Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
All of this friendly banter reminds me of when I invented waves.
It was back in the day. You can ask anyone about it, Mickey M, Donald D, Homer S, hell even Woody WP and Wiley C will tell you.
It must have been 66 or maybe 44, there I was stood on the beach on the north shore, well I hadn't created beaches yet so really it was just the shoreline, in fact, I hadn't discovered the ocean either so it was really just a random spot, but anyway. There were all these people stood around but with nowhere to go and nothing to do. Nobody had even though of waves by then. Down south they didn't have any, over east none, downunder they didn't even understand.
So I created the first wave. Not a real world wave like you get nowadays but a proper wave you could ride and turn on.
// List of random names.
Everybody commented how awesome I was at coming up with such a thing. So I told them - here have one of my surfboards and go surf. So they did. Lucky for them they had legs, real legs mind you, not those mushy legs Aussie's have nowadays.
And that is how it happened. Back in the day. Well, back in my day.
Oh, wow. Then thanks.
I thought LeeD invented the waves.
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
Still registered at Swaylocks, in good standing.
So you lie! Spreading false info is lying.
Got kicked out of Starboard forums by Ian Fox for insisting a long boom multicam sail works on Formula. 5.7 sizing. 2 other Starboard forum guys apologized on private messaging.
Steve Sylvester used a 4.7 on his Formula board. And still uses a 4.7 on his 90cm Tillo.
Didn't say that you are not registered, said you were driven off, swaylocks .
didnt know about Starboard forum. Another nail.
Boards Uk magazine forum, you were on. It doesn't exist anymore, not your fault, economic times.
when did I say I was a better sailor than you ?
23year in a shop , I would gather you know something, probably the Taco Bell,phone number by heart.
The mast remark
alone says you ain't so smart. You have admitted you didn't know what fin box the Fanatic Stubby has, then counter with a BS , discussion, that pb fins have adjustment.You make reference to ONO and Kaku, fins without saying who make them, and jump around with freewave wave weed.Put the link on your jibberizh.
you probably think cause it says JP Australia, that it's made in Australia.
Your know it all attitude and rudeness offset any real contribution you may have.
no one cares.
oh I should give you my name , right .
I would hope after 23 years , you would know a lot of names, Phillip Koster, Thomas Traversa,Kai Lenny, Jager Stone, BFD. I know Jason Voss, Tyson Poor, from Concord. BFD. Andy Brant, Derrik Riff, Pete DeKay.
So what.
Select to expand quoteBasher said..Carantoc said..
All of this friendly banter reminds me of when I invented waves.
It was back in the day. You can ask anyone about it, Mickey M, Donald D, Homer S, hell even Woody WP and Wiley C will tell you.
It must have been 66 or maybe 44, there I was stood on the beach on the north shore, well I hadn't created beaches yet so really it was just the shoreline, in fact, I hadn't discovered the ocean either so it was really just a random spot, but anyway. There were all these people stood around but with nowhere to go and nothing to do. Nobody had even though of waves by then. Down south they didn't have any, over east none, downunder they didn't even understand.
So I created the first wave. Not a real world wave like you get nowadays but a proper wave you could ride and turn on.
// List of random names.
Everybody commented how awesome I was at coming up with such a thing. So I told them - here have one of my surfboards and go surf. So they did. Lucky for them they had legs, real legs mind you, not those mushy legs Aussie's have nowadays.
And that is how it happened. Back in the day. Well, back in my day.
Oh, wow. Then thanks.
I thought LeeD invented the waves.
Basher, do you remember him on the Boards forum ?
Select to expand quoteforceten said..
Some reflections on what I recall about LeeD, who also has used other names, even on the same forum ( IWindsurf)
he was on the swaylocks surf forum, he was driven off, same reasons as he continues here, irreverent posts and when asked to define a statement , he would ignore it, same as here, show us the photo proof,of the boards you have made, never forthcoming. The surf board shapers on there, flat out know their stuff.
Boards UK forum, prior to its demise, the Brits , sussed him out straight away, he hung around awhile,he figured out that a quad fin board exists, and bought the first year Starboard quad, when it was about 8 yo, I don't think he has ever understood what fin boxes it has.
