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Choosing a decent boom - what do you rate

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Created by russh > 9 months ago, 26 Apr 2009
russh
SA, 3027 posts
27 Jul 2009 10:11PM
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I must say that the North boom is tougher than my ribs and my best attempt at breaking it with a blown wave jump and landing on my boom broke rib number three quite nicely - the ten beers and a hand full of painkillers worked well on Saturday night - into Sunday but by Monday ouchewawa and a visit to the quacks revealed all!!

(at least I'll get at least another 6 weeks out of this boom while I am in dry dock)

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
27 Jul 2009 9:53PM
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russh said...

I must say that the North boom is tougher than my ribs and my best attempt at breaking it with a blown wave jump and landing on my boom broke rib number three quite nicely - the ten beers and a hand full of painkillers worked well on Saturday night - into Sunday but by Monday ouchewawa and a visit to the quacks revealed all!!

(at least I'll get at least another 6 weeks out of this boom while I am in dry dock)


My sympathies russh, it will be at least a couple of weeks before you can roll over in bed without waking up in serious pain

russh
SA, 3027 posts
28 Jul 2009 9:35AM
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nebbian said...



My sympathies russh, it will be at least a couple of weeks before you can roll over in bed without waking up in serious pain



Look closely and you can see a rough spot on the edge - thats where the ribs should meet.

Know what you mean Nebbian - Getting out of the bed in the morning and sneezing at any time I find the worst - but hey its the small price we pay for such a fantastic sport - up until that happened it was such a great sail - sunshine, nice waves, 5-30knts off cross off - no wind on the inside and overpowered out the back typical day street - whales popping up unexpectedly (very large ones) and plenty of crew on the water

We have just had such an awesome winter of wind its a nice chance to get some repairs done (body and gear) sailing at least three times every week and most of them with some small but fun waves

Come on sept.

evets
WA, 685 posts
29 Jul 2009 10:06PM
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Ouch (rolling over in bed, laughing, hicoughing... so many ways to find how bad your ribs are)


Back on topic
I have a Hydrodynamix ally boom. Front finally broke (it had done >3000kms), Paul at Hydrodynamix fitted a new front end for me for a very reasonable price. Result: one happy Evets.

If you go for ally I recommend Hydronamix. The fact they are sourced by an australian who gives great customer service meant I made the right choice.

windgeorge
WA, 108 posts
1 Aug 2009 4:07AM
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aeron simmer aeron simmer its that simple

brad1
QLD, 232 posts
2 Aug 2009 10:13PM
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ok now let's talk about the differrence between Np X3 and X6, lets say180-230cm
both the same diameter, however the X6 is 100g heavier. Personally I just don't see the point of the hybrid assembly. If you want stiffness go for all carbon. From an engineering point of view I really can't see that the tail piece in carbon is going to offer much, if any more stiffness, I think it's just a nice piece of marketing. To get picky one really needs to mount both booms to a bench and load test them, or can anyone verify the difference in feel?

Sepp
24 posts
4 Aug 2009 5:35PM
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By far the most durable booms are the new AL360 carbon booms from italy. Even "the destroyer" Björn Dunkerbeck was not able to break one so far. Some other PWA surfers are also using these booms this year. Check this site www.al360.it

Well, it is the best boom BUT also by far the most expensive. My slalom boom 190-245 cost me some 820 Euro. And it's still quite difficult to find a dealer here in europe. I guess it's almost impossible to get one down in AUS.

Believe me, once you have such a boom in your hands, you want to have one. The grip area has 29mm and a special kind of oval shape, front and rear area of the tube is beefed up to some 40mm in diameter and there are no holes drilled into the aft telescope tubes, they are all moulded. So there cant get any water inside the boom like at my X6 and X9 booms.

