Hi guys ,I'm thinking of buying a 9.0 or 9.1 ,i do own a few cam sails ,but my 8.4 , 4 cam is a heavy mother ,
I have a 140 Patrik F race ,which will carry the 9,0 but i have a 7.9 POINT 7 ,ACX which i really enjoy using and the top speed
is fantastic ,i am worried going into the 9,0 ACX that it may become unstable ,and I have been advised to go 2 or 3 cams on that size due to the fact i am 95 kgs , what are your thoughts ,?
thought crossed my mind ..lol.
. but you would be surprised how many guys that sail all year round in WA have big sails over there .
I just love been able to go fast in 13-15 knots .its a little shallow here to foil so a big sail is on the list ..i may even think bigger ,
Tardy, I started off with a new 2017 ncx 9.0 / JP superlightwind after moving from W.A into Qld's fickle SE Tradewinds, I am a shade over 100 kgs.
It was a disappointing sail for what I had intended, the NCX needed to be powered up to show its merit.
Its a great sail in a 7.0 and 20 kts but lacks stability and the low end grunt you'd expect from a 9.
Not to sure what sort of sailor would benefit from large no-cam sails, probably a feather weight on a formula or LT.
So anyway I bought a new 2019 loft sails racing blade 9.0m, ok its heavier and has a large luff pocket but the power it generates left me forgetting about carrying the thing to the water and unhauling it.
Never used an ACX but for me the cam/ no cam argument is a no brainer for bigger sails/fins and wider boards.
+1 for twin cams, like a SVTurbo, Duotone S-Type, or equivalent. If it was marginal wind 10-12 knots inland on big gear perhaps a Gator or E-Type might give you the initial softness and pumpability to get you going quicker, but in my experience they seem to top out more quickly than the twinnies. 80-85kegs...
Yes, I have a 9 mt Koncept, stable and I can plan in 6-10 kts. Even the wing dings can't get going
The acx seem to work best powered up, for light wind I would go a different route, I've got a 9.2 turbo GT lots of low end but gets a handful when the wind picks up. Is also a pain to rig compared to my overdrives.I'm 95kg as well and for the 10x12knots days the 9.2 and ultrasonic is great fun but any more and I'm down to a 8.6overdrive and fox 120 as it's just as quick and more fun.
The Severne overdrive is a great sail, much lighter than their race sails, has a softer feel and is easier to tune.
I got a 9.5 Cheetah (camless), does the trick when I don't want to foil. Way easier to uphaul than the 9.0 4cam HGO when the luff sleeve fills with water. It behaves pretty well overpowered at the max outhaul, as does the 8.0 Cheetah.
If I had a more slalomy board other than the Blast 145 I would consider a cammed sail, but for freeride, nah. I drop my fin kit a lot more than my foil kit because I spend so much more time on IQ. Don't want to fuss with cams for freeride and would rather just enjoy cruising.
I'm ~85kg so I dunno maybe you'll want more high end stability with 10 more kg.
Select to expand quoteJohn340 said..
Get a foil instead. After taking the plunge, my biggest fin sail I use is 7m
a bit shallow where i sail ..but yeah foiling is light wind magic for windsurfing now a days ..
I'm stuck with a fin ,and still trash one or two every year .
Thanks for all the ideas everyone so far .
Tardy, race sails work better with full on slalom boards. If you just want to cruise with some speed in light winds a freerace sail will be your sail.
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I got a 9.5 Cheetah (camless), does the trick when I don't want to foil. Way easier to uphaul than the 9.0 4cam HGO when the luff sleeve fills with water. It behaves pretty well overpowered at the max outhaul, as does the 8.0 Cheetah.
If I had a more slalomy board other than the Blast 145 I would consider a cammed sail, but for freeride, nah. I drop my fin kit a lot more than my foil kit because I spend so much more time on IQ. Don't want to fuss with cams for freeride and would rather just enjoy cruising.
I'm ~85kg so I dunno maybe you'll want more high end stability with 10 more kg.
Why do people think cams are a pain/fuss, in my experience cam sails are easier to get the mast up, take less to to rig and work better
Never understood why people buy sails over 7.5. They're heavy, bulky, take up heaps of space, you need to buy yacht masts & long booms. All awkward highly over rated gibberish, crock of .... & try deep water starting these bastards in light winds- you can't.
Pain in the rear end & your pocket.