I windsurf , USA forum, mostly people ignore him,oh some will get entertained , and engage , same as the above, he's active , discussion is far less techy, so he gets away with a lot.
A statement that he made, any mast will work in any sail. Actually true, except he didn't add that if it's not compatible , you will give up a lot of performance, and it depends on how much range the sail had to start, and how much one is willing to give up.
Crowning glory , he lived in a Honda Civic, I think near Berkerly, California , t hat should indicate something right there, a nice big Yank station wagon or van would have been much better, and he could build boards inside.
He never changed the oil in the Honda.
I don't take anything from him serious, if I read his crap, I forget it as soon as I can. His current rant on iwinsurf is powerbox fins are available in A variety of fore aft fittings thus making the powerbox adjustable , by using different fins.(the base being oriented nose or tailward. At some point he sailed a lot, I only know one person who actually knows him.I probably sailed on the water at Berkerly, Candlestick , Alameda with him, but wouldn't know him. I've never heard him say anything about Rio Vista , California., nor Hood River ,Hawaii lots ,
and south of SanFrancisco, ocean venues, Waddell, Santa Cruz areas.
He must have thick skin to resist so much dissension, for so long by some many.
I think we leave it there then ?? ... 
Select to expand quoteseabreezer said..
I think we leave it there then ?? ...
But, but .....
I haven't told you about the time I was the first person to hard carve while riding a sea turtle.
It was back in the day. 68 I think.
No, it was 69. Yeah summer of '69. I remember well 'cause it was the time I got my first six string (real six string). Played it till my fingers bleed (proper blood). Tommy quit and Jodie got married.
Anyways I invented the footstrap so I could ride the turtle. A real turtle, not the soft mushy leatherbacks you Aussie's have.
Until then nobody could carve a turtle at real wave spots. Sure people turned turtles at recreational wave spots. I already said that.
If you want to believe in lies, it's your choice.
Never been on UK forum, didn't know about them.
Forceten will never ask the guys I mentioned, but they are good sailors who know me personally.
Select to expand quoteforceten said..
Oh really. That Makani fin is a wave fin, it set square in the middle.
you really have a problem , you can't read, your can't see, you make no sense 99.9 % of the time.
It's called Dementia!
Select to expand quoteforceten said..Basher said..Carantoc said..
All of this friendly banter reminds me of when I invented waves.
It was back in the day. You can ask anyone about it, Mickey M, Donald D, Homer S, hell even Woody WP and Wiley C will tell you.
It must have been 66 or maybe 44, there I was stood on the beach on the north shore, well I hadn't created beaches yet so really it was just the shoreline, in fact, I hadn't discovered the ocean either so it was really just a random spot, but anyway. There were all these people stood around but with nowhere to go and nothing to do. Nobody had even though of waves by then. Down south they didn't have any, over east none, downunder they didn't even understand.
So I created the first wave. Not a real world wave like you get nowadays but a proper wave you could ride and turn on.
// List of random names.
Everybody commented how awesome I was at coming up with such a thing. So I told them - here have one of my surfboards and go surf. So they did. Lucky for them they had legs, real legs mind you, not those mushy legs Aussie's have nowadays.
And that is how it happened. Back in the day. Well, back in my day.
Oh, wow. Then thanks.
I thought LeeD invented the waves.
Basher, do you remember him on the Boards forum ?
I remember him on both Boards forum and Swaylocks forum. Troll then Demented Troll now.
Just start reporting his posts and get him removed.
Select to expand quoteforceten said..
Basher, do you remember him on the Boards forum ?
Yes indeed.
He was trolling on there for a while, in the early days but not later on, IIRC.
I was never a moderator so I can't say if he got banned or not.
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
If you want to believe in lies, it's your choice.
Never been on UK forum, didn't know about them.
It was Boards form. I was there, so was someone called LeeDD posting in the usual manner. Also asking about setup of his Tabou Speedster 100, myself replying. We've established that elsewhere with you confirming it.
There was a lot of friction and bad vibes between 2 other posters and I dont think anyone had the appetite for more.
I wasn't going to mention that until I saw the repeated denials. So lets just drop it.
