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Originally posted by kato
Our rule for the Pit Crew is if you sailed your times get posted,even if you sailed backwards all day
I can see why some teams have made that decision, simply to stay competitive against teams which were pretty selective with their sailors. It's a problem I thought might have happened early on, I thought that the teams might change about after the initial period but the rules have since discouraged this. I like the idea of social and serious teams but would love to see this happen sooner (i'd be one of the first to switch over to social).
What would be the advantage of having a "social" vs a "competitive" division?
What difference would it make to the scoring?
Not bagging, just wondering.
Currently it is up to individual on whether they wish to post, if they know they are hurting team they are less likely to post. Also if you have those that just want to go out and have a good sail on wave/b&j gear they can still strap a gps on their arm and post whilst not receiving flak for choosing that gear on that day.
Would not make any difference to scoring aside from maybe introducing a second division.
What advantage does it bring, by stopping accusations such as have been levelled above. The top teams do exactly that, and as I said some have been damn selective in who they have picked to be sailors.
Disadvantage is good sailors that drop down a division can push teams up.
Food for thought anyway.
Will say more have been called away.
We have a review after 2 months. We can ask at end of June what will improve challenge. If most agree having 2 divisions is OK, then go for it.
Hardie & nebs, I think this whole comp thing you guys have set up, is just the ducks nuts, I'd leave it as is 
I have one board, one sail and one other team member, and sail in open water, so it's a challenge just to get a result. But for me, it's good to compare our results with the guns and their gear 
Yes, I'm hearing people like it just as it is!!!!
What about this option, After June 30, Teams have the option to split into A and B teams? Both teams go into July with same points, they accumulated as the one team, but become seperate A team can be for serious, and B team for social. So retain same club membership, but the one club has two teams?
Does this option resolve the early hiccup, which appears to be not so much only the top guys submitting their times and axcluding the slower, guys, but it seems the slower guys are excluding themselves to not disappoint the faster guys?.
Heres a thought...
WHY NOT JUST INCLUDE THE FASTEST 2 TIMES FROM EACH DIVISION in the averaging of each result. For some reason I thought it was already done this way.
There are plenty of cases where the fastest 2 times in each division for a day are not from the same 2 people. So its inclusive- it includes the best 2 results from each division.
Makes it inclusive just by posting for your team, and you never know who got the best results until the data has been posted- especially for distance, 1-hour and alpha racing...
yep i like it just the way it is also, splitting it in to teams with in a team makes no real sense as the idea i believe originally was for this to be a social challenge.....
the serious sailors can still post their times on gpsss and participate in different copmps like the recent 1 hr challenge.
This was just supposed to be a convenient excuse for going sailing with your mates.
If anybody wants to be overly competitive about it then they probably should enter a proper race meet.
As for slower members of the team, 1 in, all in
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Originally posted by elmo
This was just supposed to be a convenient excuse for going sailing with your mates.
If anybody wants to be overly competitive about it then they probably should enter a proper race meet.
As for slower members of the team, 1 in, all in
Im sure someone else brought this up 2 months ago Hardie haha
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Originally posted by slowboat
Heres a thought...
WHY NOT JUST INCLUDE THE FASTEST 2 TIMES FROM EACH DIVISION in the averaging of each result. For some reason I thought it was already done this way.
There are plenty of cases where the fastest 2 times in each division for a day are not from the same 2 people. So its inclusive- it includes the best 2 results from each division.
Makes it inclusive just by posting for your team, and you never know who got the best results until the data has been posted- especially for distance, 1-hour and alpha racing...
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Originally posted by snides8
yep i like it just the way it is also, splitting it in to teams with in a team makes no real sense as the idea i believe originally was for this to be a social challenge.....
the serious sailors can still post their times on gpsss and participate in different copmps like the recent 1 hr challenge.
Competition is good, I'm not worried if the guns are in, where's the line in the sand anyway. Nebs has set the site up really well, it's the first place I go to, easy to see how every one is doing.
The best two results would work to, not necessarily the two best sailers, and still show every ones results no matter what, everyone's happy 
But then my results would always count in my team, good or bad
Whatever we do, we need to encourage people to participate, log their data, so they can see it, and have a history of performance and watch their own PB's. It's also good for others to see how everyone else is doing.
The 2 best performances per team in each seperate category, is a good idea, and it was Vando's recommendation from the beginning. If this in no way deletes the first paragraph's intentions and Ben can make it work somehow, and people agree, that elimnates the need for the divisions idea, or A and B teams.
Others please post your opinions on this.
It's quite easy to do, couple of lines in the code and bingo.
I believe it will make the competition fairer, at the moment there's a little bit of a disadvantage if you have a large team simply because of the averaging factor (information theory... difficult to go into here but large teams are a bit disadvantaged).
I'm all for it, but now that the competition is up and running we need to ask the people who are using it what they are thinking. Perhaps I need to put a voting system on there as well
P.S. Queensland are now in front
Sorry for the double post but I can't edit this one, despite it only being 20 minutes old.
I've started a new thread for this discussion here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28848
