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Top 200 fins from GPS Speedsurfing Rankings

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Created by choco > 9 months ago, 16 Nov 2007
choco
SA, 4175 posts
16 Nov 2007 2:10PM
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Ok guys i was bored today,it's hot outside and nice and cool inside.
Anyway i have listed the fins(by brand) used by the top 200 GPS sailors off GPSspeed surfing site.
Happy reading
1- Tectonics 52 fins
2-Select 36
3-Time machine 14
4-Custom 15

5-Deboichet 12
6-Lockwood 10
6-C3 10
7-F2 Speed 8
7-BWF 6
7-Vector 6
7-Kai Hopf/meanline 6
8-Casper 5
9-Lessacher 4
10-Hurricane 3
10-Drake 3
10-Gsport 3
11-North Shore 2
11-Choco 2
12-Finworks 1
13-Art Blade 1
13-Curtis 1
13-Maui Fin Co 1
14-other 11

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
16 Nov 2007 3:57PM
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Interesting Choco, you obviously have an interest in fins mate, so I'll hit you up for some advice.

I'm a Joe Average with a 100L Kinetic Gladiator (freeride), 63cm wide which I use with a 6.6M sail in open water (ocean). I'm thinking of getting a Tectonics 30cm F1 fin for when the winds up, 18 to 25 knots. I borrowed an old 30cm Leading Edge Fin which spun out mobs, and was no faster than my Kinetic 32cm fin.

I've hit a 30 knot wall, with average speeds of 28, doesn't mater if the wind is 15 or 25 knots, same board speed.

So what's your thoughts on the 30cm F1 for me.

Cheers,
Bob.

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
16 Nov 2007 4:02PM
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Choco, you better help him out, otherwise I am going to beat him to that 30 knot target

Bender
WA, 2235 posts
16 Nov 2007 4:06PM
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Hey Mineral I have a couple of techy's. You can try one on Sundy. Might give you that extra couple of knots you need to get to 30knts

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
16 Nov 2007 4:19PM
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Mineral you rat, I've got to the 30 knot wall, just can't get over it.

Saw on the Team site that you're now knocking on my door, panic has set in

Congrats on your new Pb Old Fella

Bender if you have some, what's your thoughts mate

Bender
WA, 2235 posts
16 Nov 2007 4:28PM
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I rate Techtonic Goldwings very highly. I have the 34 and 30 and just got a Falcon 26 that i have not used yet.

The Goldwings work really well in powered to over powered conditions. That are quite stiff and fly up/down wind. I feel they work better on smooth water.

The Falcons have more of a flexilble tip ( i am told) so go better in choppy conditons. Snides uses them he may be able to add comments on the Falcons

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
16 Nov 2007 4:39PM
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No smooth water here, just chop and small wind driven waves, so what's your thoughts on the 30cm ?

Bender
WA, 2235 posts
16 Nov 2007 5:50PM
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IMHO 30cm F1 sounds like a good choice for all points of sailing.

If you want down wind top speed even with the 6.6m i would be looking a the 26cm or 28cm.

For Eg at Hardies Run i use Isonic 86, 6.4m X-15 with a 23cm speed weed fin.

Getting back up wind is no prob because when trying to go fast you should be fully lit and way ovewr powered. If this is the case getting up wind will be easy with such a small fin

choco
SA, 4175 posts
16 Nov 2007 9:52PM
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Hey Bob

You will love the Tectonic Falcon F1 it is prone to spinout when your not quite powered but once your powered up these fins just hang no matter how rough it gets and they are very fast off the wind!
The goldwing is a great powerful all round fin fast on all points, best bet is to try them out and see which one suits your sailing style.

Cheers

Choco

snides8
WA, 1731 posts
16 Nov 2007 10:37PM
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hello Firie,
the 30 sounds a tad small i think with the gear you are describing a 32 would be min size in the falcon.i would prob lean towards a 34 goldwing minimum (perhaps even 36) as tectonics off the shelf sizes finish at 32 although i believe you can order them bigger.
i use the 34 gold wing on my isonic 105 which has similar dimensions and it still feels slightly underfinned and i am around 73kg's at the moment.
snides

fitz66
QLD, 575 posts
17 Nov 2007 8:17AM
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Hey Bob I'm knocking on 30's door as well, just can't get there, 29.7knts so close yet so far. I see Green Islands firing today, I miss sailing there, had some good times there.

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
17 Nov 2007 11:33AM
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Thanks guys, been on night shift.

The problem for me Bender is my wind is normally sub 20, it's a rare day my 6.6 is too big I'll use the Kinetic fin most the time I guess, and use a new fin for when it's 20+. I'm never going to break records here, just want to go faster, as we do. I'll cough up for a 5.7 sail after that for the same reason.

