be a politician and strongly consider every reader's opinion on subject matter, but ESPECIALLY how it's presented to the sensitive certain types of readers.
Oh, and don't worry about what is said, most vital is HOW it is said.
Hang on LeeD? You said you're 20lb over age 35 weight?? Did I see that correct? If so then you were saying earlier in the mid 80's that you were modifying your surfboards. So that would put your age at errr under 5 years old at that time? Am I missing something here?you still haven't commented on that video of boujmaa either....
In 1985, I was 35 years of age.
Have you ever read where I mentioned that Matt and Kevin were both around 185 when they were at the top of their wavesailing years?
Bjorn wavesails really well, as does heavier Finian.
But except for the last, nobody would call them fat.
LeeD why quote your weight for age 35 years ago? I seem to recall you were the one calling any of the riders on this forum who were of high weight as the fatsos. With how much evidence? Seen any of those people?again you are the one making I'll founded assumptions. Care to comment on the video?
You wondered, I clarified.
I have mentioned I myself as a fatso.
Do you really believe all the 100 kg guys are in shape?
Since age 60, I have been fat and out of shape.
There are obviously several ways to cook an egg, so maybe LeeD can tell what wave boards he is sailing now, perhaps with the sizes, and with comments about which he prefers and why.
What conditions?
Remember, any pro wave sailor from 1985, using his 1985 gear, wavesailed waay better than me or you at anytime of our lives with any year gear.
So it comes down to sailor ability, not age of gear.
Oh, unless you are in the industry and needs to promote the newest gear so you can stay in business.
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Board size is always an interesting topic and when we discussed big waveboards on another site recently it was clear that bigger guys were still trying to sail boards where the volume in litres matched their weight in kilos. Whereas the lighter guys were consistently reporting they were using excess float nowadays. So 100kgs sailors said they had 100litre boards, whereas 70kgs sailors said they often used 80litre boards.
And in my case, I can talk about float a lot, because i have several wave boards.
With my weight at 75kilos my 'go to' wave boards are 80-85 litres and then the differences between the three options I have in that volume range are as much about rocker lines as about their measured volume.
My 85 litre board is +10 in excess float for me, but it also has a fast rocker, meaning I get early planing in iffy winds or in white water conditions.
I also have a 95 litre wave board which is then +20 litres of excess float, and that float is so helpful on some of the rippy, messy, onshore wave days we get here. But the board still has a wave rocker, so it will turn well on a wave.
That same design comes in a 115litres version, so that would provide +10 litres of float for a 105kgs sailor. But he will also find that board has a flatter rocker than the 95 later version.
And, on topic, there lies the problem for board shapers and for the industry. When they produce a 115litre board is it for light wind blasting for average weight sailors, or is it for tight turns on the wave face for the heavier guys? if they produce a massive wave board with loads of rocker then the market for that would be limited. If it was tested against other boards of a similar volume it might also be damned as being slow to plane. And the chances are, that none of the 115litre boards being tested would get anywhere near a wave face.
i think basher what you've highlighted is an issue for heavy guys. because big guys don't need heavily rockered big volume boards. they want to plane in light winds and ride waves. they need boards with flatter rockers and a bit of extra width to get speed. because the rider is heavier they can still carve wider boards.
my personal take on it is for bigger guys short and wide wave boards with flatter rocker are the answer. sure they can be kept narrower with the volume redistributed into length but the length makes the swing weight to high and the top turns suffer.
Thickness can be added to increase volume, like the new JP wave boards. Of course, only to a certain extent.
Added V can allow easier carving.
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There are obviously several ways to cook an egg, so maybe LeeD can tell what wave boards he is sailing now, perhaps with the sizes, and with comments about which he prefers and why.
Probably be reluctant, that's Lee to disclose. Last I heard he had a 2009 Starboard first year quad. Might be the newest .
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Never a good idea to shoot straight and tell it as I see it.
Always better to be a politician and strongly consider every reader's opinion on subject matter, but ESPECIALLY how it's presented to the sensitive certain types of readers.
Oh, and don't worry about what is said, most vital is HOW it is said.
I'm convinced you is a troll.
Me troll.
Newest would be what I consider as an onshore wind wave board. RRD Firewave 92 tri fin.
Too old for you? Sorry, I'm not rich like you.
We seldom ever get filled in sideshore wind, so don't need a new board for that.
Almost any wave board works well in those conditions.
I also don't course race or speed trial anymore, so don't need new boards for that.
Oh, I haven't travelled to find good wave sailing in 15 years now.
Never liked PSC...tooslow and mush ball wave.
Do like the two sideoff wave breaks at Abreojos.
Do like Oops St., Revelations, and of course Sunset, Chuns, and Lani.
Mea on Moks, DH, and Kahuku.
Wads N wind and long period S swell is special.
Dav N reef also.
Palo Marin my homebreak.
Cape and Pistol good. Face Rock and Florence really good.
Lee, you could really save yourself a lot of time by not posting things that have absolutely no relevance to this thread.
word salad
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
I own 5 wave boards. One is 53cm wide. 2 are between 54-55 wide. One is just over 55cm wide. None have tails over 36cm.
Then there's the Evo 76.Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
Me troll...... Newest would be what I consider as an onshore wind wave board. RRD Firewave 92 tri fin.
92ltr Firewave is under 56cm wide ?
