Hi guys,
I am 62 kg and struggle to find a board for strong wind (25+kts). I generally sail in an inlet and ride a Falcon 86l on flat water (perfect) and a Kode 86 when it get choppy, but that still feel too big in the chop. I now have the opportunity to buy either a Fanatic tri wave 76l or a Stubby 77, thinking that reducing volume might help in rough water. Has anyone experience these boards and could comment if they might be suitable to ride in non wave, strong wind choppy inlet type condition and which one would suit best? Even any advice on choice for non wave riding small volume board for small people would be appreciated. The options appear limited...cheers
Tri wave will have more control in stronger winds. Stubby even though same volume will sail/ feel like a bigger board in strong winds
out of those 2 boards i'd recommend the stubby. the stubby is such a great board which was developed by a light weight so it suits lighter sailors very well. feedback from friends the smaller sizes are better and are very fun to sail bump and jump conditions.
another board you may find worth looking at is the JP single thruster 74lt.
Depends what you want...pure control, speed.
At 62 kg., a 65 liter board is recommended for 25+.
You can uphaul a 75 liter board, so it's considered big.
I only now use weed fins in strong winds. They are faster across the wind and downwind especially so it may be the answer over a smaller board.
They massively help to keep down the board down and if you get a good one they are more comfortable / enjoyable to sail than pointers.
The 31 cm Tribal Speed Weed that i use on my 100 litre has forever changed my thinking on fins.
The best control for pointer fins is the Techtronic Falcon.
Unfortunately most brands don't have 75lt or smaller fsw boards.
It would olso be nice to know which wave boards are more fsw like, early planing, fast and controlled.
Select to expand quoteBennn said..
Hi guys,
I am 62 kg and struggle to find a board for strong wind (25+kts). I generally sail in an inlet and ride a Falcon 86l on flat water (perfect) and a Kode 86 when it get choppy, but that still feel too big in the chop. I now have the opportunity to buy either a Fanatic tri wave 76l or a Stubby 77, thinking that reducing volume might help in rough water. Has anyone experience these boards and could comment if they might be suitable to ride in non wave, strong wind choppy inlet type condition and which one would suit best? Even any advice on choice for non wave riding small volume board for small people would be appreciated. The options appear limited...cheers
Hi, I am close in weight (70 Kg) and my smallest board is a Kode FSW 81, it helps a lot in 4.2 conditions as a step down from my RRD FSW 90. I would stay away from the Fanatic Stubby unless maybe if it is a 2020. The large tail and squared outline of the previous model years does not sit well with light weights. I spent a day on a 85 2018 trying to decide on a new board and it felt like a barge. The stubby tail was reduced in 2020 but still we need less power than big guys!
If I were you I would consider the new RRD FSW 78, 224x56, or an equivalent 75-80 board. RRDs are just lovely easy boards and the new Y26 look fantastic. I am considering getting a 84 to take the place of the 90 and 81!
equipment.robertoriccidesigns.com/products/freestyle-wave-y26/
Select to expand quoteSea Lotus said..
Unfortunately most brands don't have 75lt or smaller fsw boards.
It would olso be nice to know which wave boards are more fsw like, early planing, fast and controlled.
That is very much my issue and what I am trying to clarify.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
That's pretty windy - 70L FSW for you in 25kn
Then you'll have some control :)
That would be ideal. Can you think of any brand/year that produced one? I try to avoid going down the custom board road...
2020 Fanatic freewave te has 75lt size, looks perfect.
Patrik f-wave looks like a freewave although it is advertised as a wave board, it has 75lt.
In semi customs, Flikka and Carbon Art have nice options.
I (62kg) chosed to get a Goya c3p because Fanatic was not available and i got a very good deal for it. Goya is a great board but i wouldn't recommend if you have steap/frequent chops at your spot, and its not as early planing as fsw boards, speed is ok, turns and jumps are great.
Select to expand quoteBennn said..Mark _australia said..
That's pretty windy - 70L FSW for you in 25kn
Then you'll have some control :)
That would be ideal. Can you think of any brand/year that produced one? I try to avoid going down the custom board road...
Old RRD
there was always about a 77L ish
I think JP for a while and Tabou 3S way back
Select to expand quoteBennn said..Sea Lotus said..