I'm up in the deep tropical north Choco, no chance of a try, but I'll get Troppo who's now in WA to try some and report back. I'm leaning towards the F1 because of my conditions.

Yeh maybe a 32 snides8, I think I'll email Tectonics and bleed their brains about size.

As you might know Fitz, Green's nearly always firing, just got to get the tide right and cough up the $50+ to get there, but worth it in spades when it's good
But rain on the coast here, so not looking good for the beach
In the last 15 years, I've seen so many face's go through here, so you don't ring a bell. If you got to Yorkey's, I was the old bloke with the red cattle dog.

Thanks again guys, time for a coffee,
Bob.

WINDSURFnSNOW
NSW, 1613 posts
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17 Nov 2007 1:47PM
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Snide's is bang on the money here. A 34 cm Goldwing would be sweet. 30cm on a 63 wide would be too small. You'll have less fin drag but a fair bit more board drag as the board won't get unstuck properly.

Sam.

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
17 Nov 2007 11:52AM
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Bob, thinks it time you wangled a transfer back to WA
Check Nebs out.
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=7183

Reckon they will need a bullock team to get him to go back home.

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
17 Nov 2007 12:14PM
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Yeh yeh I know Mineral, and you're right, I do miss the wind and family there, buttttttt
When you bump into Troppo ask him about where I live, it's heaven
I just wish I had the dough to holiday in da west

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
17 Nov 2007 12:19PM
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Thanks WINDSURFnSNOW, that's the problem, my standard fin is a 32 so I thought smaller would be better, but then another fin is a different beast I guess.

Very few windsurfers here and no shops, so I have to rely on you guys

fitz66
QLD, 575 posts
17 Nov 2007 6:21PM
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Hi Bob I used to live in Atherton so Tinaroo was my closed spot. Great adventures did a ticket for locals $125 for 25 trips to Green, it was awesome. Sailed at Yorkeys a few times and Ellis beach, used to sail with Fred, Hans another Bob ,Clem Jill to name a few

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
17 Nov 2007 5:48PM
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Hi Fitz, if it stops raining, I'll take my young fella up to the dam tomorrow, will say gidday for you. Was up there last week, and they were all there. I only go up there for my boy who I'm trying to encourage to windsurf. Winds too flukey for me, haven't sailed there for years. The photo on the side is at the dam, the only day where I could get a few runs in, normally have to swim back with no uphaul.
Got a couple of photos of hoppy Bob and old Hans in the photo section.

Off to night shift again so cheers,
Bob.

jp747
1553 posts
17 Nov 2007 10:32PM
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hiya bob, i tried the 34mfc and it added a knot and a half faster than the kinetic same with the 32cm hopefully will soon go the 30kt. club winds permitting even though for light winds and i don't bear off too broad still is fast..am just biased since this is the only fin that was never stock. i would say overall performance improved by 20-25%..a bit low since i haven't tried the techto's but a friend has been telling me unless your in maui where the wind is always heaps then techto is definitely fast but if the opposite where it's up and down then mfc is has power on all reaches..just my opinion..

25
WA, 319 posts
17 Nov 2007 11:24PM
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FBob
- I'm with Snides and WSNS (Sam?) too. I use a 32 or 33 F1 with my 6.6 on the gladiator 95 (59cm) - but I'm 95kg+. I use a 36 G'wing with the 6.6 on my 115. Not knowing your weight I reckon 33 or 34 G'wing or F1 (go about 1 cm larger if going for F1) on the (now sadly discontinued) 63cm wide Gladiator 100 would be good for you. The bigger fin will get the board up on the tail. The Tectonics are a fast foil so don't worry about a cm or 3 slowing you down. The kinetic fins are good durable all-rounders but in the cold light of day they are not in the tectonics 'speed' league. I have learned this lesson myself!
Wait for the Oz dollar to go gangbusters again (90c +) and get a couple of Tectonics fins direct with a mate a you'll land them for about $220 a piece.
Cheers

choco
SA, 4175 posts
18 Nov 2007 10:28AM
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On the PWA Tour the top 30 fins in Slalom 42

1-Deboichet 14
2-other 8 (no details of fins used)
3-Meanline 3
4-Vector 1
4-Maui FinCo 2
4-Curtis 1
4-Select 1

the top spots are nearly all Deboichet,expensive fins $425-$750+

Haggar
QLD, 1670 posts
18 Nov 2007 11:39AM
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Gr8 choco, can you give us a web link to the PWA stuff

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
18 Nov 2007 1:05PM
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choco said...



2-other 8 (no details of fins used)




Those are the guys that probably use the brands in the list but have sponsorship clashes or have to pay for their own fins so they don't give the manufacturer publicity. I wonder how many are Tectonics.......

