Select to expand quoteDarrylG said..
Has anyone heard how this is going ?
Going, going, gone 
I have no knowledge of the progress of the changes, however I suggest that they are now not necessary given the ready availability of the Motion Logger as a cheap ($160) compliant GPS unit.
Select to expand quoteJohn340 said..
I have no knowledge of the progress of the changes, however I suggest that they are now not necessary given the ready availability of the Motion Logger as a cheap ($160) compliant GPS unit.
That would assume that you knew the reason why people wanted the changes. I am sure a small portion of the people wanting changes would be happy to purchase that device... but I believe the majority just want to use devices they already have in a reduced capacity since they do not care to be competitive at the top of leaderboards.
Select to expand quoteJohn340 said..
I have no knowledge of the progress of the changes, however I suggest that they are now not necessary given the ready availability of the Motion Logger as a cheap ($160) compliant GPS unit.
How readily available are they? Do any shops carry these yet? I have had an order in for a Motion for over 5 months now and still on the waiting list. ( i have not been pushing this as i know they are doing the best they can in these difficult times)
Select to expand quoteDarrylG said..John340 said..
I have no knowledge of the progress of the changes, however I suggest that they are now not necessary given the ready availability of the Motion Logger as a cheap ($160) compliant GPS unit.
How readily available are they? Do any shops carry these yet? I have had an order in for a Motion for over 5 months now and still on the waiting list. ( i have not been pushing this as i know they are doing the best they can in these difficult times)
Shops do not carry these devices. Julien accepts orders direct in minimum batches of 5 units (to save on transport costs). He has an Australian bank account which has made payment easier. I ordered 17 small loggers at the end of August and they were delivered in two batches, one (7 off) in mid September and the last (10 off) in the first week in October. It's evident from the change in unit reference numbers from the first and second batch that Julien has ramped up production of the small loggers. The first batch had unit reference numbers were around 114, whereas the second batch had unit reference numbers around 175. I.E he had made over 60 units in the intervening 3 weeks between batches.
Over 30 small loggers have been supplied to GPS sailors in SE Qld over the last few months.
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the LCD loggers. The manufacture backlog of these units is still very long.
Wow thats interesting you ordered 17 recently and have received them all. We ordered 7 and paid for in Tassie 10 months ago and still haven't got them yet
It's because I'm dumb and broke and I couldn't say no to an order of 16 that came with delivery expectations, to pay my bills. If I was sane, I'd quit.
It's nice to see them in use, it's nice to receive your nice words but I'd lie if I said it isn't a nightmare behind the scenes.
Select to expand quoteJulienLe said..
It's because I'm dumb and broke and I couldn't say no to an order of 16 that came with delivery expectations, to pay my bills. If I was sane, I'd quit.
It's nice to see them in use, it's nice to receive your nice words but I'd lie if I said it isn't a nightmare behind the scenes.
I don't want you to think we are complaining Julien. You are doing the best you can, and supplying a high quality unit. I am happy to wait. We are just trying to see when the changes the gpsteamchallenge announced 12 months ago were going to be implemented. It would open up the challenge to a lot more people as previously discussed
Julien, we love your insanity, and we all benefit HUGELY.
That said, is there any way a bloke in the USA can get one or both?
Select to expand quoteSteve Charles said..
Wow thats interesting you ordered 17 recently and have received them all. We ordered 7 and paid for in Tassie 10 months ago and still haven't got them yet
Yes waiting waiting waiting. Is it because we're at the bottom of the food chain way down here at the bottom of the earth
Just as well my SECOND GW60 hasn't croaked it yet! And the my GT31 is still ticking along, but it would be nice to finally receive my Motion
Dare I say it but my Garmin is there in the background as well
Julien, please publish your australian bank account details.
GPSTC guys, I think Julien is selling his devices underpriced, and both him and the community would benefit from a voluntary donation. Please donate a few beers worth and help to get this project take off at full speed. We know the product is excellent, and would fix our issues with approved devices, let's make it happen !
I agree Giorgio, I'm also happy to help Julien with this project. It would be good if he can disclose the current situation, ie number of units ordered that have been paid for, and not yet fulfilled. It's concerning to read that a later order of 16 units was accepted and delivered ahead of earlier paid orders, but there looks to be issues Julien is trying to manage.
Julien can you share with us how many orders you have still to complete for the simple logger?
And what is current status of the screen motion? Are there many orders paid for still to be delivered? I know there are quite a few who would order one if they get a better feel of timing. All the spare loggers I ordered were sold quickly, I'm sure there's others who will buy them so could make another order if that helps you. Are you waiting for materials/parts? Or is the Europe shutdown affecting production?
thanks
Derryn
Select to expand quoteJohn340 said..
I have no knowledge of the progress of the changes, however I suggest that they are now not necessary given the ready availability of the Motion Logger as a cheap ($160) compliant GPS unit.
The changes to a two-tiered GPSTC was never said to be reliant on an approved device such as the motion etc being readily available - go back and read the thread.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/GPSTC-Device-Poll
It was due to some people just wanting to use what they had and post with it, and were just as happy for it to not count towards a competition and PB's.
To be honest, even though promissed, I don't suspect it will ever happen
Select to expand quoteDavMen said..John340 said..
I have no knowledge of the progress of the changes, however I suggest that they are now not necessary given the ready availability of the Motion Logger as a cheap ($160) compliant GPS unit.
