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Created by KA360 > 9 months ago, 20 Dec 2012
KA360
NSW, 803 posts
25 Dec 2012 12:37AM
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Sorry Byron! I misinterpreted your post.

Anyway, the Wave Nationals are on for a week between 16 and 23 Feb so we'll be in Gerroa.

Oh well, it was a spur of the moment idea and hasn't been planned far enough ahead. There's a lot going on Windsurfing wise in NSW this year and in one way that's a good thing. Even without that, people are really busy this time of year. It will be difficult to find dates that suit everyone but maybe we should try to do this a few times each summer and people come when they can. I think having it during the school holidays is best if possible and we should go ahead for any who can make it on 12 and 13 Jan.

CaptainHadoc
NSW, 128 posts
26 Dec 2012 12:42AM
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KA360 said...
Are you/his parents able to come down to Sanctuary Point mid Jan?

Give me a ring - He is about ready to use an S-type for a few sessions (same for Elli).

We're trying to organise something, I'll ring you if we do.
Definitely ready to move on the S-Type in my opinion...

Zfy
NSW, 51 posts
30 Dec 2012 1:28PM
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I'd be super keen to get involved.
I was planning on getting my two started this summer but I've had to put it off while I'm on crutches and out of the water for the summer. In fact I've had to put it off the past few summers... I seem to always be out of the water at the wrong time.
I've taught a few thousand (literally) kids to windsurf through outdoor ed programs which really just gives them a taste and is mostly done on the wrong type of gear (big boards with small sails).
I did introduce a kids program into my windsurf school which I ran separately from the outdoor ed stuff which was aimed at teaching kids to windsurf properly in the hope of them continuing the sport.
I had kids 8 and 9 years old picking it up very quickly and had one 6 year old girl who tagged along with her cousins wanting to give it a try. She had little success on the school boards even with a 1.6 sail, but when I rigged up the same sail on my 90 litre freestyle board she got going in a very short time.
I'm out for this summer, but will be keen for next summer. I should have some suitable gear for the younger crew by then too.
Although I run a windsurf school I like the idea of doing these free programs a few time a year. Maybe some shops/distributors could get behind it and offer some demo gear.
Keep the idea going KA360, hopefully the momentum will build in time for next summer.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
30 Dec 2012 2:07PM
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This is a great idea.

I'd like to get out of the city and might turn up on the weekend of the 12th. Is there any recommended accommodation at Sanctuary Point?

KA360
NSW, 803 posts
3 Jan 2013 2:09AM
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evlPanda said...
This is a great idea.

I'd like to get out of the city and might turn up on the weekend of the 12th. Is there any recommended accommodation at Sanctuary Point?


That would be great! I haven't got much idea regarding accommodation unfortunately. A house we stayed in once doesn't seem to be available and the other one I wouldn't recommend. There are a few caravan parks around. Years ago we stayed at one at Huskisson which was nice but I checked out one at Sanctuary Point 2 years ago and drove home instead . If you do a google search, you could try anywhere from Huskisson, Vincentia, Sanctuary Point, St Georges Basin or Basin View. The last three locations will be the closest.

Perhaps try:

www.stayz.com.au/
www.takeabreak.com.au/

If I can help you out in some way though, let me know.

KA360
NSW, 803 posts
3 Jan 2013 2:59AM
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TonyMurray said...
I'd be super keen to get involved.
I was planning on getting my two started this summer but I've had to put it off while I'm on crutches and out of the water for the summer. In fact I've had to put it off the past few summers... I seem to always be out of the water at the wrong time.
I've taught a few thousand (literally) kids to windsurf through outdoor ed programs which really just gives them a taste and is mostly done on the wrong type of gear (big boards with small sails).
I did introduce a kids program into my windsurf school which I ran separately from the outdoor ed stuff which was aimed at teaching kids to windsurf properly in the hope of them continuing the sport.
I had kids 8 and 9 years old picking it up very quickly and had one 6 year old girl who tagged along with her cousins wanting to give it a try. She had little success on the school boards even with a 1.6 sail, but when I rigged up the same sail on my 90 litre freestyle board she got going in a very short time.
I'm out for this summer, but will be keen for next summer. I should have some suitable gear for the younger crew by then too.
Although I run a windsurf school I like the idea of doing these free programs a few time a year. Maybe some shops/distributors could get behind it and offer some demo gear.
Keep the idea going KA360, hopefully the momentum will build in time for next summer.


