Got my hands on an 87 as my 20knt+ board through Simon at Boardcrazy. Am a 180cm widebody & regularly 90+kegs so expecting to spend a bit of time going submersible when/if conditions dial back. 2 sails so far in gusty on-shorish yuck but good to christen the new stick.
The board looks & feels like a proper wave board both on & off the water so far. Fins supplied are 14+10 & 2xblank outs, will be aiming to mostly run the board as a twin but will try everything in due course. Better than expected fit & finish on everything, it's all nice, tight & light, well done to Severne. Small detail I like is the supplied Allen key batten+fin+footstep screw driver. Because of the design/size, it twists nicely as the screw binds up. Makes it obvious when tight is tight enough without over tensioning, in theory less unintentional wreckage by being too brutal locking down parts.
Was keen as on day one and hit the water rigging 5.7, 12-18knts dead onshore running 17.5s twin mode. Very surprising as I didn't really intend to use this size sail or fin combo on the 87, a few pumps off the wind and it's damn quick to break free. Same on day 2 with 5.3 in 18-20knts running 14+11 quad, point down wind and it takes off on to the plane then you are mobile. The speed broad reaching is impressive so I imagine it will be quick around the break and carry good speed on the face.
No waves yet though and me thinks lots of fun times ahead sorting fin set ups as we head into cyclone season.
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What is the weight of the Pyro?
My Pyro 83 arrived today.
The bare hull weighs 5.8kgs, give or take Balanzza scale inaccuracies.
(Those scales are pretty accurate for bags I take to the airport for check in)
Hull with dry straps: 6.4kgs
Hull with dry straps and four fins plus one blanking plate: 6.9kgs
The hull shape is really good. Single concave into subtle double concave under the straps.
Fast rocker line with no visible flat section and the tail kick is very modest at less than 1cm (and way less than the Nano).
Hard rails for fast release, but with good tuck at the front section.
I can see this will be a fast and early planing board - so it will get going earlier than a Nano but may not ride so comfortably as the Dyno when overpowered.
The hull is painted mostly (60%?) black on the deck but there's also a lot of white area on the port side because of the big 'Pyro' lettering.
The underhull is red with just a few bits of black at the tail. For those worried about the black hull overheating when left on the beach in strong sunshine, remember that there is a Gortex air vent which would automatically relieve any air pressure in that rare situation.
(Here in the UK we would never have that as an issue anyway!)
Over all, this one helluva shape and I can't wait to try it out.
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What is the weight of the Pyro?
My Pyro 83 arrived today.
The bare hull weighs 5.8kgs, give or take Balanzza scale inaccuracies.
(Those scales are pretty accurate for bags I take to the airport for check in)
Hull with dry straps: 6.4kgs
Hull with dry straps and four fins plus one blanking plate: 6.9kgs
The hull shape is really good. Single concave into subtle double concave under the straps.
Fast rocker line with no visible flat section and the tail kick is very modest at less than 1cm (and way less than the Nano).
Hard rails for fast release, but with good tuck at the front section.
I can see this will be a fast and early planing board - so it will get going earlier than a Nano but may not ride so comfortably as the Dyno when overpowered.
The hull is painted mostly (60%?) black on the deck but there's also a lot of white area on the port side because of the big 'Pyro' lettering.
The underhull is red with just a few bits of black at the tail. For those worried about the black hull overheating when left on the beach in strong sunshine, remember that there is a Gortex air vent which would automatically relieve any air pressure in that rare situation.
(Here in the UK we would never have that as an issue anyway!)
Over all, this one helluva shape and I can't wait to try it out.
Sounds very promising. You say no visible flat section in the rocker which sounds quite suprising. Can you check that with a metal ruler or anything similar? Could be a very good Board for our conditions here in Europe, hope the improved the painting quality. Very happy to see your first impressions on the water.
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Sounds very promising. You say no visible flat section in the rocker which sounds quite suprising. Can you check that with a metal ruler or anything similar? Could be a very good Board for our conditions here in Europe, hope the improved the painting quality. Very happy to see your first impressions on the water.