Joe

mkseven
QLD, 2315 posts
4 Aug 2009 8:31PM
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brad1 said...

ok now let's talk about the differrence between Np X3 and X6, lets say180-230cm
both the same diameter, however the X6 is 100g heavier. Personally I just don't see the point of the hybrid assembly. If you want stiffness go for all carbon. From an engineering point of view I really can't see that the tail piece in carbon is going to offer much, if any more stiffness, I think it's just a nice piece of marketing. To get picky one really needs to mount both booms to a bench and load test them, or can anyone verify the difference in feel?


I've not used the pryde's but can comment on the prolimit hybrid vs standard. The hybrid is an improvement but I feel this is mainly noted by heavier sailors who notice less draft movement in gusts, so unless you sail quite powered up you wont notice a great deal between the two. Personally I have quite a few booms, but generally if I go over the half way point on the extension I will use a carbon back end. Looking at my carbon, hybrid and alu booms when sailing it isn't so much the back end that bends rather the rear of the front section, the carbon backend reinforces that area better. But yes beefing up one part such as using stiff carbon extension tubes moves the weak spot to either the aluminium arms or the bend in the carbon back end.

For the prolimits the carbon backends also have the pulley system set up for adjustable outhaul whereas the standard aren't suitable.

I don't know about those booms from Italy, there are a few design features which point towards a stiffer boom, most of these can be seen on the Mauisails carbons:
Backend- as said above alot of flex occurs at the bend point, this is reduced by widening the curve or going to a reinforced non-curved section such as the mauis.
Main section tubes- stiffened by thicker tubes, larger diameter tubes or elongated tubes.
Front end- monocoque, wider more progressive curve.
The italian booms feature a few of these and do look good, but I don't know whether they would be more durable than other booms. Dunky doesn't sail formula and that is where I would be looking to see which booms last.

Sepp
24 posts
5 Aug 2009 3:51PM
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Aren't many top formula surfer using custom made backends? I cant find these wide spread ends on official websites of boom manufacturers.

tim90
WA, 66 posts
5 Aug 2009 7:40PM
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Sepp said...

By far the most durable booms are the new AL360 carbon booms from italy. Even "the destroyer" Björn Dunkerbeck was not able to break one so far. Some other PWA surfers are also using these booms this year. Check this site www.al360.it

Well, it is the best boom BUT also by far the most expensive. My slalom boom 190-245 cost me some 820 Euro. And it's still quite difficult to find a dealer here in europe. I guess it's almost impossible to get one down in AUS.

Believe me, once you have such a boom in your hands, you want to have one. The grip area has 29mm and a special kind of oval shape, front and rear area of the tube is beefed up to some 40mm in diameter and there are no holes drilled into the aft telescope tubes, they are all moulded. So there cant get any water inside the boom like at my X6 and X9 booms.

Joe



McAfee just found trojans in temp internet files from that link..... hmmmm

Have looked at the booms (on the site) before (without any virus warnings!) and they look good. I like the idea of an oval shaped tube because one could expect smaller feeling grip for the same stiffness in the plane the boom typically distorts.

ddevil
WA, 43 posts
6 Aug 2009 10:01PM
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brad1 said...

ok now let's talk about the differrence between Np X3 and X6, lets say180-230cm
both the same diameter, however the X6 is 100g heavier. Personally I just don't see the point of the hybrid assembly. If you want stiffness go for all carbon. From an engineering point of view I really can't see that the tail piece in carbon is going to offer much, if any more stiffness, I think it's just a nice piece of marketing. To get picky one really needs to mount both booms to a bench and load test them, or can anyone verify the difference in feel?


I have sailed both the X3 and the X6 and I'm using a Technolimits full carbon now. The difference in stiffness between X3 and X6 is negligible IMHO, whereas the difference between X6 and Technolimits full carbon is massive. I thought the swing weight of the X6 was maybe a bit less than the X3, but then I'm not 100% sure. And the X6 had a smaller diameter than the X3 which I liked.

SURF magazine measured the stiffness of booms 2-3 years ago and their test included NP and Prolimits alu and hybrid booms. According to their measurments hybrid booms were pretty much exactly as stiff as alu booms. However, the hybrids had smaller diameter.