Sorry to hear that Tony and hope your luck improves for next year. I have already had some offers to provide gear from shops and distributors and that is very encouraging. As you can see, we don't have enough parents interested yet but hopefully that will change before next year. If not, I think there is still scope for like-minded people to get their kids together.

We have a few maybes for the weekend of 12 and 13 January (or just one of the days) and, if anyone ends up being able to come down then or at another time, please send me a PM if you want to meet up.

byronmc
NSW, 507 posts
4 Jan 2013 11:22AM
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I understand it is hard to make every one happy.
We would love to come but I will be racing that weekend.
We have to much racing this year making planing anything additional very hard.
Pree planing around the racing calander for next year would be the key to locking in an early date.
Cheers hope the wekend goes well.
I realy need somthing like this to get my kids going.

under finned
NSW, 76 posts
4 Jan 2013 3:41PM
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Sign me up for next year. With that sort of notice I'd look to get at least a full week booked in down there and the odd cheeky weekender around it. A bit overcommitted this summer already - none of it sailing related unfortunately

What are your target numbers for parents to be involved KA360? I thought the response was pretty encouraging to potentially take it to the next level of external sponsorship and paid/professional instructors (my vote for getting Barn on the job to teach kids solid technique, ironic comedy and MS Paint!).

Not sure how well developed next years sailing calendars are yet, but I think the opportunity to plan some "sponsor" style days at some of the bigger events gives you a solid captive audience of potential students? Getting a Slalom event down around Jarvis bay, a wave event close by and then heading up to Jimmy's for the Oceanics and you have a pretty good basis for a sponsored calendar just from competitors kids like byronmc. If these events have some sponsorship support and instructors you get to loosen the criteria on having a sailing parent and potentially get a few more kids involved by advertising it more broadly.

I still think the non-sponsored family get togethers are a given though! If we can't get our sh!te together to organise some weekends to do this next season it would be pretty disappointing indeed.

KA360
NSW, 803 posts
4 Jan 2013 5:17PM
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byronmc said...
I understand it is hard to make every one happy.
We would love to come but I will be racing that weekend.
We have to much racing this year making planing anything additional very hard.
Pree planing around the racing calander for next year would be the key to locking in an early date.
Cheers hope the wekend goes well.
I realy need somthing like this to get my kids going.


Great idea Byron!

So, when is the calendar available?

It would be good to arrange it early in the season, ideally during school holidays but what does everyone else think? If it's in school holidays, does it have to be on the weekend? Should it be held one weekend mid November instead? Then people could make arrangements to get together as appropriate during the summer as well.

KA360
NSW, 803 posts
4 Jan 2013 5:51PM
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under finned said...
What are your target numbers for parents to be involved KA360? I thought the response was pretty encouraging to potentially take it to the next level of external sponsorship and paid/professional instructors (my vote for getting Barn on the job to teach kids solid technique, ironic comedy and MS Paint!).

Not sure how well developed next years sailing calendars are yet, but I think the opportunity to plan some "sponsor" style days at some of the bigger events gives you a solid captive audience of potential students? Getting a Slalom event down around Jarvis bay, a wave event close by and then heading up to Jimmy's for the Oceanics and you have a pretty good basis for a sponsored calendar just from competitors kids like byronmc. If these events have some sponsorship support and instructors you get to loosen the criteria on having a sailing parent and potentially get a few more kids involved by advertising it more broadly.

I still think the non-sponsored family get togethers are a given though! If we can't get our sh!te together to organise some weekends to do this next season it would be pretty disappointing indeed.


The numbers for next year are not disappointing but what worries me is whether we will be able to get everyone to come at the same time.