This rocker line would be best shown in a video - and we have -2 degrees here so I'm not photographing outside, haha.
But a board that has low rocker and and an even rocker curve has no real need for a true rocker flat.
This aspect of board design is also complicated because the single concave into double concave allows the rail line to follow one curve whereas the centre/keel line follows another.
The important thing is that both work together in directing and benefiting from the water flow in terms of lift, and then in terms of what happens when you rail-to-rail carve.
In this case, the rocker line is relatively flat and obviously fast throughout. The rear section, from straps to tail is very flat and with very little tail kick.
This contrasts with the Nano which has a definite flat mid section but a lot of tail kick in the centre and at the rails. (Which is why the Nano is so tight in those hooked turns.) The Nano is also slightly more parallel sided in the Tommo surfboard tradition, whereas this Pyro is a little more curvaceous with its more traditional plan shape. .
Philip Koster himself explains very well what he wants from a board (see Severne facebook entries, and the Pyro description on their website).
Koster wants a board that is early planing and which goes very fast for jumping. On the wave face he goes for a loose/ freestyle technique in the turns, often breaking out the fins to spin fast.
But this shape to me looks like it will still do rail to rail carves just fine. There's something classic about the shape.
I already have the Dyno 85 and 95, the Nano 82, and now this Pyro 83 board, so I'll report back on the performance differences once I've tested the Pyro properly. So far, the Pyro looks like the perfect Eurowave shape.
Hope this helps, etc.
I've taken a few indoor pics of the board and of its rocker line.
I've not done very good job of this, haha.
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I've taken a few indoor pics of the board and of its rocker line.
I've not done very good job of this, haha.
Awesome! Great pics & very interesting rocker. Relative flat between front straps and the fins. Should be planning as hell for a wave board. The weight seems also incredible. See the last post from Lars Petersen.
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I've taken a few indoor pics of the board and of its rocker line.
I've not done very good job of this, haha.
Hi, of course there is curve in front of the straps. And that it is quite flat between the straps is new "normal" nowadays. I would be really curious to know how much tail kick the boad has OFO. The grip has only little tail kick. How about the pyro?
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SchobiHH said..
Hi, of course there is curve in front of the straps. And that it is quite flat between the straps is new "normal" nowadays. I would be really curious to know how much tail kick the boad has OFO. The grip has only little tail kick. How about the pyro?
As a former board test editor, I do know how to measure these things but if there's no true flat section of rocker under the straps it's then a bit arbitrary to measure tail kick at one foot off. Each shaper will measure tail kick his own way for consistency but there will then be variations with other shapers.
A 'rocker flat' is where there is a completely flat section in the rocker, rather than a progressive curve that turns flatter as it gets further aft, until any tail kick.
A true rocker flat sets up a straight line to measure tail kick against, but, with a more continuous curve, the line of your straight edge position is less defined.
But I'd already measured the tail kick on my board as being between 5mm and 10mm, taking the natural line of the straight edge.
The exact measurement is further complicated by this board having a swallow tail - so the rails extend past the centre line.
It's dark here so I couldn't get my phone to focus well on the straight edge, but you can see the sort of tail kick we are taking about.
Note too that the double concave aft effectively create increasing Vee at the tail.
I'd say there's obviously tail kick here but not a lot. let's call it 8mm?
The Fanatic Grip does indeed have little tail kick, and maybe less than this.
Been out on mine few sessions now. Haven't had waves too great but have got some idea how the thing feels. I try to write down some thoughts...
First thing what I'd say it feels super light and rather neutral, still playful. I have DaCurve '16 96L and Ultra Kode '19 86L & 93L to compare it with. I'm near 100kg + add another 10 if dressed for winter. So I won't take it on the beach under 25 knots, 30 - 40 better. It's feels fine with 5.5 and smaller, I don't care to have bigger sail on it. No waves under 25 knots around here anyway.
While carving the Pyro doesn't seem to draw the line for you, you have to point it where you want to go, it doesn't lock in as DaCurve or Ultra Kode, so it takes me some practice to get these bottom turns to hold again. I think it has got to do with the short stubby tail. It feels fun that's for sure. And yes it's really easy to slide it in twinser mode. Fin setup makes a big difference too.