Anyway, that aside, the point about some power box fins being set forward in their box is actually true and does relate to the Fanatic FW stubby. When they 1st came out there were quite a few questions about spinout. The powerbox on the STB is set very close to the tail. Expert sailors could adapt, not so expert sailors couldn't adapt so well. I know a couple of people who bought the STB and it took them a while to adapt, they had only used single fins before. They got there in the end. (When I go my first multifin board last year, Goya, I had no issues in adapting, as the centre fin is further forward). The next year Fanatic kept the board the same, but got their fin manufacturer to move the fin forward along the box. Craig (Fanatic brand manager) went through this on Fanatic's forum. He is quite open and honest about advice and guidance, although this topic took a little more coaxing out. I'd suggest if anyone wanting advice about Fanatic boards go their forum first.
I quite liked Fanatic boards in the past, had a 2009 Falcon for years. If they had made the Jag when I was looking for a replacement for that I might have bought it (although they have dropped carbon construction). Their Freewave was going to be a potential purchase until they went STB, good to see normality returned.
Have a read of their forum, and posts about the FW STB & spinout before then.
For example
forum.fanatic.com/d/24527-freewave-stb-105-2017-2018/14
Bang goes any credibility I had on this forum, agreeing with LeeD on something
Something I forgot to mention, fairly certain Fanatic have moved the powerbox further forward on the latest board 2019/2020 board. The STB finbox was very close to the tail, I cant recall seeing other FW boards having the box that far back, Dyno, RRD, Tabou etc.
I think we leave it there then ?? ...
ok seabreezer, kindly point out to the others forumites that same , statement.
Select to expand quotePhilUK said..
Something I forgot to mention, fairly certain Fanatic have moved the powerbox further forward on the latest board 2019/2020 board. The STB finbox was very close to the tail, I cant recall seeing other FW boards having the box that far back, Dyno, RRD, Tabou etc.
My opinion on a powerbox fin box in a board with a tri fin setup, was and remains it's stupid. A US box would have been better.Slotbox as bad as pb.
as far as the fins having adjustment, which to me is ultra. BS, but I've yet to see any that have a rearward bias.
if someone and said fin existed , they were so inclined to purchase fins that have the base .5 cm off center, then good on them.
Select to expand quoteforceten said..PhilUK said..
Something I forgot to mention, fairly certain Fanatic have moved the powerbox further forward on the latest board 2019/2020 board. The STB finbox was very close to the tail, I cant recall seeing other FW boards having the box that far back, Dyno, RRD, Tabou etc.
My opinion on a powerbox fin box in a board with a tri fin setup, was and remains it's stupid. A US box would have been better.Slotbox as bad as pb.
as far as the fins having adjustment, which to me is ultra. BS, but I've yet to see any that have a rearward bias.
if someone and said fin existed , they were so inclined to purchase fins that have the base .5 cm off center, then good on them.
Why is a powerbox fin in a tri fin board stupid?
Oh, if your going to use a fin, single set up or otherwise that's , about 30cm in length, then the powerbox would be a better option, from a strength POV.
^^ yes and that's why they used a PB so its not stupid :)
Big single fins are also used to replace the thruster setup. Too hard to find anything over about 26cm in US box nowadays.
Select to expand quoteGestalt said..forceten said..PhilUK said..
Something I forgot to mention, fairly certain Fanatic have moved the powerbox further forward on the latest board 2019/2020 board. The STB finbox was very close to the tail, I cant recall seeing other FW boards having the box that far back, Dyno, RRD, Tabou etc.
My opinion on a powerbox fin box in a board with a tri fin setup, was and remains it's stupid. A US box would have been better.Slotbox as bad as pb.
as far as the fins having adjustment, which to me is ultra. BS, but I've yet to see any that have a rearward bias.
if someone and said fin existed , they were so inclined to purchase fins that have the base .5 cm off center, then good on them.
Why is a powerbox fin in a tri fin board stupid?
