Select to expand quoteGestalt said..PhilUK said..Gestalt said..PhilUK said..Gestalt said..PhilUK said..
Freestyle sails great for freeriding? Tight leech, flat profile, 4 battens. Guess it depends on your definition of freeriding.
I don't think you've ever used a freestyle sail because your description is off the mark.
I haven't used one for years as the weren't suitable for my view of what freeriding is, blasting along fuss free. But when that's all the hire centre had left, no choice.
What the Surf mag test said "The four battens are very flat, and there is no visible profile on land. The Yeah also shows its freestyle genes in the leech - loose leech is not intended in this concept."
They may fill out then go flat in manoeuvres but that's a bit on/off in gusts rather than keep its shape through lulls.
Lol, it doesn't say that at all. you have purposefully cherry picked the article and chopped sentences in half because surprise surprise it doesn't agree with your earlier post.
the article is titled "NOT ONLY INTERESTING FOR TRICKSTERS" which is a direct reference to free riding.
maybe your experience was less than ideal because you tried to rig the sail like a slalom sail.
It actually does say that, I copied the relevant parts of what was written on the Yeah sail details on the Gun website to what I wrote. I didn't copy the non relevant stuff to what I wrote.
The rest is about its freestyle usage, which seems good, if you use the correct rdm mast.
JN1 posted what Gun themselves recommend it for with that diagram.
Or rtfm yourself gunsails.com/en/yeah-2025
But as I said, it depends on what your idea of freeriding is.
I didn't rig it like a slalom sail either, ready rigged.
here is what it actually says and is referencing freestyle sails generally.
"The profiles of freestyle sails are also very special: on land, the sails are usually very flat. It is only when the sails are close-hauled and under wind pressure that they develop a distinctive profile, which in many cases ensures that freestyle sails are ultimately really good gliders. However, the prerequisite is that you have the appropriate riding ability and can "feel" the necessary angle of attack of the sails to the wind. This means that if you are just learning to planing and are naturally more passive on deck, you will start planing earlier with a freemove or powerwave sail. However, with an active sailing style and a good feel for the sails, you can tease out a lot of planing performance from freestyle sails."
it goes on to say this specifically about the yeah.
"The dampened profile creates a deep belly and practically loads up - this ensures early planing"
"If the wind increases, you can definitely pull the sail flatter via the boom to keep the draft stable"
the diagram is nothing more than marketing. if you look at the gun sails wave sail diagram they don't even have freeride on the page. that's ludicrous as thousands of people use wave sails for freeride. myself included.
so they are not flat, unstable or twitchy. that's something you read online by someone who had no idea.
That's the full mag test, not the snippet on the Gun website.
It says you need ability and active technique to get planing. If you haven't you will be better off with freemove or power wave. So for someone who isn't after speed or planing all the time I wouldn't buy fs. But, better that than another specialised sail like slalom.
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You can use a freestyle sail for freeriding, similar to how you can use a slalom sail for wave riding. Neither is great and the latter probably asking for trouble.
Slalom board and a no-cam "slalom" sail in some small waves at the end of the clip. Would have wanted the waves to be bigger, was definitely a fun day, should try these strange combos more often : )
Select to expand quoteTaavi said..
Slalom board and a no-cam "slalom" sail in some small waves at the end of the clip. Would have wanted the waves to be bigger, was definitely a fun day, should try these strange combos more often : )
Haha nice, until you get pounded and find out that those battens break instantly.
Select to expand quoteFrancone said..Manuel7 said..
Post a photo!
here they are
with maximum winch d/haul. Outhaul 164 cm. 10 cm short of recommended boom extension ( 174 cm)
Leave it to this forum to get off in all possible directions, now everybody is discussing freestyle sails. But for your original question, if you have not heard it loud and clear already:
YOU HAVE THE WRONG MAST. YOU NEED A 430 RDM.
Look at your photo: the SDM can barely fit in the sail and it seems to have any significant curve.
Aah comon let us in have a nice chat here! 
The TS question had already been answered in post 3 so hopefully they're off buying the right mast or returning the sail to get a freeride one instead 
The next fun conversation will be when the op posts photos with the new mast and the brains trust tell him to put on more downhaul.
At least Gun Sails use a constant curve so he's got a chance of getting one which works.
Sail range goes from one extreme; race, to free race, free ride, wave to the other; freestyle. You can choose to sail with what you want, it's just that for free riding, a freestyle sail is the least appropriate. It may have some "shape", "belly", but it has a tight leech to "hold in" this power, free riding ideally uses a larger sail and has a loose leech.
I think we all agree that if you need a winch to sleeve the mast.. Not apply downhaul, just stick the mast in, it really does not matter what discipline one is undertaking, it's just not gonna work
I wonder if you reverse the winch to remove the mast later.?
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
I think we all agree that if you need a winch to sleeve the mast.. Not apply downhaul, just stick the mast in, it really does not matter what discipline one is undertaking, it's just not gonna work
I wonder if you reverse the winch to remove the mast later.?