Unfortunately most brands don't have 75lt or smaller fsw boards.
It would olso be nice to know which wave boards are more fsw like, early planing, fast and controlled.
That is very much my issue and what I am trying to clarify.
I would not be too hang up on volume. First you never know if a, say, 75 Fanatic is really smaller than a, say, 77 Goya, and second boards do sail much better than 12-15 years ago and even in high wind situations can carry a bit more volume. Which is good: I had plenty (old style) 68-75L boards that were great for the 20' of perfect 3.7 conditions, and miserable the second the wind dropped a few knots ...
If anything I would pick the board based on width, and in your case a 55-56 wide (75-80L) would be good ... that is, just to insist 
, 2021 RRD FSW 78 ... 56 wide 224 long ..
Select to expand quoteSea Lotus said..
Unfortunately most brands don't have 75lt or smaller fsw boards.
It would olso be nice to know which wave boards are more fsw like, early planing, fast and controlled.
Simmer Quantum is available as a 75L and they will do smaller I believe. The designer is on the small side and develops their boards around very real-world conditions.
The Quantum is considered their windswell board and is designed to be ridden a bit big. I own an 85L V3 (2017?) Which at my 86-88kg plus quite a lot of neoprene is my smallest board. I ride it down to 3.7m in +40kts no problem.
Its a proper waveboard but it definitely has some FSW DNA in there and it planes through gybes beautifully.
Select to expand quoteduzzi said..Bennn said..
Hi guys,
I am 62 kg and struggle to find a board for strong wind (25+kts). I generally sail in an inlet and ride a Falcon 86l on flat water (perfect) and a Kode 86 when it get choppy, but that still feel too big in the chop. I now have the opportunity to buy either a Fanatic tri wave 76l or a Stubby 77, thinking that reducing volume might help in rough water. Has anyone experience these boards and could comment if they might be suitable to ride in non wave, strong wind choppy inlet type condition and which one would suit best? Even any advice on choice for non wave riding small volume board for small people would be appreciated. The options appear limited...cheers
Hi, I am close in weight (70 Kg) and my smallest board is a Kode FSW 81, it helps a lot in 4.2 conditions as a step down from my RRD FSW 90. I would stay away from the Fanatic Stubby unless maybe if it is a 2020. The large tail and squared outline of the previous model years does not sit well with light weights. I spent a day on a 85 2018 trying to decide on a new board and it felt like a barge. The stubby tail was reduced in 2020 but still we need less power than big guys!
If I were you I would consider the new RRD FSW 78, 224x56, or an equivalent 75-80 board. RRDs are just lovely easy boards and the new Y26 look fantastic. I am considering getting a 84 to take the place of the 90 and 81!
equipment.robertoriccidesigns.com/products/freestyle-wave-y26/
Not sure if you knew but the 77 and 88 lt stubby's were designed by a 72kg rider.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..Bennn said..Mark _australia said..
That's pretty windy - 70L FSW for you in 25kn
Then you'll have some control :)
That would be ideal. Can you think of any brand/year that produced one? I try to avoid going down the custom board road...
Old RRD
there was always about a 77L ish
I think JP for a while and Tabou 3S way back
As above, one of the older narrow tail sub 80L fsw with a small wave fin works well in high wind rough water, non wave conditions. They plane up well and have a good turn of speed. If your going down from a slalom board then you may find a wave board a little dull.
I am about 20kg heavier so may be totally of the mark for a lightweight like yourself. If you're in Sydney id be happy to lend you my seldom used, old, JP FSW 78 to try.
The Simmer Quantum is designed by a swedish Professor (Ola Helenius) of mathematics at the technical highscool in gothenburg/Sweden. I?m sure he knows exactly what he is doing, a lot of mechanical thinking about flow, waves etc.
So, you guys think the designer is key?
I think, LUCK getting to the best prototype leading to a good shape.
Of course, all board designers have made both good and bad boards.
Select to expand quoteGestalt said..duzzi said..Bennn said..