Being on the taller side myself, I wouldn't mind the board to be few cm longer, but it is well balanced while floating and fairly well balanced in the air as well. Only sometimes if off planing and not paying attention I found myself sinking the nose deep. If to compare, Ultra Kode still provides me with more confidence in air somehow, from the day one.
Pyro get's going with not much effort, about the same as Ultra Kode I'd say, it holds the plain very well. As accelerating into plain I think I have to step back on the board earlier compared to other boards I have. Even small waves speed you up nicely on Pyro. With DaCurve I would have no chance to get going on the same small wave.
Hardware and finish is where I have mixed feelings. Hex key is nice sure. But the foot straps are the same as on DaCurve and it is complete rubbish, from the fiddly plastic stoppers to the toe slicing sharp plastic edges that are not padded where the strap meets the board. I have had bloody feet from these straps more than few times and sliced 5mm boots on it. So I took fully padded Drakes from my Ultra Kode and din't even bother with original straps. Foot pads are peeling pieces off from top after 2nd session and the paint job it really easy to scratch and chip. White paint on top of black, so the scratches will be very well seen. It almost looks the same as my 3 year old DaCurve already. Fin boxes I had to clean out of excess clue or what ever it was in there, and slot boxes with a pin in it? Beats me. SB is a good way to break your board if going over some rocks. Besides couple of the fin screws didn't go deep enough without brute force and loud friction sound. I was afraid it will break the box and first session almost lost a fin as it wasn't tight enough after all.
Fins look solid and well made. Haven't used the original fins. My board was one of the early ones, shipped with thruster set up, later they changed to quad as I have been told. Serial number is 026 on the board.
To sum it up, I like the Pyro so far, it's nimble, fun and suits well to the Baltic Sea conditions. Nice shape for sure!
Still for a 2500? purchase I would expect top notch hardware and paint job as well but it's not there, not yet.
For big waves and winds over 40 knots I would still go with Ultra Kode as it gives me the confidence to charge.
DaCurve has become my board to go to once everything else is broken, again :)
Gee, that's too many words now!
My new goya custom quad 2021 79 l arrived. Immaculate in details upon very close inspection. Shape,pads,straps, fins,colors,gloss rule....... but weight bare hull 6.4 kg (stated 6.1kg).. I was shocked because I always thought- the lighter the better. Why is that ? Production issue ? More resin, workers at Cobra lazy to sand off paint? Will extra weight make the board at least stronger ? Slower for sure. Stiil I am not swapping it for any other board. The Pyro shape looks cool -but shape is half of the story. The other is craftsmanship...
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My new goya custom quad 2021 79 l arrived. Immaculate in details upon very close inspection. Shape,pads,straps, fins,colors,gloss rule....... but weight bare hull 6.4 kg (stated 6.1kg).. I was shocked because I always thought- the lighter the better. Why is that ? Production issue ? More resin, workers at Cobra lazy to sand off paint? Will extra weight make the board at least stronger ? Slower for sure. Stiil I am not swapping it for any other board. The Pyro shape looks cool -but shape is half of the story. The other is craftsmanship...
I would like to be your insurance broker :) You have to also read the small print when you buy a board. Normal production weight deviation is +/- 6%. If you want one of the lightest of the last shipment from asia ask your distributor if he is so kind to measure the weights before shipment to you. A new thread would be good, this one is about the Pyro.
My 87 is #50 and haven't any of the fitting issues mentioned above. Fins fitted first time and paint job is great however I'm yet to interface with any nasties. But hey, it's simple black, white & whatever the red colour is, gunna be easy to touch up when the time comes.
Couple of bump&jump sessions with 5.0 & max'd 4.5 this week. Run the stock 14s+10s in head high+ cross-on, all fins in fwd position. The board is a blast, points well, runs fast and turns tight when pushed. Also seems super smooth through ugly chop allowing this old boy to concentrate on moves rather than control. Definately mobile on the water as it's so easy to get up wind then tear away off the wind hunting for peaks. Even had a couple of 'Koster' moments getting the tail out on the slippery slide and also looking down at planet earth far below.