Good luck if it's a 2 piece mast lol
I'll try not to be judgmental, but one glance at the description of the 2023 Yeah (assuming that's the deal you got) on their website could have spared you a lot of trouble:
KEY FACTS:
> Ultra light (4.8 sqm only 2,97 kg)
> Minimal loose leech and absolutely balanced profile for lightning fast rotations
> High reactivity
> New batten shape for more maneuver control
> Kevlar lines for durable and consistent performance
> RDM compatible only
Goood luck to you, I hope you'll get the mast out with the sail intact.
Select to expand quoteZeeGerman said..
Goood luck to you, I hope you'll get the mast out with the sail intact.
That's what I was thinking, forcing a wedge up a luff pocket has to strain the stitching.
Was rigging an old sail last night (racing longboards) with what looks like a similar vintage mast (circa 2000) as OP. Thought of him and this thread. Getting those old masts up the sleeve of sails meant for them was enough of a task. I can't imagine the sleeve of an rdm sail.
Select to expand quoteFrancone said..Subsonic said..Gestalt said..PhilUK said..Gestalt said..PhilUK said..
Freestyle sails great for freeriding? Tight leech, flat profile, 4 battens. Guess it depends on your definition of freeriding.
I don't think you've ever used a freestyle sail because your description is off the mark.
I haven't used one for years as the weren't suitable for my view of what freeriding is, blasting along fuss free. But when that's all the hire centre had left, no choice.
What the Surf mag test said "The four battens are very flat, and there is no visible profile on land. The Yeah also shows its freestyle genes in the leech - loose leech is not intended in this concept."
They may fill out then go flat in manoeuvres but that's a bit on/off in gusts rather than keep its shape through lulls.
Lol, it doesn't say that at all. you have purposefully cherry picked the article and chopped sentences in half because surprise surprise it doesn't agree with your earlier post.
the article is titled "NOT ONLY INTERESTING FOR TRICKSTERS" which is a direct reference to free riding.
maybe your experience was less than ideal because you tried to rig the sail like a slalom sail.
Actually, I think he's right.
freestyle sails are made to deliver short and sharp bursts of power. Great when you are flicking the board around in a freestyle manoeuvre or swinging around on a wave face, but absolutely terrible if you want to mow the lawn, or go chop hopping. Twitchy as a sail comes, and they generally do have that flat profile and tight leech as described. What on earth makes you think they're gonna be good for free riding, I don't know.
Not saying they can't be used across different disciplines, foiling and wave sailing, sure. but free riding, hell no. they're not at all designed for that.
Freestyle vs Freeriding sails.
Lucrative hyper -tech and sometimes underhand marketing savvy have created unnecessary, sometimes false, distinctions and polarizations. Sadly In the end, they may have contributed to the near- demise of windsurfing these days.
Yes, freestyling may be attractive for some and call for differently designed sails, but , c'me on , a sail is a sail and wind is what it is.
I fail to see why a freestyle sail should be "terrible( !)" for freeriding, especially for somebody like me, who is not speed and adrenaline-driven, but all he wants is to be able to glide on the water in light winds, not necessarily planing .
For this reason, I see no reasons why a freestyle sail should be " terrible" compared " to a "by the-the-book", dedicated freeride sail.
In the end, much of what we like or dislike as windsurfers depends more on our subjective expectationsand style than on the equipment itself.
I'm ready to be proven wrong, but I'd love to know the specific reasons why some find freestyle sails terrible for freeriding.
For the moment, I do believe that, as pointed out by some , my immediate problem, is the incompatilbiity of my sail, which happens to be a free-style, with my SDM mast . I'll try a RDM and let you know.
Thanks
Francone
Freeriding on freestyle kit 
Not really as he's throwing freestyle moves. Anyone that is able to sail on a freestyle board is a good sailor though as it's not fun in a straight line as you can't push the fin.
If you would give the board and sail combo used in the video to a freerider, I think 9 out of 10 would hate it (not because it's bad gear but because it works so different to a freeride set)
I'd like to get to Vassiliki one day although at my weight , I usually don't like 30kt winds.
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Not really as he's throwing freestyle moves. Anyone that is able to sail on a freestyle board is a good sailor though as it's not fun in a straight line as you can't push the fin.
If you would give the board and sail combo used in the video to a freerider, I think 9 out of 10 would hate it (not because it's bad gear but because it works so different to a freeride set)
What I love about your post is that it encourages used freestyle kit to have no value making it cheaper to pick up used kit. FWIW freestyle kit gets used for free riding in the spots I sail. Some people using wave sails on them.
Haha, just sharing from my experience. A freestyle board with fin like in the video is not easy to ride, certainly not when you are used to a freeride board.
Happy to be challenged on that but I think a freestyle board has only a place for that style of riding and maybe a bit of wave stuff but not blasting. Doesn't mean that with a different fin you can't change its behaviour but the fat tail is still not that great and you can't fit a double back strap.