Hi guys,
I am 62 kg and struggle to find a board for strong wind (25+kts). I generally sail in an inlet and ride a Falcon 86l on flat water (perfect) and a Kode 86 when it get choppy, but that still feel too big in the chop. I now have the opportunity to buy either a Fanatic tri wave 76l or a Stubby 77, thinking that reducing volume might help in rough water. Has anyone experience these boards and could comment if they might be suitable to ride in non wave, strong wind choppy inlet type condition and which one would suit best? Even any advice on choice for non wave riding small volume board for small people would be appreciated. The options appear limited...cheers
Hi, I am close in weight (70 Kg) and my smallest board is a Kode FSW 81, it helps a lot in 4.2 conditions as a step down from my RRD FSW 90. I would stay away from the Fanatic Stubby unless maybe if it is a 2020. The large tail and squared outline of the previous model years does not sit well with light weights. I spent a day on a 85 2018 trying to decide on a new board and it felt like a barge. The stubby tail was reduced in 2020 but still we need less power than big guys!
If I were you I would consider the new RRD FSW 78, 224x56, or an equivalent 75-80 board. RRDs are just lovely easy boards and the new Y26 look fantastic. I am considering getting a 84 to take the place of the 90 and 81!
equipment.robertoriccidesigns.com/products/freestyle-wave-y26/
Not sure if you knew but the 77 and 88 lt stubby's were designed by a 72kg rider.
I can only talk about my experience, and what works for a Pro does not necessarily work for a normal sailor. But I think we are talking about two different boards. As I mentioned I was talking about the FSW 85.
Anyway, it is a moot issue: Fanatic has pretty much abandoned the stubby "idea". The FSW stubbies were "normalized" in 2020, and the stubby waves have completely disappeared from the 2021 line up ...
Plenty other options for Benn: the JP FSW 79, Goya Custom 3 75 or 81, Starboard UltraKode 78, RRD FSW 78 and Cult 74, etc ...
To think all boards made today are the epitome of advancing S of the Art is just naive.
All boards designs are in a constant state of evolution, so plenty of variance....good, middling, ok, not so good.
And current boards have certain users in mind, and often mismatched.
Think. Even boards made for pro team riders get rejected by the rider after a, or a few sessions.
What makes WE think we can hit the nail on the head each and every time?
But back to subject.
62 kg rider needs around 65 liters for high wind control.
Sure, you can fudge higher....but you're fudging.
Select to expand quoteWaiting4wind said..Mark _australia said..Bennn said..Mark _australia said..
That's pretty windy - 70L FSW for you in 25kn
Then you'll have some control :)
That would be ideal. Can you think of any brand/year that produced one? I try to avoid going down the custom board road...
Old RRD
there was always about a 77L ish
I think JP for a while and Tabou 3S way back
As above, one of the older narrow tail sub 80L fsw with a small wave fin works well in high wind rough water, non wave conditions. They plane up well and have a good turn of speed. If your going down from a slalom board then you may find a wave board a little dull.
I am about 20kg heavier so may be totally of the mark for a lightweight like yourself. If you're in Sydney id be happy to lend you my seldom used, old, JP FSW 78 to try.
Thanks for the offer I'm in NZ..Much appreciated.
Select to expand quoteasturcon said..
The Simmer Quantum is designed by a swedish Professor (Ola Helenius) of mathematics at the technical highscool in gothenburg/Sweden. I?m sure he knows exactly what he is doing, a lot of mechanical thinking about flow, waves etc.
If you want a window into that particular designer's thought process:
www.sailboardsforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=116
The OP isn't very descriptive about what "choppy" means. It could be everything from decently formed windswell like the Gorge (a river in Oregon) which is quite fun on an efficient waveboard to nasty hip high voodoo chop where all you really want is a smooth ride but no real desire to turn on anything.
Narrow tails with single fins or at most small thrusters and a bunch of Vee seem to be what is called for in the second example.
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
But back to subject.
62 kg rider needs around 65 liters for high wind control.
Sure, you can fudge higher....but you're fudging.
Depends on how consistent your wind is..
Select to expand quoteduzzi said..Gestalt said..duzzi said..Bennn said..
