Narrow is smooth but not necessarily fast.
Also Robbie demanding his team riders use production boards (one of them said this wasn't actually true) doesn't mean it applies to the boss.
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
Narrow is smooth but not necessarily fast.
Also Robbie demanding his team riders use production boards (one of them said this wasn't actually true) doesn't mean it applies to the boss.
Narrow means control at speed.
Robby described the Jaws boards he used as customs on the public record, some years ago, presumably by Harold Iggy.
Ricardo Campello rides Naish custom quads so your theory sounds incorrect. Indeed custom boards are available from Naish to the public.
in a recent interview Robby stated that not many team riders use production boards as they sail Hookipa which is such an individual wave that you need to really ride a specific Hookipa shape.
The team used to all ride production boards even in comps but thats fizzled out.
Justyna Sniady appears to ride custom Naish boards wherever she is sailing, can see the quad Assault here, along with sharper nose, is clearly a custom.
www.continentseven.com/justyna-sniady-with-summer-action-from-gran-canaria-video/
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Here's the Master himself Robby in januari 2021 at Jaws.
His choice of board is pre-2010.
It's a single fin Naish Pro Wave US1111 from 2008.
The old geezer stil knows how to rip : )
Hey guys, interesting thread. In 2007/08 I went all in on Naish and bought Force 5 (3.4-4.7) and the 2007 Global wave 78L and the 2008 Pro Wave 65L. I'm a small guy at 67-68kg and tjese boards have been amazingto sail. Rented Naish gear when on Maui 2013 and was disappointed, but back home these boards still ripp. After many years I am now considering switching brand again and leaning towards Goya Custom 4 to replace my Pro Wave and Custom 3 to replace my 78L and then new Banzai sails. I sail in wind waves mostly cross on up to mast high.
Any advice on board size when switching to multi fins?
Multi fins usually mean wider board, so overall float should remain the same, but with shorter lengths, maybe not so good for fast, overhead waves.
The whole trend seems to be shorter and wider, thicker and more fins but now with tapered rails and tail.
Most companies still make a basic, high wind and higher speed wave board. You might look in that direction.
To actually answer your question though Jericho, for a quad you can use more volume due to better control. It definitley the main advantage and you will love the easier nature of wavsailing on more volume but it still turns and doesn't feel overpowered. Thus most people go around 10L over their bodyweight for average planing conditions like 20-25kn.. If you get really solid planing winds often, but want to extend range to those nice waves but only 15-17kn sort of days, a 70L and a 90L would be good for you (quads)
For onshore I think Quatro Cube a better choice - not that there is anything wrong with the Goya
LeeD - I have no idea why these shorter boards would be no good in faster overhead waves - I see plenty of people use them for exactly that.
Maybe because you are a big strong surfsailor while I am a tiny weak old fart.
The fact Robbie chooses narrow and thin rails over Global wave somewhat supports this theory.
For Florida mush, go Global.
^^^ Nothing to do with it. I'm a big dude, but all the 60-80kg wavesailors seem to do just fine on these short boards that you reckon are probably not much good on fast overhead waves.
Short is fine , like JP's new offerings.
Fat tail no fine, unless you weigh 120 kgs.
Look at JP Ultimate Wave. Good for everyone.
Look at the wide tail waveboards...good for big dudes on small, slow waves.
Would you ride a 2010 Starboard Quad, the size you like, .aybe 96 liters, at Jaws?
Oh, just so you know.......
I am lightweight, but all my surfsailing buds come in around 210-230 kgs.
One of them, at 275 lbs, could lay down bottom turn a 12' Marker 1 square tail at 6' Punta Abreojos in Cen Baja. His normal wave board for Waddell was a 133 liter Seatrend 9'5". He actually has a pic taken in 1985 almost dragging the boom on a wave close to 3' over his head.
Too bad he got knee problems in the late '80's
I apologise to all the young gun shredders out there.
I am 72, so I cannot talk about my prowess on 2020 gear. I know you think only NEW counts.
So just gloss over my posts. Forget the old fart.
I was th original crew at Sunset, Chuns, Lanikea, Hukilau, and Revelations in the mid '80's, so I'm IR relevant today.
Select to expand quoteJericho said..Icelake said..
Here's the Master himself Robby in januari 2021 at Jaws.
His choice of board is pre-2010.
It's a single fin Naish Pro Wave US1111 from 2008.
The old geezer stil knows how to rip : )
Hey guys, interesting thread. In 2007/08 I went all in on Naish and bought Force 5 (3.4-4.7) and the 2007 Global wave 78L and the 2008 Pro Wave 65L. I'm a small guy at 67-68kg and tjese boards have been amazingto sail. Rented Naish gear when on Maui 2013 and was disappointed, but back home these boards still ripp. After many years I am now considering switching brand again and leaning towards Goya Custom 4 to replace my Pro Wave and Custom 3 to replace my 78L and then new Banzai sails. I sail in wind waves mostly cross on up to mast high.