You are totally on the mark about Barney - he would be my number 1 choice. But we are a bit ahead of ourselves at this point. We need to get a few kids up to the level where they can get something out of it. I would love to see that as part of the annual weekend if we can develop this to that point.

Another point that I'd like to make is around the potential of incorporating something in the adult events. While there may be merit in this and there may also be a need for kids windsurfing lessons (with paid instructors), I don't really have the resources to organise these. I think that windsurfing parents may appreciate having the option to pay for windsurfing instruction for their kids at events where they are competing, but that needs insurance, rescue facilities and of course people willing to teach the kids. This is maybe something for someone like Tony to come and do with instructors from his windsurf school. Looks like a need waiting to be met Tony

But, my original idea is along different lines. I'm trying to get a "captive audience of potential parents" not "potential students". Where I'm coming from is that I believe that we have lots to gain from teaching our own kids to windsurf. It is an opportunity to develop a really unique relationship with our own kids. And let's face it, if they choose to windsurf, we will have the responsibility for years of working with them to help them progress through the sport. Many people can't afford windsurfing lessons but want to teach their kids. This annual weekend is to fill that need. I'm hoping we can form a network of parents and kids to help and inspire each other and make teaching/learning easier and more fun.

Windsurfing is not about a couple of lessons - it's more like an apprenticeship. You need someone by your side to mentor you long term or have a buddy. You will need to shadow the kids, protect them and look for the right conditions and prepare gear into the future to develop their skills progressively. I have been teaching Alex on the water for 4 years now (and many on land before that) - there's no way I could have paid for that. I'm starting again now with my second child (daughter Elli age 7) and I just wanted to offer other windsurfers the chance to join me on the journey ahead. It is so cool to see what you can help your child achieve in the sport we all love.

BTW, what's even cooler is where that leads. I went to Gerroa today with Alex and we blasted around in 20 knots, carving it up and getting ready to attempt the loop...

under finned
NSW, 76 posts
4 Jan 2013 5:51PM
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a November weekend at Sanctuary Point is a great idea to kick off the season.

December is tough with school finishing, end of year events and christmas, but could look to do an adhoc weekend off the back of how things go in November? Might be an opportunity to tie this session into one of the sailing calendar events at the most appropriate location (when the calendars are out).

January is a given I would think for a weekend, possibly even extending into some weekdays? (I'd be looking to do a full week in Jan based around Sanctuary/Jervis).

February for a potential weekend also, probably again driven off how things have gone in Jan? Maybe another sailing calendar event - possibly the oceanics?

under finned
NSW, 76 posts
4 Jan 2013 6:42PM
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The idea of the "sponsored" weekends tied into adult events was not so much about shelling out for lessons, more around getting access to the infrastructure that goes with these events (so sponsors, gear and the broader windsurfing community present). It also might provide some structure around the dates we try and get together. For mine, this would only be in addition to any "core" weekends that we can arrange around your initial format of a like minded family weekend.

I agree that our motives and responsibilities as sailing parents are different and your idea of getting a group going together along that journey is truly admirable. Aligning it with some of the commercial/existing windsurfing groups along the way could be a benefit for all involved, although that it isn't necessarily a priority from where we are at now.

CaptainHadoc
NSW, 128 posts
7 Jan 2013 12:37AM
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Having seen what the kid I teach did last Saturday when sharing the spot with another guy about his age, it is obvious that emulation between kids is a very strong lever to force them to improve:
Seeing the other kid reaching upwind on the way back, mine suddenly stopped bearing away... I guess he didn't want to look bad going round the net for the fourth time of the day....

Brett Morris
NSW, 1204 posts
7 Jan 2013 10:23AM
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I would suggest including kids at the "NSW Windsurfing Tour" events.
That way it is more like mini holidays for the whole family, but there are resources available eg rescue boats.
You can build on it from there, eg hire someone to teach, have mini events/goals BBQs etc....

This would be a win-win for the actual events also as it would add another dimension and maybe encourage sponsors to be more supportive?