For me, it's a keeper.
Very, very tempted to order an 87, although recognise some of the "hardware" gremlins mentioned above with my early production v2 Dyno 105 (my later produced Dyno 85 is better, although still prone to stone chips) Have you sailed your 83 yet Basher?
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... Have you sailed your 83 yet Basher?
No useful wind here, as yet, and recent winter air temperatures are way too low for me.
But Tuesday looks promising for those of us in the southeast of the UK.
Heads up for Pyro and other Severne board owners.
When setting up your new Pyro watch out that the footstrap spacing - the distance between the back strap and the front pair - is a bit wider than usual, and that affects which footstrap holes you might choose.
People with long legs and a wide stride may love this - but my legs are quite short.
I have a habit of fitting straps the same with ant new waveboard, and for the Nano and the Dyno this is to set the front straps right forward and the back strap in the centre of the three hole options.
But If you do that with the Pyro you may find your stride is 4-5cms wider.
I have yet to spend time on the Pyro board, but will report back some more on this stance width thing, when I have had a few sessions.
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Heads up for Pyro and other Severne board owners.
When setting up your new Pyro watch out that the footstrap spacing - the distance between the back strap and the front pair - is a bit wider than usual, and that affects which footstrap holes you might choose.
People with long legs and a wide stride may love this - but my legs are quite short.
I have a habit of fitting straps the same with ant new waveboard, and for the Nano and the Dyno this is to set the front straps right forward and the back strap in the centre of the three hole options.
But If you do that with the Pyro you may find your stride is 4-5cms wider.
I have yet to spend time on the Pyro board, but will report back some more on this stance width thing, when I have had a few sessions.
Let us know when you can thank
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Heads up for Pyro and other Severne board owners.
When setting up your new Pyro watch out that the footstrap spacing - the distance between the back strap and the front pair - is a bit wider than usual, and that affects which footstrap holes you might choose.
People with long legs and a wide stride may love this - but my legs are quite short.
I have a habit of fitting straps the same with ant new waveboard, and for the Nano and the Dyno this is to set the front straps right forward and the back strap in the centre of the three hole options.
But If you do that with the Pyro you may find your stride is 4-5cms wider.
I have yet to spend time on the Pyro board, but will report back some more on this stance width thing, when I have had a few sessions.
Prob because Phillip Koster is a giant, i always set my front straps in the forward holes then measure to get the back in the perfect spot, there is no "industry standard" spacing for footstrap plugs, My pyro is still in its box, will eventually get it out to have a look, still trying to get a new cover for it.
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Heads up for Pyro and other Severne board owners.
When setting up your new Pyro watch out that the footstrap spacing - the distance between the back strap and the front pair - is a bit wider than usual, and that affects which footstrap holes you might choose.
People with long legs and a wide stride may love this - but my legs are quite short.
I have a habit of fitting straps the same with ant new waveboard, and for the Nano and the Dyno this is to set the front straps right forward and the back strap in the centre of the three hole options.
But If you do that with the Pyro you may find your stride is 4-5cms wider.
I have yet to spend time on the Pyro board, but will report back some more on this stance width thing, when I have had a few sessions.
Finally, a board with the foot straps properly set. Nothing worse than a narrow stance.
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I've only managed one session on the 83 Pyro so far, but I'll add my first impressions.
The brief version is that it seems to do exactly what the Severne site says it will do - and I'm already very pleased with it.
But it's winter here in the UK and we fight the cold every time we go afloat. I had to go to Worthing to find wind on Tuesday but the reward for my patience was 4.8m weather and then 4.4m winds.
The waves were a bit rubbish but there were little four foot faces to ride once the tide pushed in.
The Pyro is an amazing little board and, launching into a lot of white water, my first reaction was that the 83 seemed small compared to my Dyno 85 - possibly because I've put on weight in lockdown and today I was wearing full winter wetsuit gear which weighs down any board.
But the 83 litres still floats me and this board responds well to a bit of driver input.