Because it has no adjustment. NB, if said board is , obituary number 100 liters, then it's a option. Then being used as a single fin, that's beyond the strength of a slot box or USBox.
my theory is why the hell do you have a tri fin setup anyway, if your preference is a single.
my Witchcraft , 2+ 1 setup, I tried , tried once a single fin, blocking the mini tuttle sides off.
so I can say I tried it, once. YMMV.
so I said it , stupid.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
^^ yes and that's why they used a PB so its not stupid :)
Big single fins are also used to replace the thruster setup. Too hard to find anything over about 26cm in US box nowadays.
Have one made if it floats your boat. course it's no bother to you cause you use a pb.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
^^ yes and that's why they used a PB so its not stupid :)
Big single fins are also used to replace the thruster setup. Too hard to find anything over about 26cm in US box nowadays.Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
^^ yes and that's why they used a PB so its not stupid :)
Big single fins are also used to replace the thruster setup. Too hard to find anything over about 26cm in US box nowadays.
First site I looked at has one at 26.67 cm.
www.trueames.com/collections/single-fins-1/products/greenough-4-a?variant=31299578134660
the other consideration is not the length alone , the area. Checking MUF, maybe Black Project , maybe MFC
or dare I say K4, may have more area than your typical 26cm.im not certain , Tarifa Fin Co, may supply a 30cm in US box.
LeeD , the other user name that was used on the IWindsurf forum was
Zirtab.
this went away at some point.
sorry you don't remember being on the Boards UK forum.
to:
seabreezer: I think I'm done being called a liar.
i will self isolate in the naughty chair till supper time.
All good Forceten - 'leave it there' was a general comment - as much to myself .... yrs was a useful post .... we can see where Lee'd is coming from ... enough said ...
Select to expand quoteBasher said..
Oh, wow. Then thanks.
I thought LeeD invented the waves.
Nope.
He shaped the blanks for den hawaiian kings and told them surfing.
Wide hips, btw.
And lived there on the beach in a civic.
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
And yes, 2 of my Civics lasted 300,000 miles, neither getting an oil change after 200,00.
Probably would have lasted longer had you changed the oil.
Hey guys
Cheers for all the advice, even if the thread got a bit sidetracked.
Plenty of things to try/buy once everything is open again.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
^^ yes and that's why they used a PB so its not stupid :)
Big single fins are also used to replace the thruster setup. Too hard to find anything over about 26cm in US box nowadays.
This fin from TFC in us box, they will make 30cm
www.tarifafincompany.com/product/freewave-windsurf-fin/
took awhile to get an answer,
Select to expand quoteBecause it has no adjustment. NB, if said board is , obituary number 100 liters, then it's a option. Then being used as a single fin, that's beyond the strength of a slot box or USBox.
my theory is why the hell do you have a tri fin setup anyway, if your preference is a single.
my Witchcraft , 2+ 1 setup, I tried , tried once a single fin, blocking the mini tuttle sides off.
so I can say I tried it, once. YMMV.
so I said it , stupid.
I would say with the PB option and switching between thruster and single it is not so much about preference but moreso has to do with varying conditions. For Example: if a person's homespot has no real swell, then the water is pretty much flat when the wind is light. I think we can agree that single fin boards are the better choice for flatwater + light wind because of the added low end and upwind ability.
Now the same spot could develop pretty big wind-induced waves at 20+ knots where a thruster will be beneficial for the plus in manouverability
In this case the option to switch is not stupid at all, i would argue
However if the conditions are expected to be very consistent, then I agree with you...migth as well get the fin setup for those conditions and call it a day
Can someone please explain the the differences between those four scenarios for a thruster fin setup;
1- sides forward, rear back
2- sides back, rear forward
3- all forward
4- all back
Sea Lotus,
imagine the side fins and centre fin far apart or close together. It's the turning circle of the board.
All fins forward will be looser but less stability.
All fins back will be stiffer but more stable.
The best way to find out this stuff is to do your own tests.
Do some short runs, come back and make changes on the beach straight away.
You will soon see the differences and get a feel for what's happening.
Cheers, Hoops
Can someone please explain the the differences between those four scenarios for a thruster fin setup;
1- sides forward, rear back
2- sides back, rear forward
3- all forward
4- all back
1 drive, early plane, planted board, stiff
2 extreme looseness, nose lift
3 some drive with looseness
4 low drive, a bit stiff, possible spinout