Pretty rough thought process, but i'm keen to push it....

PS, my 9yr old made a new windsurfing friend on the weekend and loved having someone his own age to sail with (above photo)...this is key to his long term enjoyment of the sport...

CaptainHadoc
NSW, 128 posts
7 Jan 2013 11:21AM
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Brett Morris said...
there are resources available eg rescue boats.

Seeing your son being towed back upwind by the yellow boat, it sure did look easier than carrying the gear around the net like we do with Teoh when he decides to go full downwind. And like I said above, it was really nice having these two on the water together. Teoh could (and did) learn a lot from your son upwind skills (though it's more about awareness and restrain in his case). And they sure enjoyed it. There's one great picture of them two on the facebook page teoh mother created for her son (a bit over the top in my opinion though ).
I won't post it here (for privacy reason), but you can PM me if she hasn't sent it to you yet.

mauiboy
NSW, 52 posts
7 Jan 2013 8:14PM
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Gday sailors

My kids and i think this is a great idea!

My daughter has been nagging me to get her a rig for a while now (shes 8).

If anyone is of the camping sorts i can highly reccomend a nice camp spot called myall lakes national park. It's super shallow and super safe for learning. It's where i learnt when i was 6 and where i still go to date to sail. The wind is however a little fickle, but for learning, PERFECT!!!

I cant make the original dates posted but am super keen for future days.

under finned
NSW, 76 posts
9 Jan 2013 1:27AM
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OK, summary of the contenders to date (from public info only). Apologies for errors/omissions, it's a start anyway. Thought it might be useful to tag those that do the NSW Events for planning purposes.

Mission is to try and find a few more that might have missed this post, I can think of a couple. I can also move this to google docs to make it accessible to just those on the list (not fully public) and open up the amount of info if appropriate? Might be useful as base level info for getting in contact with interested parties in addition to posting here on Seabreeze.



I think Akim's suggestion of prioritising a November date for a weekend is a good start. Might need to wait for the NSW WT event calendar to be out first before putting it in the diary though. Any idea when it is due out?

What next?

Brett Morris
NSW, 1204 posts
9 Jan 2013 11:22AM
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We will be at Hakes Nest (Jimmys Beach) from 24Jan13-03Feb13.
My 2 kids (7 and 9yrs) will be sailing every day.

There will also be the Race-board, Kids BIC's, and Formula events going on, so lots of activitiy with a big BBQ on the beach on Saturday 26Jan.

This is a beautifula holiday location with a safe flat water beach for the kids to learn.
We would love other parents and kids to come along. We would be happy to share gear etc.... www.hawksnestrealestate.com.au for accommodation ideas. booking this late you should be able to get last minute deals?

KA360
NSW, 803 posts
10 Jan 2013 12:01AM
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I'm sure everyone has figured out that this weekend will not be going ahead due to the fires in the area.

Unfortunately, we are doing the Guy Cribb course and can't go to Hawkes Nest either.

Under finned - I like your list - good start!

It's nice to see all the input and I think it will result in a good outcome for next year.

Obviously it will be useful to get the calendar as soon as possible.

Brett, I think there is a lot of merit in your proposal but as you say it needs to be refined. Some things you should think about is whether parents will be able to set aside time for the kids if they are competing. Also, for those not competing who might not want to come for the whole duration of the event, how will you ensure that the time allocated to the kids is not shifted around under the influence of those competing who are likely to want to secure the best wind conditions.

I'm tending to think that tacking something on to events will have it's place and the idea should be developed but is most likely to work when the kids have progressed and are ready to take a part in the event at some level. Otherwise, organising paid lessons to keep them occupied when the parents compete.

I think my original proposal needs it's own timeslot at least initially.

Once again, if anyone comes this way this summer and you want to meet up, please send me a PM.

CaptainHadoc
NSW, 128 posts
10 Jan 2013 1:03AM
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I'd like to mention the kid isn't mine....
And he has a 7 yo brother who had his first try the other day too. They each have their micro-freak rig. And they are based in Sydney



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