Why bother going out unless the wind cranx up to at least 18+ knots.
Save your $'s & wait for higher winds...Simples! 
Select to expand quoteredrabbitz said..
Never understood why people buy sails over 7.5. They're heavy, bulky, take up heaps of space, you need to buy yacht masts & long booms. All awkward highly over rated gibberish, crock of .... & try deep water starting these bastards in light winds- you can't.
Pain in the rear end & your pocket.
Why bother going out unless the wind cranx up to at least 18+ knots.
Save your $'s & wait for higher winds...Simples!
It's cos they like to skim over water in light winds .
Its all relative with big guys .
Im heavy and can cruise over 20 kts in 13 kts. Do 25 in a solid 15 kts with a 9.4 while watching you sit on the beach complaining about big gear.
Select to expand quoteredrabbitz said..
Never understood why people buy sails over 7.5. They're heavy, bulky, take up heaps of space, you need to buy yacht masts & long booms. All awkward highly over rated gibberish, crock of .... & try deep water starting these bastards in light winds- you can't.
Pain in the rear end & your pocket.
Why bother going out unless the wind cranx up to at least 18+ knots.
Save your $'s & wait for higher winds...Simples!
We get months of 5 - 15kts. If I waited for 18kts I'd hardly get out.
And no don't suggest a foil thanks.Im enjoying a fin and get going in 10 - 12kts if it's reasonably consistent.
Select to expand quoteredrabbitz said..
Never understood why people buy sails over 7.5. They're heavy, bulky, take up heaps of space, you need to buy yacht masts & long booms. All awkward highly over rated gibberish, crock of .... & try deep water starting these bastards in light winds- you can't.
Pain in the rear end & your pocket.
Why bother going out unless the wind cranx up to at least 18+ knots.
Save your $'s & wait for higher winds...Simples!
I never give away 9 plus sails,Nothing beats sailing over smooth water in light winds.its just another addition of sailing.beats sitting on the beach feeling sorry for yourself
Select to expand quoteTardy said..John340 said..
Get a foil instead. After taking the plunge, my biggest fin sail I use is 7m
a bit shallow where i sail ..but yeah foiling is light wind magic for windsurfing now a days ..
I'm stuck with a fin ,and still trash one or two every year .
Thanks for all the ideas everyone so far .
What size fin do you use? G10 or carbon? A carbon @ 500 might transform the board in light wind. I use 44&46 on my Patrik SL140
Thought l'd get hammered! 
Used to it!
All relevant to each individual, where they live, how long they've been w/s & the skills level.
Where we live 18-30 knots very common. Go Gippsland Victoria! wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
Been sailing since late 70's, think l know a thing or 2 by now.
As for sitting on the beach gettn' the "SADZ" Forget it! Got better things to do than wastin' time.
(gavnwend & IMAX 1) less than 18knots time to pack it in for the day & head home. Better things to do than arse plant the sand!
Each to their own. All subject to where we live.
Merry Xmas to all.
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And no don't suggest a foil thanks.Im enjoying a fin and get going in 10 - 12kts if it's reasonably consistent.
Sue, you know deep down in side that eventually you will give in and get a foil.
Select to expand quoteBSN101 said..Tardy said..John340 said..
Get a foil instead. After taking the plunge, my biggest fin sail I use is 7m
a bit shallow where i sail ..but yeah foiling is light wind magic for windsurfing now a days ..
I'm stuck with a fin ,and still trash one or two every year .
Thanks for all the ideas everyone so far .
What size fin do you use? G10 or carbon? A carbon @ 500 might transform the board in light wind. I use 44&46 on my Patrik SL140
I use a 44 G10 gun race and a drake 44 carbon ,and a 26 delta .plenty fin ,maybe i should score a 46 ...I just have light air days where the 8,5 is only just enough .
and was thinking wouldn't it be cool to get overpowered in 13-14 knots
Select to expand quoteredrabbitz said..
Thought l'd get hammered!
Used to it!
All relevant to each individual, where they live, how long they've been w/s & the skills level.
Where we live 18-30 knots very common. Go Gippsland Victoria! wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
Been sailing since late 70's, think l know a thing or 2 by now.
As for sitting on the beach gettn' the "SADZ" Forget it! Got better things to do than wastin' time.
(gavnwend & IMAX 1) less than 18knots time to pack it in for the day & head home. Better things to do than arse plant the sand!