Hi guys,
I am 62 kg and struggle to find a board for strong wind (25+kts). I generally sail in an inlet and ride a Falcon 86l on flat water (perfect) and a Kode 86 when it get choppy, but that still feel too big in the chop. I now have the opportunity to buy either a Fanatic tri wave 76l or a Stubby 77, thinking that reducing volume might help in rough water. Has anyone experience these boards and could comment if they might be suitable to ride in non wave, strong wind choppy inlet type condition and which one would suit best? Even any advice on choice for non wave riding small volume board for small people would be appreciated. The options appear limited...cheers
Hi, I am close in weight (70 Kg) and my smallest board is a Kode FSW 81, it helps a lot in 4.2 conditions as a step down from my RRD FSW 90. I would stay away from the Fanatic Stubby unless maybe if it is a 2020. The large tail and squared outline of the previous model years does not sit well with light weights. I spent a day on a 85 2018 trying to decide on a new board and it felt like a barge. The stubby tail was reduced in 2020 but still we need less power than big guys!
If I were you I would consider the new RRD FSW 78, 224x56, or an equivalent 75-80 board. RRDs are just lovely easy boards and the new Y26 look fantastic. I am considering getting a 84 to take the place of the 90 and 81!
equipment.robertoriccidesigns.com/products/freestyle-wave-y26/
Not sure if you knew but the 77 and 88 lt stubby's were designed by a 72kg rider.
I can only talk about my experience, and what works for a Pro does not necessarily work for a normal sailor. But I think we are talking about two different boards. As I mentioned I was talking about the FSW 85.
Anyway, it is a moot issue: Fanatic has pretty much abandoned the stubby "idea". The FSW stubbies were "normalized" in 2020, and the stubby waves have completely disappeared from the 2021 line up ...
Plenty other options for Benn: the JP FSW 79, Goya Custom 3 75 or 81, Starboard UltraKode 78, RRD FSW 78 and Cult 74, etc ...
I think you are right. I was talking about the stubby te. A lightweight mate rips on his for high wind bump and jump. His lightwind board was the 95lt freewave.
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
But back to subject.
62 kg rider needs around 65 liters for high wind control.
Sure, you can fudge higher....but you're fudging.
+1
For your weight, just get the smallest board you can find. Ideally 65 - 70 litres for 25+ knots. If you're an intermediate sailor, get a wave board or a FSW (kode is fine but swap your 86 for the smallest model they make [73?]). Not a stubby, they're not designed for strong winds and mushy water and not suited for many riders.
Reducing your board size is almost as important as reducing your sail size in high winds. You will find it a revelation and will enjoy the thrill of high wind sailing.
FYI I'm 80kg and use a 95 for light and 75 for strong winds.
I'm 79 kgs, and use 78 liters for high wind, 85 for medium wind, 102 for average wind, and 111 for light wind.
Select to expand quoteMuppet said..LeeD said..
But back to subject.
62 kg rider needs around 65 liters for high wind control.
Sure, you can fudge higher....but you're fudging.
+1
For your weight, just get the smallest board you can find. Ideally 65 - 70 litres for 25+ knots. If you're an intermediate sailor, get a wave board or a FSW (kode is fine but swap your 86 for the smallest model they make [73?]). Not a stubby, they're not designed for strong winds and mushy water and not suited for many riders.
Reducing your board size is almost as important as reducing your sail size in high winds. You will find it a revelation and will enjoy the thrill of high wind sailing.
FYI I'm 80kg and use a 95 for light and 75 for strong winds.
It depends on how consistent is the wind where you sail and if there is a wind line ... Where I am at 72Kg I use 81 90 FSW and 96 109 slalom. The 81 is more than fine in 3.7 conditions.
Select to expand quoteMuppet said..LeeD said..
But back to subject.
62 kg rider needs around 65 liters for high wind control.
Sure, you can fudge higher....but you're fudging.
+1
For your weight, just get the smallest board you can find. Ideally 65 - 70 litres for 25+ knots. If you're an intermediate sailor, get a wave board or a FSW (kode is fine but swap your 86 for the smallest model they make [73?]). Not a stubby, they're not designed for strong winds and mushy water and not suited for many riders.
Reducing your board size is almost as important as reducing your sail size in high winds. You will find it a revelation and will enjoy the thrill of high wind sailing.
FYI I'm 80kg and use a 95 for light and 75 for strong winds.
Im curious what it is about a stubby that makes you think that.