I think hybrids are maybe not entirely marketing only, but I'd rather buy either an inexpensive alu boom or an expensive but really stiff full carbon boom (_really_ worth it).

Sepp
24 posts
7 Aug 2009 3:32PM
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Got my AL360 E3 190-245 full carbon slalom boom yesterday. Due to the length the weight is on the heavier side but comparable to that of a X9 200-250.

I'll take some pics at the weekend.

puffin
235 posts
9 Aug 2009 11:18PM
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russh said...

I must say that the North boom is tougher than my ribs


I've done that trick...didn't quite break the rib, but the x ray technician said my ribs looked like what they see when the police get shot wearing bulletproof vests. Apparently that hurts like hell!

On carbon booms I sail Fiberspar and Maui Sails. My only complaint with the Maui Sails is that the grip material isn't as robust as that on the Fiberspars (though the rest of the boom is outstanding.) Haven't broken a Maui boom yet, but have no doubt that a sufficiently bad landing could do the trick.

mkseven
QLD, 2315 posts
10 Aug 2009 1:54PM
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Just picked up my new prolimit assault boom (full alloy but im making it a hybrid), thought it was identical to last years as the graphics are unchanged but on unwrapping it there have been a few changes.

Backend is now slightly wider curve and the roller fitting has been added to the alloy backend, whilst never a problem with wavesails it is welcome for racesails and adjustable outhaul systems.

Frontend has changed again- last year they improved it significantly by beefing up the wrap around bit and added a clip-on attachment for rdms. I always found that it slipped on rdm masts and promptly threw it in the pile of junk. This year they have extended the section that sits on front of mast and the rdm attachment is about 1cm smaller diameter than previous year so it should work well.

lee1972
QLD, 921 posts
14 Aug 2009 5:55PM
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Has anyone had any experience with the Aeron booms, im looking at up grading my prolimit ali .

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
14 Aug 2009 6:36PM
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lee1972 said...


Has anyone had any experience with the Aeron booms, im looking at up grading my prolimit ali .




Just bought an Monocoque Aluminium Aeron recently and I have to say great boom. Very versatile too - you can gybe it either palm down or palm up

timford
NSW, 510 posts
15 Aug 2009 6:47PM
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sausage said...

lee1972 said...


Has anyone had any experience with the Aeron booms, im looking at up grading my prolimit ali .




Just bought an Monocoque Aluminium Aeron recently and I have to say great boom. Very versatile too - you can gybe it either palm down or palm up


have 2 of them and they are bloody great!!

Muzza12
NSW, 546 posts
16 Aug 2009 1:43AM
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mkseven said...
Dunky doesn't sail formula and that is where I would be looking to see which booms last.


I reckon Dunkerbeck going over the bars and 40+ knots while hooked in would be a bit more of a test for booms than formula sailing.
I'd also put money on him using another brand of boom pretty soon!

mkseven
QLD, 2315 posts
17 Aug 2009 3:20PM
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I think you'll find dunky knows how to crash at 40knots, and that wouldn't tend to be hooked in. He'll use who pays him the most, and it doesn't matter how many he breaks so long as they last him to the end of a race.

lee1972
QLD, 921 posts
17 Aug 2009 10:28PM
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does anyone in nsw stock these aeron booms??

timford said...

sausage said...

lee1972 said...


Has anyone had any experience with the Aeron booms, im looking at up grading my prolimit ali .




Just bought an Monocoque Aluminium Aeron recently and I have to say great boom. Very versatile too - you can gybe it either palm down or palm up


have 2 of them and they are bloody great!!


timford
NSW, 510 posts
19 Aug 2009 9:49PM
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lee1972 said...

does anyone in nsw stock these aeron booms??
timford said...

sausage said...

lee1972 said...


Has anyone had any experience with the Aeron booms, im looking at up grading my prolimit ali .




Just bought an Monocoque Aluminium Aeron recently and I have to say great boom. Very versatile too - you can gybe it either palm down or palm up


have 2 of them and they are bloody great!!