The changes to a two-tiered GPSTC was never said to be reliant on an approved device such as the motion etc being readily available - go back and read the thread.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/GPSTC-Device-Poll
It was due to some people just wanting to use what they had and post with it, and were just as happy for it to not count towards a competition and PB's.
To be honest, even though promissed, I don't suspect it will ever happen
And given the response in this thread... it appears there is still not a readily available approved product anyway.
that's correct, this is the wrong thread , so i am republishing my comments in the motion thread.
Select to expand quotevosadrian said..
And given the response in this thread... it appears there is still not a readily available approved product anyway.
Say the word and there is one for you. 
Select to expand quotesailquik said..vosadrian said..
And given the response in this thread... it appears there is still not a readily available approved product anyway.
Say the word and there is one for you.
Please donate it to someone else who needs it. Seems there are a few here.
I was making no comment on the proposed changes to GPSTC. That is entirely between the proponents of the change and the owners of the website. I was merely suggesting a cost effective alternative to sailors waiting for the changes.
I have corresponded with Julien regarding the availability of the Simple Motion Loggers. He has made and sold nearly 200 units, including nearly a hundred in the last few months. He had a backlog of 20 ordered units to fill. His current manufacturing capacity is 10 units per week.
I suggest that sailors interested in purchasing to contact their team captains and organise a group purchase.
Select to expand quoteJohn340 said..
I was making no comment on the proposed changes to GPSTC. That is entirely between the proponents of the change and the owners of the website. I was merely suggesting a cost effective alternative to sailors waiting for the changes.
I have corresponded with Julien regarding the availability of the Simple Motion Loggers. He has made and sold nearly 200 units, including nearly a hundred in the last few months. He had a backlog of 20 ordered units to fill. His current manufacturing capacity is 10 units per week.
I suggest that sailors interested in purchasing to contact their team captains and organise a group purchase.
thank you John for organizing my Motion
I am extremally happy with it!
Select to expand quotevosadrian said..sailquik said..vosadrian said..
And given the response in this thread... it appears there is still not a readily available approved product anyway.
Say the word and there is one for you.
Please donate it to someone else who needs it. Seems there are a few here.
Too late. Sold.
So this week I had my first sail in some time and I used a Garmin device. I was not quick on any measure and there is no way I would be contributing to team results. Nevertheless, I wanted to keep track of my data for future reference, so I posted to the GPSTC, but I moved the decimal point to reduce speeds by a factor of ten. I posted a 2s of 2.6 knots which I imagine should not bother anybody in terms of effecting results. This morning I got the following email:Select to expand quoteGPSTC said..
Adrian,
Your post from the 27-12-20
gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2020-12-27&team=33
is clearly from a Non approved Garmin watch and thus contravenes the rules of the GPSTC.
You are required to immediatly set all catagories to Zero except the distance. You may of course, post your other results in the comments text if you wish.
Posting some results in the database by moving the decimal point is not accepted.
GPSTC Admin
So somebody has decided that my method is unacceptable. Can anyone explain why my method causes issues for any GPSTC user? I just want to understand the logic in this ruling.
Cheers,
Adrian
I assume it's about the integrity of the data base, and the rules that state which devices are allowed to post to it
Select to expand quote" I wanted to keep track of my data for future reference, "
If you download through KA 72 there is a record of all you sessions in My Data/My Score/Score Details.
Alternatively you could start your own Spread Sheet and record each session for future reference 
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Select to expand quotedecrepit said..
I assume it's about the integrity of the data base, and the rules that state which devices are allowed to post to it
I think it is allowed to put all zeroes and the garmin speeds in the comments, but how would this also protect the integrity of the database?
I was just wondering about the difference between putting numbers so low as to not effect anyone and putting in all 0s? Can anyone explain the difference to the integrity of the database? Also, can anyone explain how any GPSTC user is effected by me posting single digit speeds?
Select to expand quotepowersloshin said.. >>I think it is allowed to put all zeroes and the garmin speeds in the comments, but how would this also protect the integrity of the database?
Correct "0s" are allowed, that enables a post in the comments section, but is treated as a non post by the database.
Adrian from your point of view, what you propose my sound reasonable, but your asking the GTC to change the rules just for you to be able to do as you like.
Rules are always hard, there can nearly always be a case made for the odd exception, but that's a very slippery path to go down. the border between allowed and not allowed becomes fuzzy
Select to expand quotevosadrian said..
I was just wondering about the difference between putting numbers so low as to not effect anyone and putting in all 0s? Can anyone explain the difference to the integrity of the database? Also, can anyone explain how any GPSTC user is effected by me posting single digit speeds?
Do you ever stop complaining? You have had ample time and opportunity to do the right thing and buy an approved device. Time to accept that the GPSTC is not for you and move on with your life.
Select to expand quotevosadrian said..
I was just wondering about the difference between putting numbers so low as to not effect anyone and putting in all 0s? Can anyone explain the difference to the integrity of the database? Also, can anyone explain how any GPSTC user is effected by me posting single digit speeds?
If anyone gives you an inch, you will take a mile [ to reuse a very old quote ].
Select to expand quotedecrepit said..powersloshin said.. >>I think it is allowed to put all zeroes and the garmin speeds in the comments, but how would this also protect the integrity of the database?
Correct "0s" are allowed, that enables a post in the comments section, but is treated as a non post by the database.
There is a field for track/doppler. My fields are set for track and not doppler. If the database wants to filter out "non-posts" just ignore all track data. This would be the case for all Garmin devices and would enable people using those devices to post without corrupting the database.