Any reservations soon disappeared because the board quickly leapt onto the plane..
The Pyro is very early planing and goes very fast, even in a quad fin set up. it's also very loose and lively on the wave face and holds it's speed well. The board felt totally right with the 4.8 and 4.4 rigs and there's no doubt it'll work with a 4m too.
At the bigger end, I suspect my 83 litre version will take a 5.0m sail happily but at my weight (78 kilos?) I'd maybe prefer a bigger board for 5.3m weather. Water conditions where I live usually require extra float for marginal wind.
The only thing you have to watch out for is that the smaller versions of the Pyro are quite short, even though this board doesn't get the stubby tag. This means it's loose but also requires quick/reactive driving skills, especially in the smaller sizes which are less than 220cms long.
I set the straps in the central options - at the back and for the front pair - and that gives plenty of leg stride for a wide stance - especially for my short legs. Those with longer legs can get the same stance by going to the back pair of holes for the back strap and using the front pair of straps in the very front setting.
The mast track is very short and, so far, I just stuck my deck plate in the middle. All that worked well for me and I soon got to feel where the centre of buoyancy was/is. The Pyro doesn't have quite as much buoyancy under the straps as the Dyno or Nano, with the Pyro being slightly narrower at the tail - but only a bit.
I'm guessing that the Severne Nano will do better hook turns on the wave face - due to the Nano tail kick - but the Pyro will keep speed on the wave better and it's maybe less of a backfoot board.
I can't wait to get the Pyro in some better waves but it's already very plug and play .
I don't know if this is of interest, but hey.
I stuck my Dyno 85 next to my Pyro 83 to see if I could note the size difference - and of course they are very different shapes. I wish now that I'd added my Nano 82 for further comparison but I'd left that at home yesterday.
The photos aren't good (with a bit of wide angle lens distortion), but you should see how the Dyno is slightly longer and a bit narrower - with the Dyno following the parallel rails idea.
The Dyno has extra tail width with a 'kick' in the rails right at the back strap, and the square nose of this version also takes more volume into the front end. The Dyno also has a noticeably lower nose, compared to the more turned up nose of the Pyro.
So the Pyro has more volume concentrated in the middle of the board and under the mast in a traditional way, whereas the Dyno has more volume concentrated towards the ends (nose and tail). This volume arrangement maybe makes the Dyno a more stable board and the extra tail volume will help the less active sailor through any lulls.
Both boards have a fast rocker and I wouldn't like to guess which is faster. The Pyro is certainly quick and the curves mean it's more playful for rail to rail work.
Under foot, the Dyno 85 does feel a bit bigger than the Pyro 83 but probably not enough to make to feel like a step up in board size.
Both boards float me but with the slightly bigger Dyno feeling just a little bit more stable at slogging speeds.
The Dyno probably gives a slightly softer ride, due to the exaggerated concaves underneath.
Now I know the Pyro is such a good board, I'll have to decide what to do with my Dyno 85 and Nano 82 - because there's no point in having three boards of similar size.
I'm reluctant to let either of the other two go however, because I have had such goods sessions on both of them.
In an ideal world, I guess owning a Pyro 83 and a Pyro 93 would cover all the wavesailing conditions we get at my local spot, from 4m weather to float and ride with a 5.3m. The 93 is two cms wider and 2cms longer than the Pyro 83, and that's all you need for extra stability and for 10litres more float.
I finally got mine out the box last week, the shape looks like my 101 Nuevo but squished flat and added some extra fin boxes, the bottom shape is a lot more mellow than my Nuevo, it is a lot flatter which makes sense why everyone is saying how fast they are.
The weight is awesome, about the same as my 101 carbon, the finish is spot on and pads ect are good,
The quad fin set supplied look sweet, I ordered and extra center fin to try is as a thruster which will be interesting as I have never owned a thruster, I plan to run it as a twin fin most of the time, the new boards run the new fin box system but a normal set of slot box fins still work but if you want run them all the way ford they need to be slightly modified which is super easy with small rat tail file, i have even done this in the carpark at the beach before.