Any advice on board size when switching to multi fins?
Best windswell board I've sailed is Simmer. Ola the designer also happens to be a smaller guy.
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
I apologise to all the young gun shredders out there.
I am 72, so I cannot talk about my prowess on 2020 gear. I know you think only NEW counts.
So just gloss over my posts. Forget the old fart.
I was th original crew at Sunset, Chuns, Lanikea, Hukilau, and Revelations in the mid '80's, so I'm IR relevant today.
LeeD, It would be cool if you could please post shots of some of the wavesailing and boards and sails you used at these spots from the 1980s if you have any photos. Thanks
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Quotes: gorgesailor & RuaraidhK257
"Exactly.... just shows those older boards are exactly the opposite of what you want for your lake & North sea conditions... but, not a bad choice for Jaws."
"I doubt that's a production board... Robby rides customs at jaws"
Could it be that Robby's Naish picked this board because Jaws is choppy and goes very fast? The Naish wave 2008 is relative narrow and thus very fast, what we used to call a 'gunny' type of board.
I think at Jaws you need controllability in the chop and speed to out run the monsters.
That's what i liked about the pre-2011 Naish wave boards in my bump and jump conditions.
But I'm not a expert regarding Jaws. I would *hit and piss my wetsuit.
Are you sure it's not a production board in the Jaws clip?
Wasn't it until recent the policy of Naish that everyone on the team had to use production boards, even in competition?
Maybe you all are right about i need a FSW board for my conditions.
But that ain't sexy and never had the opportunity to try one.
@Caipi
The fins with board are: 21,5 cm. (8.5")
14 cm. (5.5")
2x9 cm. (3.5")
for centre fin I use now 20cm.
And when the snowdunes are gone and after some ice-skating/windsurfing I will try some settings at "Wijk" (aan Zee). That was a good guess : )
And for oldtime sake:
I have the left one! =) 78L
at my 78L I was enjoying it from 4.2 to 5.5 sails.
wanted to make it my all in one board and it actually worked but then I went to some gusty spots where it hit my nerve and decided to go for 100L slalom etc.
thinking back now I have same idea except that now I have 88kg.
I used it only for freeride and I guess it worked because it was 248cm long.
So to achieve the same with todays boards I guess I'd have to choose 10L bigger becase they are so damn short!
edit: probably will NOT return to windsurfing because of personal reasons. I have to write this just in case....for personal reasons.
RichardG....
Yes, my current g/f hopes for the same.
I don't have any pictures. No yearbooks, no old pics. Partly because I never cared, partly because I was homeless for a few 5 year spans in my life.
I AM in the credits in Windfinder [Ca.], and Surfing Calif. [surf spots in Ca.]
Also mentioned by name in Barbarian Days.
Some people seek the spotlight. A few of my surfing and windsurf.. snow buds always set up camera sessions to record their fame.
I"d just hang back, ride the same surf-wind-spots, and stay out of the spotlights.
That's why I knew and pioneered so many spots in a few different sports.
Hello everyone!
Here another contribution from the topic starter : )
Thought this topic was dryed up, nice to see it up again.
So i bought a new (old) board.
Just to test the reccomended Tabou. But also FSW(?) and 'bump and jump'.
I found a real bargain Tabou Pocket 72 2007 (Unfortunately not found a suitable 'Da Curve' yet).
Sure, it's a bit dated but not a big risk like the Naish wave 3D 80 2012.
I like the Pocket.
it's a tad slower than the Naish Pro US1111 75 2008 but in the high end much more controllable and forgiving without losing liveliness.
The other day I rode the board with 3.3 overpowered and for the first time I wasn't afraid all the time : )
Jibing is a piece of cake with this old fart and the 225cm is handy with frontloops.
The Tabou Pocket 2007 in comparison with the Naish Wave 3D 80 2012.
The Naish is a 'buried death pig' in the conditions I use it. The Tabou Pocket 72 beats it on every front.
Now I'm very curious about 'Da Curve'...
So thanks for all the advice from you lot which made me, after the Naish wave 3D 80 2012 disaster, smile again : )
On topic: Naish after 2010 not 'my cup of tea'.
Nice board for maximum winds.
Perhaps a 76 3s, from Tabou. Maybe smaller as a max wind board.
Fsw boards add more speed and early planing over wave boards.
I have a 86 liter 3s for 4.2-5.2 conditions.
I'm too feeble to ride +30 knot conditions.