Each to their own. All subject to where we live.
Merry Xmas to all.
Hi red rabbit ,if we only had wind here like that more often ,been to maui a couple of times and they would laugh at you if you had a 6,5 even ..also lived in west oz where 5,0 & 6.0 was your main sail ...but light wind sailing can be cool too .and ya just gotta make use of what ya got ..cold air def has more punch than hot ..and merry christmas .
Yes been to Maui, Hawaii, Fiji & West Oz 3 month trip mid 90's. How things have changed since the beginning of the Bushfires in 2019, then Covid not long after. Certainly glad to have had those times & fortunate to enjoy the opportunities.
Try do that today, " Lockdown's, viruses, more viruses & high security protocol", just to buy a cuppa coffee in a Cafe! Q.R. codes, yardi, yardi yarrr....
Who would have ever thought? 
Hey tardy, l know what board & sails you use, why not try different fins they can make a huge difference.a 48 you mention could work, l use that size always on my bigger gear. Goodluck PS lm your size & weight.
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Yes been to Maui, Hawaii, Fiji & West Oz 3 month trip mid 90's. How things have changed since the beginning of the Bushfires in 2019, then Covid not long after. Certainly glad to have had those times & fortunate to enjoy the opportunities.
Try do that today, " Lockdown's, viruses, more viruses & high security protocol", just to buy a cuppa coffee in a Cafe! Q.R. codes, yardi, yardi yarrr....
Who would have ever thought?
yeah it sux ...i had a ball at plantation island fiji ..
let hope we get to do it again .
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Hey tardy, l know what board & sails you use, why not try different fins they can make a huge difference.a 48 you mention could work, l use that size always on my bigger gear. Goodluck PS lm your size & weight.
cheers Gav ...I can get hold of a carbon 46 ..
but I am pretty sure ..its jus lack of wind ..
and I'm getting more wind greedy ...I have been rigging a lot bigger now that I'm thinking I'm a GPS wanna be .back in 2004 Use to own a 9,6 north warp .now rotten ...was one heavy mother ..but seemed to plane in nothing ,really hard to find sails at the mo ,so thinking of ordering something .
Select to expand quotegavnwend said..
Hey tardy, l know what board & sails you use, why not try different fins they can make a huge difference.a 48 you mention could work, l use that size always on my bigger gear. Goodluck PS lm your size & weight.
I'd look into a good Carbon fin. I went from a Tribal custom 52 G10 to a Lockwood SL2 44 and it blew me away how much better it was and 8cm shorter. I'm now on this & a 46 on my Patrik SL140 board. Sails up to 7.7 as I foil in lighter wind.
For flat water I'd buy a cammed sail for every sail 6.5m+ as they are more efficient for blasting around on, especially in gusty winds. I use Ezzy Lion so they are still user friendly but dont give the same amount of top end as a proper 3 cam freerace sail. A local here usually uses 1.5m larger sails than I do as he is very heavy and he has stuck with the no cam Cheetah (9.5m max). My largest is 8.5m.
^^^ Totally agree - but
cam sails are less powerful for size. So for a wavesailor / B&J'er who wants just one big sail (likeme 4.0 to 6 in wave gear, and a 7m just for the FSW on **** days) getting a cammed sail is no good, needs too much wind.
The Gator is a godsend as it feels like a wavesail and a 7m Gator does pull at bottom end "about 1m more " then a 6m sail. If I got a 7M cam sail I would not get going. (Took too many years to figure this out)
So your advice s correct but not for all people
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^^^ Totally agree - but
cam sails are less powerful for size. So for a wavesailor / B&J'er who wants just one big sail (likeme 4.0 to 6 in wave gear, and a 7m just for the FSW on **** days) getting a cammed sail is no good, needs too much wind.
The Gator is a godsend as it feels like a wavesail and a 7m Gator does pull at bottom end "about 1m more " then a 6m sail. If I got a 7M cam sail I would not get going. (Took too many years to figure this out)
So your advice s correct but not for all people
So what would you buy for a Patrik 140l Freerace in 13-15 knots wind flat water if you were 95kg?
I (80kg) use an Ezzy Lion 8.5m 2 cam and another sailor here (95kg+) uses a 9.5m Cheetah no cam. Both work. The Cheetah has a good low end and is still stable flat out with a heavyweight on it. Personal preference for me is 2 cam.