The only thing i would change, being a short arse i'm not a fan of the strap insert stance, i understand why they are wider being Philip is a big bastard, but adding an extra set of strap positions so there is 4 options at the back would give shorter people more options for strap positions.
I know Philip was a big fan of the Nuevo's and prob wanted to relive that fun but make one more suited to his jumping and onshore sailing. Unfortunately i cant try it out for about 6 months..
I've just ordered a second Pyro - in the 93l size.
That means I'll have a matching pair, with the 93 being my light wind or float and ride board for 5.2m weather and maybe the 5.6m wind days.
We get a lot of white water and currents here so the extra float will be great for the difficult days and for gusty wind.
For 4.8m to 4m winds I'll still be on the 83.
A Pyro 93 video here. Koster's board so flat at the back, little shape in the hull (compared to other wave boards) and low rockered for speed for double loops etc.
The same shop also did a video for the Dyno, a very different shape underneath, massive 'v' in comparison.
Turn on the subtitles to translate to English and its good for a laugh. 'Truck Driver' (Thruster fahrer - thruster rider I think he is getting at)
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A Pyro 93 video here. Koster's board so flat at the back, little shape in the hull (compared to other wave boards) and low rockered for speed for double loops etc.
The same shop also did a video for the Dyno, a very different shape underneath, massive 'v' in comparison.
Turn on the subtitles to translate to English and its good for a laugh. 'Truck Driver' (Thruster fahrer - thruster rider I think he is getting at)
Surf Mag did a video for the 87 and run a ruler over the hull.
And also a variety of boards they have tested
Its not just wave boards which have a variety of shapes. Even freeride go from single concave under the straps (Tabou Rocket Wide/Plus) to
deep 'v' via more normal shallower double concave and moderate 'v'.
Guess you just buy what you like and stick to that, or buy a new board every year and sell it when something 'new' comes out.
I really like the bottom of my ship to be shaped like a ladder, it makes it easier to do double locomotives.. the subtitles are a bit random. .lol..
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The only thing i would change, being a short arse i'm not a fan of the strap insert stance, i understand why they are wider being Philip is a big bastard, but adding an extra set of strap positions so there is 4 options at the back would give shorter people more options for strap positions.
I forgot to mention yesterday that when I was down the beach I saw one of the locals had a 93l.
Its owner is over 6 foot/185cm tall & guess 15 stone/95kg and he had the front strap in the rearmost plug and the rear strap in the middle plug.
It was parked up next to 75 & 95l Fanatic Freewaves (2020). it looks a lot shorter than those, but the specs say just 7 & 9 cm difference. It does look incredibly flat for a wave board but if you want speed. The rails looked quite sharp at the very rear to very tucked at the front, quite a difference, but maybe that was just accentuated by the paintwork, I didnt have a close up look.
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A Pyro 93 video here. Koster's board so flat at the back, little shape in the hull (compared to other wave boards) and low rockered for speed for double loops etc.
The same shop also did a video for the Dyno, a very different shape underneath, massive 'v' in comparison.
Turn on the subtitles to translate to English and its good for a laugh. 'Truck Driver' (Thruster fahrer - thruster rider I think he is getting at)
Surf Mag did a video for the 87 and run a ruler over the hull.
And also a variety of boards they have tested
Its not just wave boards which have a variety of shapes. Even freeride go from single concave under the straps (Tabou Rocket Wide/Plus) to
deep 'v' via more normal shallower double concave and moderate 'v'.
Guess you just buy what you like and stick to that, or buy a new board every year and sell it when something 'new' comes out.
I really like the bottom of my ship to be shaped like a ladder, it makes it easier to do double locomotives.. the subtitles are a bit random. .lol..
Maybe the youtube translator cant understand his accent (if he has one) as that shop is in the north. Its good that they, and Surf Mag, produce these videos as it gives us a clue about the boards. The Surf Mag 8.5m Freerace sail video had useful translation subtitles.
I find it odd that some brands dont bother with detailed videos, very little stock is held in shops these days so its hard to even look at one. A UK shop does a few, but theirs are over the top sale pitches 'this board is the best in the world it does it all for you blah blah blah'