WS'n'S

Muzza12
NSW, 546 posts
20 Aug 2009 7:20PM
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mkseven said...

I think you'll find dunky knows how to crash at 40knots, and that wouldn't tend to be hooked in. He'll use who pays him the most, and it doesn't matter how many he breaks so long as they last him to the end of a race.


Dunky doesn't have the aforementioned boom branded anywhere, so I'm not sure they are paying him. I think the only thing going through your mind when going over the bars at that speed is self protection, not the longevity of your boom.

Muzza12
NSW, 546 posts
20 Aug 2009 7:26PM
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I've just got some Severne blueline (alloy)booms. I ordered the redline (carbon) booms, but had to wait for them to arrive, so I got the blueline to use in the meantime.
To be honest I might not worry about the redlines, these ones feel unreal and are super stiff.
I didn't think I would ever go back to alloy, particularly after using MauiSails carbon booms which are very good booms as well.

stringer
WA, 703 posts
25 Aug 2009 4:51PM
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HAS ANYONE GOT ANYTHIGN TO SAY ABOUT THE HYPERSONIC CARBON BOOMS? 162-222 ?

swoosh
QLD, 1928 posts
25 Aug 2009 6:58PM
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Muzza12 said...

I've just got some Severne blueline (alloy)booms. I ordered the redline (carbon) booms, but had to wait for them to arrive, so I got the blueline to use in the meantime.
To be honest I might not worry about the redlines, these ones feel unreal and are super stiff.
I didn't think I would ever go back to alloy, particularly after using MauiSails carbon booms which are very good booms as well.



that makes no sense at all... first you say the alloy booms are awesome and u don't even need a carbon boom... then you say after using a carbon boom you would never go back to alloy... which is it?

Muzza12
NSW, 546 posts
25 Aug 2009 8:20PM
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I'm not sure what you're reading. It looks like I said I "DIDN'T" think I'd go back to alloy!

I'll try and talk a bit slower for you swoosh. I think it's called 'queenslandish'!

Carbon booms, particularly the MauiSails one I have been using are awesome, no question.
The Severne alloy one I have been using for the past few weeks is exceptionally stiff for an alloy boom and a very comfortable shape... I love it. In fact I love it so much I'm questioning the benefit of getting another carbon boom. I guess the 2 things that would sway me is the smaller diameter of a carbon boom and the longevity of a carbon boom.
If you're questioning me selling a carbon in the first place, it is because I was changing brands from MauiSails to Severne.

swoosh
QLD, 1928 posts
26 Aug 2009 7:52AM
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i'm a spas, i read that as don't.

Eitherway, I'm of the same opinion, I reckon a good alloy boom is just fine, especially for smaller booms. I use a maui-sails ally, damn nice boom. Used to also have a north silver boom, which was floppy has hell (It was my first boom, probably about 5 years old and second hand, so not a dig at north booms), but to be honest changing from that to the much stiffer maui-sails boom wasn't a huge difference for me, I suppose being a lightweight helps.



DavMen
NSW, 1509 posts
26 Aug 2009 8:29AM
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I have just purchased and used an Aeron alloy - feels nice and stiff, love the profile - only time will tell if goes the distance - but it does give me confidence.

It has a clamp insert, so as to fit skinny masts, great feature. I would prefer to use the ezzy shim ,but I have a problem. Without the supplied areon insert, that is in SDM mode, I can't fit the clamp around my Ezzy RDM with c/w nolimitz shim.
Anybody else with this problem?

Still happy to use the Aeron with the supplied insert.

lao shi
WA, 1338 posts
26 Aug 2009 8:47AM
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I too have an Aeron and cannot fit the powerex mast shim in the front end without the adapter. The adapter is fine but does scuff up the mast a bit.

Muzza12
NSW, 546 posts
26 Aug 2009 11:37AM
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that's alright swoosh, I couldn't help have a dig at a queenslander after the footy on the weekend!



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