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
18 Nov 2007 11:43AM
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Thanks 25, I knew there was a gun here on a Gladdy 95.

I'm about 82Kg and think the F1 would be the go in my conditions, choppy ocean, would you agree with the F1 and what length
And are you saying, just use it all the time instead of the Kinetic, or just when the wind is up

Don't worry if I take your advice and it doesn't work out, it's cool

Thanks in advance, I'm heading out and night shift again tonight,
Bob.

choco
SA, 4175 posts
18 Nov 2007 2:49PM
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sailquik said...

choco said...



2-other 8 (no details of fins used)




Those are the guys that probably use the brands in the list but have sponsorship clashes or have to pay for their own fins so they don't give the manufacturer publicity. I wonder how many are Tectonics.......



There are no Tectonic fins used by the top ten PWA slalom sailors which is very surprising this of course doesn't mean that they don't use them.
Antoine Albeau used Deboichet fins to finish on top in both the slalom 42 and Speed Championships.
www.pwaworldtour.com/index.php?id=387






slowboat
WA, 560 posts
18 Nov 2007 3:52PM
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Yeah choco, thats a sponsors list. In the speed events I was at I didnt see a single deboichet in a board (including antoine's). Most popular fin was the F1. Different story in slalom though, but they are racing in well rough conditions.

yoyo
WA, 1646 posts
18 Nov 2007 4:07PM
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There are Deboichets and there are deboichets. A bunch of WA guys payed an arm and a leg for some Deb slalom fins a while back... I got the impression most were disappointed to say the least. I think the Debs that Antoine et al use are either "specials" or at the very least the best of a large bunch of which many were discarded after testing.
Don't forget Antoine used to win on a AHD formula that no-one else could get going.

AUS1111
WA, 3621 posts
18 Nov 2007 4:15PM
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From what I understand, the Goldwing is still the most popular among slalom racers. Certainly that's what Matt Pritchard and Phil McGain still use - never smaller than 30cm.

From my experience the Goldwing is a great performer on beam and close reaching, whereas the Falcon seems to come into it's own on a broad reach, particularly in ugly chop.

choco
SA, 4175 posts
18 Nov 2007 8:39PM
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slowboat said...

Yeah choco, thats a sponsors list. In the speed events I was at I didnt see a single deboichet in a board (including antoine's). Most popular fin was the F1. Different story in slalom though, but they are racing in well rough conditions.


That's very interesting, do they use Tectonic fins in the PWA slalom but don't credit them because of sponsorship deals?

choco
SA, 4175 posts
21 Nov 2007 4:39PM
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Here are the results so far at the French canal:

1-ALBEAU : 46.7nds RECORD DE FRANCE EN WINDSURF (5m RSR, proto 37 Starboard et 24 deboichet upwind)
2-MAYNARD : 46nds (proto pryde 5.2, proto 35 F2 et 22 deboichet upwind)
3-DIETHELM : 44.3 RECORD DU MONDE SUR PLANCHE DE SERIE ( 5.4 north 2006, F2 missile XS et 22 deboichet upwind)
4-BORDES : 44.1nds (5m vapor, proto Tabou 42 et deboichet 21 upwind)
5-GARREL : 42.5nds (5.4 north, missile XS et deboichet 24 upwind)

Slowboat are they using Deboichet fins or is it just their sponsors?,it sucks in a way because it would be great to really know what these guys are using.
It's great that Mal and yourself actually make available the fins that you use to anyone that wants them.

cheers

bobitch
NSW, 48 posts
21 Nov 2007 5:26PM
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choco said...

Here are the results so far at the French canal:

1-ALBEAU : 46.7nds RECORD DE FRANCE EN WINDSURF (5m RSR, proto 37 Starboard et 24 deboichet upwind)
2-MAYNARD : 46nds (proto pryde 5.2, proto 35 F2 et 22 deboichet upwind)
3-DIETHELM : 44.3 RECORD DU MONDE SUR PLANCHE DE SERIE ( 5.4 north 2006, F2 missile XS et 22 deboichet upwind)
4-BORDES : 44.1nds (5m vapor, proto Tabou 42 et deboichet 21 upwind)
5-GARREL : 42.5nds (5.4 north, missile XS et deboichet 24 upwind)

Slowboat are they using Deboichet fins or is it just their sponsors?,it sucks in a way because it would be great to really know what these guys are using.
It's great that Mal and yourself actually make available the fins that you use to anyone that wants them.

cheers


May need to add that these are not from a registration list (which could be bias with sponsorship) but reported by one of Cedric Bordes' friends who was there...
icks.icks.free.fr/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1713&start=0 if you can read french!



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